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On 19/07/2014 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aol com> wrote:
>> Maybe they could have taken a trick from Australia and called it Yankie
>> Rules
>
> When writing for an international audience, I use "American football," or
> sometimes "American rules football" if Australians are in the room. Or
> "handegg" if I'm feeling snarky.
>
Ooo! get you. :-P
> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and the rest of
> the world is a deviation.
You've noticed it too? ;-)
> And unlike other cultures that hold the same
> attitude, we have the military industrial complex to back it up.
>
For the moment, as we did and the Mussalmen, Romans and Greeks before
us. I think that maybe it is China's turn again, soon.
All flesh is grass. So don't Bogart that joint, my friend.
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Stephen
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Am 19.07.2014 22:48, schrieb Stephen:
> Reminds me of the classic headline of the P&J (Aberdeen's Press and
> Journal) when the Titanic went down.
>
> - North East man, lost at sea.
As a German I can't seem to get the point/pun/whatever.
Besides: http://www.scottishreview.net/ChrisHolme222.shtml
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On 19-7-2014 23:00, Stephen wrote:
> On 19/07/2014 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and
>> the rest of
>> the world is a deviation.
>
> You've noticed it too? ;-)
>
And me thinking that we the Dutch were /the/ standard! Don't *all*
foreign visitors just love wooden shoes, tulips and wind mills, not to
speak of traditional costumes of course? :-P
Thomas
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On 19/07/2014 22:49, clipka wrote:
> Am 19.07.2014 22:48, schrieb Stephen:
>
>> Reminds me of the classic headline of the P&J (Aberdeen's Press and
>> Journal) when the Titanic went down.
>>
>> - North East man, lost at sea.
>
> As a German I can't seem to get the point/pun/whatever.
>
It is a byword for provincial thinking. Of which we have our fair share.
> Besides: http://www.scottishreview.net/ChrisHolme222.shtml
>
Damn! There goes the tourist trade. ;-)
It is one of those myths and falsehoods that we like to keep going.
I have a list...
Since you found me out. I'll tell you a true story about the P&J.
Before the coming of the Oil. Aberdeen was a provincial city. Fishing,
visiting one day and was shown a proof print of an agricultural show
ordered the offending photo to be made more modest.
(They lost the court case when they were sued by the farmer whose stud
bull was shownto be not complete.)
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Stephen
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On 20/07/2014 08:10, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 19-7-2014 23:00, Stephen wrote:
>> On 19/07/2014 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>
>>> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and
>>> the rest of
>>> the world is a deviation.
>>
>> You've noticed it too? ;-)
>>
>
> And me thinking that we the Dutch were /the/ standard! Don't *all*
> foreign visitors just love wooden shoes, tulips and wind mills, not to
> speak of traditional costumes of course? :-P
>
Meow!
Try living in London. ;-)
I go out of my way to destroy the stereotype by being polite.
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Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> Damn! There goes the tourist trade. ;-)
We have our share in the Virgin Islands:
- Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.
- Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.
- The leaders of the 1733 slave revolt in St. John totally jumped off a cliff to
avoid capture, explaining why the rocks on the island are red.
- The banana daiquiri place is totally the highest elevation on St. Thomas.
We have a new one going. Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
the time, even though it's not legal. Yet. (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
make my day!)
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On 20/07/2014 14:48, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> Damn! There goes the tourist trade. ;-)
>
> We have our share in the Virgin Islands:
>
> - Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.
>
Do you have a festival or just a spot?
> - Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.
>
Blackbeard?
> - The leaders of the 1733 slave revolt in St. John totally jumped off a cliff to
> avoid capture, explaining why the rocks on the island are red.
>
I've heard of that. I didn't remember that it was in the Virgin Isles,
though.
> - The banana daiquiri place is totally the highest elevation on St. Thomas.
>
> We have a new one going. Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
> the time, even though it's not legal. Yet. (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
> make my day!)
>
What do people think of that? When I was in Jamaica, I noticed that they
were a tiny wee bit homophobic. O_O
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Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 20/07/2014 14:48, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> > - Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.
>
> Do you have a festival or just a spot?
Just a spot. It's called Drake's Seat.
> > - Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.
>
> Blackbeard?
Blackbeard was a thoroughly unpleasant historical figure named Edward Teach.
Bluebeard is imaginary, but his hotel pulls in more revenue.
> > We have a new one going. Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
> > the time, even though it's not legal. Yet. (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
> > make my day!)
>
> What do people think of that? When I was in Jamaica, I noticed that they
> were a tiny wee bit homophobic. O_O
The entire Caribbean is virulently homophobic, but the USVI is less so than most
parts. The Bahamas once refused mooring to a cruise ship full of lesbians, but
we welcomed them. Our previous governor is rumored to be gay, but that never
hurt him politically. As far as I can tell, with one exception that I know of,
all of our incumbent politicians are opposed to same-sex marriage, but several
of them recognize that it is a civil rights issue and will not act on their
personal feelings in this regard.
A bill is now being drafted to legalize gay marriage (and in the process, repeal
the asinine legal requirement that women legally change their last name). There
has been loud community opposition to the bill, but my sense is that it's just a
vocal religious minority.
In one sad story, a father bragged that he (literally) beat the gay out of his
son. The son killed himself two weeks later, and his father said that we need
to make it illegal to /be/ gay so that more kids won't choose to be gay and then
kill themselves! For a moment, I thought I was in Uganda.
Some politicians have promised vote against or veto the bill. I'm trying to
find out who they are so that I can vote against them.
Right now, in order to have a same-sex wedding here, the couple must first get a
marriage license in one of the states where it is valid, then contact one of the
preachers here that advertize the service. Ironically, this means that you
cannot have a gay wedding here unless you are religious!
I don't understand why more people don't see the tourism potential. OK, I do
understand: it's religion.
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On 21/07/2014 16:54, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 20/07/2014 14:48, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>> - Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.
>>
>> Do you have a festival or just a spot?
>
> Just a spot. It's called Drake's Seat.
>
Evocative! At least for us Brits.
>>> - Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.
>>
>> Blackbeard?
>
> Blackbeard was a thoroughly unpleasant historical figure named Edward Teach.
> Bluebeard is imaginary, but his hotel pulls in more revenue.
>
Nice one! Should pull in the French Tourists as well. :-)
I went to Bluebeard's Castle once.
>>> We have a new one going. Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
>>> the time, even though it's not legal. Yet. (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
>>> make my day!)
>>
I'm not even going to look him up. Won't give hime the oxygen of publicity.
>> What do people think of that? When I was in Jamaica, I noticed that they
>> were a tiny wee bit homophobic. O_O
>
> The entire Caribbean is virulently homophobic, but the USVI is less so than most
> parts. The Bahamas once refused mooring to a cruise ship full of lesbians, but
> we welcomed them. Our previous governor is rumored to be gay, but that never
> hurt him politically.
Good show! Old chap. :-)
> As far as I can tell, with one exception that I know of,
> all of our incumbent politicians are opposed to same-sex marriage, but several
> of them recognize that it is a civil rights issue and will not act on their
> personal feelings in this regard.
>
If only the rest of the world were so wise.
> A bill is now being drafted to legalize gay marriage (and in the process, repeal
> the asinine legal requirement that women legally change their last name).
My wife uses her maiden name.
The fuss that caused when she met up with me in Jamaica. She just about
had to show her marriage certificate to share the same room with me.
> There has been loud community opposition to the bill, but my sense is that it's just
a
> vocal religious minority.
>
Hope so.
> In one sad story, a father bragged that he (literally) beat the gay out of his
> son. The son killed himself two weeks later, and his father said that we need
> to make it illegal to /be/ gay so that more kids won't choose to be gay and then
> kill themselves! For a moment, I thought I was in Uganda.
>
It beggars belief that "so called" religious people can think like that.
I thought "Love thy neighbour" was a commandment.
Silly me. That's in the new testament and all the good repressive
urgings are in the old testament.
Have you noticed that all these bigots quote from the old testament?
> Some politicians have promised vote against or veto the bill. I'm trying to
> find out who they are so that I can vote against them.
>
:-D
> Right now, in order to have a same-sex wedding here, the couple must first get a
> marriage license in one of the states where it is valid, then contact one of the
> preachers here that advertize the service. Ironically, this means that you
> cannot have a gay wedding here unless you are religious!
>
Or lie about it. ;-)
> I don't understand why more people don't see the tourism potential. OK, I do
> understand: it's religion.
>
I don't know if that sort of tourism is the best way to go. It is better
that "drunken sex party" tourism, true. But to be known as the gay Las
Vegas of the Caribbean would make for a change in the way of life.
Anyway this is so very off topic. I'll zip it, now. ;-)
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Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> I don't know if that sort of tourism is the best way to go. It is better
> that "drunken sex party" tourism, true. But to be known as the gay Las
> Vegas of the Caribbean would make for a change in the way of life.
And your point is...?
> Anyway this is so very off topic. I'll zip it, now. ;-)
Likewise.
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