Thanks to all the assisting POV-Ray users who answered my previous
questions and gave me truly good advises! Without you all, each of you,
I could not have reached with this project where I am now.

See here the first images of the Seneca space ark "Mankind" (where
SENECA is a ship type). I decided, after so many years, after the
tragical loss of all my POV-Ray scene files of the previous SENECA I and
other projects, to rebuild this ship. Much is still missing, but the
shape reminds already for the first SENECA (that can be searched for
here in this sub forum). The two giant side hangars are still missing,
the midship hull is at this moment just a place holder, but the command
area is almost completed. The smallest details on the ship are as small
as 5 cm! At this time, there are over 70,000 elements in this scene
(many of them inside the hull, like decks, rooms, and such).

CONTEST

These space arks bring human settlers to new worlds. I am intending to
create a series of space arks, and need your help: design symbols for
the sides of the ships. The "Humans" shows two future human settlers and
the Earth and the terraformed Moon, Mars and Venus. Other ships will
have names like "Life", "Nature", "Fauna", "Flora", "Ocean", "Air",
"Soil", "Harmony", "Promise", "Peace", and so on. You are invited, to
join the artwork competition with your graphical visions of these ship
names. An example: for "Flora" or "Nature" I could imagine the stylized
picture of a mighty, old and very large gnarly tree. Feel free to post
here your graphical translations of these terms. The originals must be
maximum 17,500 pixels tall and maximum 6,500 pixels wide (in order to
fit). Please make sure, the items you create are looking stylized and
somehow impressive. A cartoonish design with black edges (as seen on my
human settlers) is required, too.

If you want, you can even offer a new version of my human settlers: I
imagine the real humans in the distant future as around 2,80m tall and
of a very thin shape. Women will still have curvy body parts (front and
back) despite of the elongated, thin extremities. I also imagine a
higher forehead, and skins of all colors (genetically modified). While
men lost all hair, the women manage to keep some hair on their heads,
maybe artificial, not sure. Their natural skin color might be a pleasant
outdoor tan of brown, or a very light complexion. The races will have
merged more than today, and the faces will reflect that. Forgive me my
imaginations. And let's start the competition!

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Am 15.12.2015 um 09:12 schrieb Sven Littkowski:

> CONTEST

Will the winners receive any reward? Or at least be credited in the
resulting images?

Because as it has been presented so far, this smells a bit like a poorly
disguised attempt by a certain The Jamaica Focus MediaStream Corporation
-- which otherwise seems to put great emphasis on the concept of
intellectual property -- to recruit some freelance artists for zero payment.

(Don't shoot the messenger; I'm just saying how this may come across to
some.)

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Hi, thanks for the response.

No, I am great in graphics, too. As everyone can see with the two human
settlers on the side of my ship. But sometimes I just like an input from
different minds, as their results differ from my own ones. And it is
clearly for the ship type seen in the attachment.

But I didn't think of any reward, to be honest. I hoped, people would
just enjoy seeing their works on the sides of my ships. But I would not
have any problem to give credits to the artists. And I am also stating,
that the images of any artist are just just and solely for these space
ships and for no other purpose.   :-)

In fact, if no one is interested to participate, I self will create all
these artworks and publish them here in this thread on my ship(s). But
lets hope for some other inspired artists.

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I do not want to sound cynical but I doubt there are many artists who 
accept to create something only to be simply part of somebody else's 
work. Most will be reluctant to do so if I am not mistaken. A creation 
process is very individualistic with a strong proprietary sense. Maybe 
in advertisements work (for instance) that may not be so, but in that 
case you are paid for your work. Just my two cents of course.


-- 
Thomas

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Sven Littkowski wrote on 15/12/2015 9.12:
> Thanks to all the assisting POV-Ray users who answered my previous
> questions and gave me truly good advises! Without you all, each of you,
> I could not have reached with this project where I am now.
>

Very detailed ships!
I like especially the first one, and the stars too.
;-)
Paolo

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In article <56706c41$1@news.povray.org>, ano### [at] anonymousorg says...
> Because as it has been presented so far, this smells a bit like a 
poorly
> disguised attempt by a certain The Jamaica Focus MediaStream Corporation
> -- which otherwise seems to put great emphasis on the concept of
> intellectual property -- to recruit some freelance artists for zero payment.

I am confused by the web site.  On the one hand, it is soliciting for 
work/web hosting. Ok. On the other hand, click here to donate money to 
the company. Um, what?

I gave up before I ran across any IP references.

dik

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> I do not want to sound cynical but I doubt there are many artists who
> accept to create something only to be simply part of somebody else's
> work. Most will be reluctant to do so if I am not mistaken. A creation
> process is very individualistic with a strong proprietary sense. Maybe
> in advertisements work (for instance) that may not be so, but in that
> case you are paid for your work. Just my two cents of course.
>
>
> --
> Thomas

My thoughts exactly.

Personally, all my time, energy, efforts and interests are already "reserved"
for my own project(s) only. I'm having my very own visions, plans, goals and
ways of doing things and all, thus it'd feel extremely weird and wrong to have
any of that stuff included in someone elses work.

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On 25-12-2015 16:08, Pekka Aho wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> I do not want to sound cynical but I doubt there are many artists who
>> accept to create something only to be simply part of somebody else's
>> work. Most will be reluctant to do so if I am not mistaken. A creation
>> process is very individualistic with a strong proprietary sense. Maybe
>> in advertisements work (for instance) that may not be so, but in that
>> case you are paid for your work. Just my two cents of course.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> My thoughts exactly.
>
> Personally, all my time, energy, efforts and interests are already "reserved"
> for my own project(s) only. I'm having my very own visions, plans, goals and
> ways of doing things and all, thus it'd feel extremely weird and wrong to have
> any of that stuff included in someone elses work.
>

Well, that is something very true to consider indeed. I totally agree.

-- 
Thomas

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Hmmm.....
The same concepts exists all over the world, and many of us accept free
cooperations actually. Let me give you examples:

OPEN OFFICE
Many software developers are working together to produce Open Office.
Yes, Oracle is the company behind. And still, people work together. For
free (yes, I know, it's a sin in your eyes).

FACEBOOK
Everyone who uses Facebook agrees to give personal data to the marketing
and advertizing companies behind, FB earns a fortune by that. Still,
many persons support that money-earning concept from FB by using it and
submitting therefore their data. For my part, I do not intend to earn
money from my spaceship. In fact, based on an earlier discussion with
one of the active members here, I got the intention to offer my
spaceship, when it is finish, to the POV-Ray team as free include for
all other users. For my own part, I am not someone who's just always
greedy for money. I have some other values I am believing in and this
will show when I offer my ship as includable scene file to the POV-Ray team.

POV-RAY
If I'm not entirely wrong, it might be, that the one or other person who
develops POV-Ray does it also without charging money. Still, POV-Ray is
also a legal body, a type of company (though anachronistically and
anarchical  non-commercial like me).

POV-RAY
There is also the object database, where users upload (without
charging?!?) their creations in order to make them available to all
others. This was the intended destiny for my ship, if the POV-Ray team
would reject my offer to have it included as includable scene file
through the editor menu. Strange, that so many people are sinning by
giving their input for free...

SPORE
You even have to purchase that game, in order to be fully able to create
your own creations and upload them for everyone's availability. It is a
very commercial company behind. Still, millions do this.

WINAMP
This music player, developed by a commercial company, lives from its
amazing visual plugins that display the most amazing visual patterns in
the rhythm of the music it plays. These plugins are developed by private
persons, and help that commercial company to distribute their products
(not only WinAmp as the basic version is free, like POV-Ray).

ME
My initial idea was, to populate a virtual universe with the amazing
creations of others and me (search for my other postings, months and
years ago). But this is not a commercial project, thus it must not be
supported. I understand that, I see the larger pattern.

Many other big and very commercial companies invite regular people to do
things for them, and they do. I don't really like that idea, as this is
in my eyes exploitation. But I am a private person, I am acting as
private person, and what I do with POV-Ray, is my private fun and hobby.
I am waiting for the first person to come forward and trying to tell me,
that I am intending to use my ship in some company-based commercial way.

I understand, that in a world driven by money, gold, glitter and other
false (or destructive) values, it is not easy to find open minds who
would participate in a project just for the sake of fun. Most people, I
agree as this is what I am observing since many years, want money. Maybe
it is my big fault, that I just cannot believe in money alone. But I
respect, of course, the decisions of each of you here. Well, no problem,
I won't ask ever again for interested people to join. I will use just my
own creations for the virtual space world I am creating.

---

I herewith pull down my call for the contest, and consider this thread
as closed. I also promise, that I won't ever again ask for others to
join for a larger, common project. No need to answer this thread again,
as I understood and won't open this thread again for reading. Mankind's
attitude is causing to much frustration and limitations.

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On 12/26/2015 11:32 AM, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> Hmmm.....

>

Hmm! indeed.
You might have gotten better support for your ideas if you hadn't asked 
for help in the past. Allowed other users to spend hours of their time 
to donate models only to never to hear from you again except to start 
over with the same thing and on top of that to demand more bespoke 
customiseations your your use.


-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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