On 26/09/2017 08:11, Thomas de Groot wrote:

>>
>>
> ...and to support my case: I have been doing some little sculpture in 
> between.
> 

I'm seeing Giacometti, here. :-)

http://www.dailyartfixx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Walking-Man-Alberto-Giacometti.jpg





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On 26/09/2017 00:04, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 24/09/2017 07:52, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> Gentlemen, you make it almost compulsory for me to try and use

>>>
>>
>> Time however does not get any longer. ;-)
> 
> Au contraire.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
> 
> So, the faster Thomas works, the slower time will pass....  ;)
> 
> 
> 

But for us it will seem to take forever.

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On 26-9-2017 9:40, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/09/2017 00:04, Bald Eagle wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> On 24/09/2017 07:52, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> Gentlemen, you make it almost compulsory for me to try and use

>>>>
>>>
>>> Time however does not get any longer. ;-)
>>
>> Au contraire.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
>>

>>
>>
>>
> 
> But for us it will seem to take forever.
> 

That is more to the point indeed.

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On 26-9-2017 9:38, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/09/2017 08:11, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
>>>
>>>
>> ...and to support my case: I have been doing some little sculpture in 
>> between.
>>
> 
> I'm seeing Giacometti, here. :-)
> 
>
http://www.dailyartfixx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Walking-Man-Alberto-Giacometti.jpg

> 

His cousin.

While testing some features in Silo, I started with a low poly bust 
provided by them and got this. I think I shall add a few little things 
and hone the textures.

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> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
> I've had sporadic success with the "put the HDD in the freezer" technique.
> In theory, you should only need to get the drive working reliably _once_ for as
> long as you need to transfer the files to a shiny new drive(s).

Hmm, sounds a bit like 'Monty Python' science. Do I cast the Runes while doing
so, to see if the auspices are good? (Kidding, kidding. Sorry, I couldn't resist
;-P

I guess that's basically for a drive that's overheating(?) The trouble with mine
is that it no longer even starts or comes on electrically. I *think* the problem
stems from the fact that I dropped it onto a (rug-covered) floor, from a 3-foot
height off my desk. Dumb. But I didn't think such a minor(??) shock would affect
it so badly. A hard lesson learned.
>
> Following that logic, I'm sure that all of us here at news.povray.org would very
> much appreciate HD video of you transferring files from your drive while it's
> submerged in a Dewar filled with liquid nitrogen, argon, or helium.

I've already ordered the helium. Now I just need to build the Dewar...and the
pumps...

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"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> Hmm, sounds a bit like 'Monty Python' science. Do I cast the Runes while doing
> so, to see if the auspices are good?

It's likely the hard drives are Made In China (TM), so you need to use the I
Ching.

> I guess that's basically for a drive that's overheating(?)

No. I'm not sure _exactly_ why, but empirically it seems to work > 0% of the
time for people that Santa has on his Nice list.
I hate speculate, but, oh, well, if you insist...

I think it has something to do with the metal contracting in the cold, and
freeing up parts that are binding (bearings) or touching when they're not
supposed to be (platters & read/write heads}


> The trouble with mine
> is that it no longer even starts or comes on electrically. I *think* the problem
> stems from the fact that I dropped it onto a (rug-covered) floor, from a 3-foot
> height off my desk. Dumb. But I didn't think such a minor(??) shock would affect
> it so badly. A hard lesson learned.

Hmm.  I take _everything_ apart, and I'd say that 90% of the time it's bad
contacts.  In technical terms, "It's a loose wire", or with motors, it's usually
a filthy commutator and soot-caked graphite brushes.
This is different than having a brush with a filthy communist.
You can get head lice from that.
That's a pattern of proximity you don't want to repeat (or initialize).
[just to stay on-topic  ;) ]

So I'd say disconnect any ribbon cables or connectors, and re-seat them,
possibly after wiping or rinsing with electrical cleaner, isopropyl alcohol, or
just a dry paper towel or cotton swab.


> I've already ordered the helium.

Excellent!   The boil-off ought to spectacularly enhance your girlish squeals of
delight when my ingenious plan comes to fruition!

> Now I just need to build the Dewar

"Large Thermos bottle" / styrofoam cooler

....and the
> pumps...

I'm not sure where you're going with that, but it sounds NSFW....


:P

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"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

> I think it has something to do with the metal contracting in the cold, and
> freeing up parts that are binding (bearings) or touching when they're not
> supposed to be (platters & read/write heads}

I guess it depends on the vintage.
Yours is likely Digitalais nouveau...

(That's different than digitalis, which is a cardiotoxic glycoside from the
heart-stoppingly beautiful foxglove.)

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3035017/storage/that-old-freezer-trick-to-save-a-hard-drive-doesnt-work-anymore.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=hard+drive+in+freezer&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS633US634&oq=hard+drive+in+freezer&aqs=chrome.0.0l
6.3498j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


I actually have 2 old IDE Western Digital HDD's that I need to see if I can
transfer the data from one to the other (or any other drive)
One looks good, and the other is slightly corroded...
I'd explain why, but it's a long and terrifying story - because reality is
SOOOOO much stranger than fiction.

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On 26/09/2017 20:11, Bald Eagle wrote:
> "Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> 
>> I think it has something to do with the metal contracting in the cold, and
>> freeing up parts that are binding (bearings) or touching when they're not
>> supposed to be (platters & read/write heads}
> 
> I guess it depends on the vintage.
> Yours is likely Digitalais nouveau...
> 
> (That's different than digitalis, which is a cardiotoxic glycoside from the
> heart-stoppingly beautiful foxglove.)
> 

You're pushing your metaphors. ;)

>
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3035017/storage/that-old-freezer-trick-to-save-a-hard-drive-doesnt-work-anymore.html
> 
>
https://www.google.com/search?q=hard+drive+in+freezer&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS633US634&oq=hard+drive+in+freezer&aqs=chrome.0.0l
> 6.3498j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
> 
> 

I was going to mention the freezing the HDD. But the above put me off.
You're other advice about cleaning contacts, is spot on. :)
I used to use an old fashioned eraser if no one was looking.


> I actually have 2 old IDE Western Digital HDD's that I need to see if I can
> transfer the data from one to the other (or any other drive)
> One looks good, and the other is slightly corroded...
> I'd explain why, but it's a long and terrifying story - because reality is
> SOOOOO much stranger than fiction.
> 

Yes, that's an acceptable reason not to say. :)
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     Stephen

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On 26/09/2017 20:36, Stephen wrote:

> You're other 

Sorry. :(


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Am 26.09.2017 um 21:01 schrieb Bald Eagle:

> Hmm.  I take _everything_ apart, and I'd say that 90% of the time it's bad
> contacts.  In technical terms, "It's a loose wire", or with motors, it's usually
> a filthy commutator and soot-caked graphite brushes.
> This is different than having a brush with a filthy communist.
> You can get head lice from that.
> That's a pattern of proximity you don't want to repeat (or initialize).
> [just to stay on-topic  ;) ]
...
>> I've already ordered the helium.
> 
> Excellent!   The boil-off ought to spectacularly enhance your girlish squeals of
> delight when my ingenious plan comes to fruition!

How about liquid nitrous oxide as an alternative? Sounds like you have
some experience with that ;)

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