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Am 06.10.2014 22:02, schrieb Tim Cook:
> Further progress on my mermaid mesh, dubbed off a copy and rearranged it
> some to be posed to show what it could end up being able to do.
Desktopped!
Say, could you perhaps do me a favor and - for the sake of perfecting
the perfect - do a wider (1920x1200) render of this scene, with
dithering enabled (+th)?
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On 10/06/2014 04:02 PM, Tim Cook wrote:
> Further progress on my mermaid mesh, dubbed off a copy and rearranged it
> some to be posed to show what it could end up being able to do.
>
> --
> Tim Cook
> http://empyrean.sjcook.com
Ah! You're headed in a very nice direction - I like this.
Bill P.
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On 2014-10-06 17:53, andrel wrote:
> My problem with the current placing is that as far as I know there is no
> muscle there that could move the fin. Somewhat higher up one might use a
> modified abdominal muscle.
> I think if you make a vertebrate it should conform to the body plan of
> vertebrates or at least be physiological plausible. That is why I am a
> fan of Terryl Whitlatch (and not only because of the extra 'l' at the
> end of her first name).
Structure of this mermaid is directly based on my own dolphin-tailed
mermaid designs (which are more analogous to a centaur, having a two
sets of forelimbs and an extended spine). The placement of the
nearly-vestigal dorsal fin corresponds roughly to that of a dolphin,
while the 'pectoral fins' are morphologically analogous to replacing the
legs of a human at the acetabulum of the pelvis with a dolphin's forelimbs.
references:
http://empyrean.deviantart.com/art/Mermaid-skeleton-105128891
http://empyrean.deviantart.com/art/Mermaid-musculature-136764629
http://empyrean.deviantart.com/art/Mermaid-anatomy-455530950
I had moved the 'pectoral fins' upwards from these drawings so they'd be
a little better-balanced, visually (would work by rotating the 'femur'
upwards, keeping its joints intact, just shifting where the limb exits
the thigh), and made other minor changes as I went, but am trying to
keep to my musculature layout.
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On 2014-10-06 18:21, clipka wrote:
> Say, could you perhaps do me a favor and - for the sake of perfecting
> the perfect - do a wider (1920x1200) render of this scene, with
> dithering enabled (+th)?
Alas, I was fiddling around with lighting and media and so couldn't make
a widescreen render of the previous image, I'm afraid you'll have to
settle for this one (I found a better image for the background, also).
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.sjcook.com
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On 7-10-2014 4:30, Tim Cook wrote:
> On 2014-10-06 17:53, andrel wrote:
>> My problem with the current placing is that as far as I know there is no
>> muscle there that could move the fin. Somewhat higher up one might use a
>> modified abdominal muscle.
>> I think if you make a vertebrate it should conform to the body plan of
>> vertebrates or at least be physiological plausible. That is why I am a
>> fan of Terryl Whitlatch (and not only because of the extra 'l' at the
>> end of her first name).
>
> Structure of this mermaid is directly based on my own dolphin-tailed
> mermaid designs (which are more analogous to a centaur, having a two
> sets of forelimbs and an extended spine). The placement of the
> nearly-vestigal dorsal fin corresponds roughly to that of a dolphin,
> while the 'pectoral fins' are morphologically analogous to replacing the
> legs of a human at the acetabulum of the pelvis with a dolphin's forelimbs.
>
> references:
> http://empyrean.deviantart.com/art/Mermaid-skeleton-105128891
> http://empyrean.deviantart.com/art/Mermaid-musculature-136764629
> http://empyrean.deviantart.com/art/Mermaid-anatomy-455530950
We do have a few mermaid skeletons in the Vrolik museum.
some are described her, but there may be better sources.
http://thechirurgeonsapprentice.com/2014/09/09/disturbing-disorders-sirenomelia-mermaid-syndrome/
The artist here took a different approach.
> I had moved the 'pectoral fins' upwards from these drawings so they'd be
> a little better-balanced, visually (would work by rotating the 'femur'
> upwards, keeping its joints intact, just shifting where the limb exits
> the thigh), and made other minor changes as I went, but am trying to
> keep to my musculature layout.
Of course you are free to create your own creature but this would not
work anatomically. I you want to have fins that are homologous to the
legs they have to be below the pelvis, otherwise the hip joint won't
work. Nor do I see a reason why they would not work if placed lower.
Hence evolutionary it would also not make sense. IMHO
--
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.
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Am 07.10.2014 08:22, schrieb Tim Cook:
> On 2014-10-06 18:21, clipka wrote:
>> Say, could you perhaps do me a favor and - for the sake of perfecting
>> the perfect - do a wider (1920x1200) render of this scene, with
>> dithering enabled (+th)?
>
> Alas, I was fiddling around with lighting and media and so couldn't make
> a widescreen render of the previous image, I'm afraid you'll have to
> settle for this one (I found a better image for the background, also).
Alas indeed! For when it comes to desktop background, I do prefer the
simpler previous version.
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Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> On 2014-10-06 17:53, andrel wrote:
> > My problem with the current placing is that as far as I know there is no
> > muscle there that could move the fin. Somewhat higher up one might use a
> > modified abdominal muscle.
> > I think if you make a vertebrate it should conform to the body plan of
> > vertebrates or at least be physiological plausible. That is why I am a
> > fan of Terryl Whitlatch (and not only because of the extra 'l' at the
> > end of her first name).
>> The tail indicates that this is definitely not a fish, but a landanimal
readapted to the seas.
Going with the "vestigial dorsal fin" - maybe a modified coccyx, that looks a
bit better in my head - if the plan isn't to use spined vertebrae as a support
for the fin-skin (tm), then maybe just slightly extend the taper of the fin up
the back a bit?
Obviously Tim has his vision for what she is, and I'm no expert in
mer-physiology.
> I had moved the 'pectoral fins' upwards from these drawings so they'd be
> a little better-balanced, visually (would work by rotating the 'femur'
> upwards, keeping its joints intact, just shifting where the limb exits
> the thigh), and made other minor changes as I went, but am trying to
> keep to my musculature layout.
I must confess that I don't quite get what that explanation means - but that's
ok.
IIRC, horses have a way to lock their knees when they sleep - maybe the same
musculature would tie into the leg-fins.
Along the lines of her being an adapted land animal, perhaps it could be
interesting to add a bit more of a suggestive element to show the modified
skeletal structure. Femurs tapering into long, thin tibias, and the foot bones
composing the tail-fin like the fingers bones compose the wings of a bat, with
the tail being the webbing.
Add a flatness or convexity between the femurs to hint at the origin from two
separate legs, or backlight and add some translucency to the flesh.
>> Another mild criticism is that she will be the last of the line.
Well, I suppose that could either be fleshed-out (pun intended) or perhaps there
is some visually well-hidden fold or other covering.
Aaaaanyway - just my mental wanderings on it. You've certainly done a great job
getting her modeled and posing her in a nice looking scene. Looking forward to
seeing where your imagination leads her!
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On 07/10/2014 17:22, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Along the lines of her being an adapted land animal,
It is a kelpie, for crying out loud. ;-)
It doesn't follow the rules of the blind watchmaker.
The next thing will be people saying that leprechauns wear green.
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Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> The next thing will be people saying that leprechauns wear green.
So true. With all that gold, they most likely wear Armani.
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On 07/10/2014 20:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>
>> The next thing will be people saying that leprechauns wear green.
>
> So true. With all that gold, they most likely wear Armani.
>
>
>
Red, It was Mr. Disney or his ilk that made them wear green. ;-)
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Regards
Stephen
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