El 15/08/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
> On 15/08/2014 10:50, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>> El 15/08/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
>>> Thanks, I got that and it looks just the thing. :-D
>>>
>>> Ah! it appears in PoseRay as a right hand drive. (The way that
>>> God intended. :-P )
>>
>> Yes, but only because of the conversion... I guess René, being
>> French, designed it as Satan intended. :)
>>
>
> Not Satan but Napoleon.
>
>> Fortunately, in POV-Ray, the difference between good and evil is
>> simply "scale <1,1,-1>".
>>
>
> How simple! If only RL were like that.
>
>
>>> I'll probably create an animation so that there will be several
>>> meshes to choose from. I'll use the smallest acceptable mesh so
>>> no close ups, please. ;-)
>>
>> Yes, no close ups: almost a low-poly will do... also, the glass is
>> tinted, and the sun position is going to be high enough to keep it
>> in the shadow.
>>
>>> Any preference to gender?
>>
>> Not really, but maybe a man is more suited to keep the triangle
>> count small, as you can make it bald without remorse.
>>
>
> Posted both in p.b.misc

   Here is a first animation using it (sorry for the left-hand driving,
but I had to reverse the model so the plates and rear windshield banner
were right... :)

   http://youtu.be/vgQ-qMCdvhI

   I've changed his blue shirt for a plaid shirt: as the car was already
blue I wanted something different.

   Curiously, even if it is a static figure, my brain almost sees him
steering at some points.

   Now, I noticed a few more problems:

   + he seems to be glued to the seat, as car movement doesn't affects
him (I placed the model into the animation, not into the simulation).
   + OMG, he is riding without belt!
   + Wait... that Micra had automatic shift?

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On 16/08/2014 10:25, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>    Here is a first animation using it (sorry for the left-hand driving,
> but I had to reverse the model so the plates and rear windshield banner
> were right... :)
>
> http://youtu.be/vgQ-qMCdvhI
>
>    I've changed his blue shirt for a plaid shirt: as the car was already
> blue I wanted something different.
>

That looks good.

>    Curiously, even if it is a static figure, my brain almost sees him
> steering at some points.
>
Marvellous, is it not?

>    Now, I noticed a few more problems:
>

The car's wheels wobble a bit as well.
I paid attention to them as I was thinking that if I gave you a series 
of meshes with the driver turning the steering wheel from -90° ~ 0° ~ 
+90°. You could select a mesh depending on the angle of the car's front 
wheels.
I am taking a couple of months off work so I have the time and I've not 
used Poser in a while. So I need to keep up my skills.
No pressure.


>    + he seems to be glued to the seat, as car movement doesn't affects
> him (I placed the model into the animation, not into the simulation).

He is glued to the seat in fact  he intersects with the seat.

>    + OMG, he is riding without belt!

Not a public road so no problem.
Besides he is glued to the seat. :-)


>    + Wait... that Micra had automatic shift?

Now you are asking. :-)

But a model with one one hand on the gear stick would not be a problem.



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     Stephen

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On 15-8-2014 23:35, Stephen wrote:
> On 15/08/2014 21:30, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>> El 15/08/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
>>> Posted both in p.b.misc
>>>
>>
>>    Works great, thanks! The pose seems perfect, and fits perfectly
>> (miraculously, his head doesn't touch the roof).
>>
>
> That's great. Normally I have difficulty importing props into Poser and
> getting the scale right. But the interior you created came in like a dream.
> I had a bit of trouble with the feet. My first try made it look like
> Fred Flintstone's car. :-)

You could have cut off his feet though ;-)

They will be invisible under all circumstances...

Thomas

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On 16-8-2014 13:12, Stephen wrote:
> The car's wheels wobble a bit as well.
> I paid attention to them as I was thinking that if I gave you a series
> of meshes with the driver turning the steering wheel from -90° ~ 0° ~
> +90°. You could select a mesh depending on the angle of the car's front
> wheels.

Yes, I noticed that too. It was less in the first animation. Jaime, 
could you control the rate of angular change of the fore wheels? Make it 
more gradual?

Thomas

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On 16-8-2014 10:53, Stephen wrote:

> That makes sense to me too. Look at fighters, swordsmen lead with their
> dominant side unless they have a shield. Then that is the side they lead
> with. Boxers lead with their "shield" side for protection. If they lead
> with their right hand forward they have a special name, southpaw. In
> judo it is the opposite way. So I think that this has to do with the
> discipline.

I have been told that the origin of left-hand driving came from medieval 
sword fighting and tournaments, like also the winding sense of stairs.

Thomas

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On 16/08/2014 12:35, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
> You could have cut off his feet though ;-)
>

Ouch!

> They will be invisible under all circumstances...

In that case I could cut him off at the waist. :-)

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     Stephen

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On 16/08/2014 13:50, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 16-8-2014 10:53, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> That makes sense to me too. Look at fighters, swordsmen lead with their
>> dominant side unless they have a shield. Then that is the side they lead
>> with. Boxers lead with their "shield" side for protection. If they lead
>> with their right hand forward they have a special name, southpaw. In
>> judo it is the opposite way. So I think that this has to do with the
>> discipline.
> 
> I have been told that the origin of left-hand driving came from medieval
> sword fighting and tournaments, like also the winding sense of stairs.
> 
> Thomas

I heard that the winding sense of stairs is for defence of the building,
assuming the main hand for the sword is the right one.
So defendants get full movement range and assaulting get problems.
So, the rotation is not the same when going to the vault or going to the
roof, from the outside.

The English driving on the left side is due to the sheath being on the
left side (once again for the majority with a right hand for the sword),
and horsed-armed-men should not collide the sheaths when crossing. It
went to road and railway (and so far, trains on railway still "drive on
left" even in France), because most trains first came from the island
west of Brussels (but the spacing between the rails is due to the wide
of the roman empire's horse's ass). Due to the large influences of the
English Empire, many countries sticks to that convention.
Napoleon might have hated that convention for Europe, but how do you
explain that the continental north America also drives on the right ?

Last note: trains run on left, but tramways is a different story, and
metro/tube too, they run on right (like car) in Paris.

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On 16-8-2014 15:10, Le_Forgeron wrote:

> Last note: trains run on left, but tramways is a different story, and
> metro/tube too, they run on right (like car) in Paris.

On the continent, /only/ in France trains are left-sided, if I am 
correct. ;-)

Thomas

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Am 16.08.2014 10:53, schrieb Stephen:

>> The candidates' task was to walk as straight as possible with limited
>> information; whether people tend to veer to the left or right in such a
>> circumstance says nothing about whether they prefer to walk left or
>> right turns when walking in a circle deliberately.
>>
>
> True but it shows that there is little bias to turn away from their
> strong leg.

No, all it shows is that when tasked with walking in a straight line, 
their compensation for any such bias they may or may not have works even 
when blindfolded.

>> The tendency of people to prefer walking left turns over right turns has
>> long been identified by /the/ one most motivated, well-funded and
>> experienced branch of applied behavioural science of all: Marketing
>> analysis. Shops are arranged on this basis, and it works.
>>
> Sources that it works? (and not psychobabble, please).
> If shops had paths that wound to the right. I suspect that they would
> still sell things.

Yeah, but it's one of the little tweaks by which they influence /what/ 
they sell (to an average person; they don't care much about 
individualists) - and also how much. Like that old trick to put the milk 
way at the back, because almost everyone has milk on their shopping 
list, so they make you walk past all the other goods that you might not 
have thought about when you made the list.

> It sounds like juju to me. "Give me money and I will make you more mony
> than you now have."

I've first heard that a quarter of a century ago, at a time when - or so 
it seems to me - juju wasn't state of the art. Besides, it's such a 
trivial thing that you can't really "sell" that idea - and the shop 
owner can easily check whether it has any effect or not.


>>>> So from a psychological point of view, to
>>>> an otherwise unbiased person it will come more natural to make U-turns
>>>> to the left rather than to the right.
>>>
>>> :-O
>>
>> Yup. Fortunately for you people on the island, you're all being biased
>> during driving lessons :-)
>
> This is true as is the reverse.

Sure. But my point is that the continental bias is more natural :-)

> And before you or anyone else says it. I have often heard that I am
> weird. And I play on that.
> I suspect that there are a few people on this newsgroup that have been
> been labelled weird or strange.

Which, as far as I'm concerned, is a compliment.

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Am 16.08.2014 15:59, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 16-8-2014 15:10, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>
>> Last note: trains run on left, but tramways is a different story, and
>> metro/tube too, they run on right (like car) in Paris.
>
> On the continent, /only/ in France trains are left-sided, if I am
> correct. ;-)

Wikipedia claims that Belgian, Italian, Portugese, Swedish and Swiss 
trains don't drive on the right (!) track either. Some Austrian railway 
lines also drive on the left.

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