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Warp wrote:
> Hmm... What stops you from posting a full report of the suggested fix
> to this news server?
I do NOT contribute to non-free software.
Bye
P.S.: I am currently trying out Art Of Illusion (AoI)
http://www.artofillusion.org/. If it is as good as it looks it is likely
that I will say goodbye to POVRay and switch (and contribute to) AoI.
--
Alessandro Coppo
a.coppo@<REMOVE_ME>iol.it
www.geocities.com/alexcoppo
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> I do NOT contribute to non-free software.
Is there a chance that future versions of POVRay (beyond 3.5) will get
released under the GPL or the LGPL, and why not?
What are the problems with such a license? I don't have a problem to
contribute to "non-free software" if there are good reasons for not
releasing it under such a license. POVRay is in fact not comercial. Why not
support it?
BTW is a Java Raytracer not slower by nature?
Florian
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Alessandro Coppo <a.c### [at] iol it> wrote:
>> Hmm... What stops you from posting a full report of the suggested fix
>> to this news server?
> I do NOT contribute to non-free software.
Hmm... Since when POV-Ray has not been free?
(AFAIK the only definition of "free software" is that it costs no money,
and POV-Ray perfectly fits this definition. Moreover, the source code of
POV-Ray is available, and you can make modifications to it and distribute
modified versions, which pretty much makes it fit inside the "open source"
definition. What else do you want? LGPL? LGPL is very nice, but not feasible
currently. GPL? No thanks.)
--
#macro N(D)#if(D>99)cylinder{M()#local D=div(D,104);M().5,2pigment{rgb M()}}
N(D)#end#end#macro M()<mod(D,13)-6mod(div(D,13)8)-3,10>#end blob{
N(11117333955)N(4254934330)N(3900569407)N(7382340)N(3358)N(970)}// - Warp -
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> I do NOT contribute to non-free software.
*thinks*
POV-Ray isn't non-free. It's free. I don't get what you're saying.
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
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Florian Pesth <fpe### [at] compuservede> wrote:
> Is there a chance that future versions of POVRay (beyond 3.5) will get
> released under the GPL or the LGPL, and why not?
> What are the problems with such a license?
The GPL license has its own problems. In some ways it's so anarchist, that
it can actually be a totalitarian license.
LGPL is really nice (and a sign of this is that many GPL guys hate it),
however, it can be a bit *too* free (eg. publishing POV-Ray under LGPL would
allow anyone to make money by selling a program which has POV-Ray linked
in it, for example being the main renderer in the program; it's not very
nice that people would exploit POV-Ray in this way).
> I don't have a problem to
> contribute to "non-free software" if there are good reasons for not
> releasing it under such a license.
I don't understand how POV-Ray is "non-free". Could someone explain?
> BTW is a Java Raytracer not slower by nature?
There's no way an interpreted language can be as fast as a compiled and
highly optimized language.
Compiling the Java code to native machine code *might* make it reach
the same speed, but I doubt that it will ever do that.
--
#macro N(D)#if(D>99)cylinder{M()#local D=div(D,104);M().5,2pigment{rgb M()}}
N(D)#end#end#macro M()<mod(D,13)-6mod(div(D,13)8)-3,10>#end blob{
N(11117333955)N(4254934330)N(3900569407)N(7382340)N(3358)N(970)}// - Warp -
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Alessandro Coppo <a.c### [at] iolit> wrote:
> P.S.: I am currently trying out Art Of Illusion (AoI)
> http://www.artofillusion.org/. If it is as good as it looks it is likely
> that I will say goodbye to POVRay and switch (and contribute to) AoI.
It's really funny that Java hype is so strong that people don't even
care that the program is 10 times slower than one written in C++.
In most programs it doesn't matter, but in a high-end raytracer it
certainly matters quite a lot. Why spend 10 hours rendering a scene
which could be rendered in 1 hour?
--
#macro N(D)#if(D>99)cylinder{M()#local D=div(D,104);M().5,2pigment{rgb M()}}
N(D)#end#end#macro M()<mod(D,13)-6mod(div(D,13)8)-3,10>#end blob{
N(11117333955)N(4254934330)N(3900569407)N(7382340)N(3358)N(970)}// - Warp -
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:07:13 +0200, Alessandro Coppo <a.c### [at] iolit> wrote:
> I do NOT contribute to non-free software.
So only using CVS makes program free ?
> P.S.: I am currently trying out Art Of Illusion (AoI)
> http://www.artofillusion.org/. If it is as good as it looks it is likely
> that I will say goodbye to POVRay and switch (and contribute to) AoI.
I'm also for more opened developemnt model but I fell in love with POV.
Seems it could be nice renderer for such modeler like AoI ;-)
ABX
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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Grid artifact in f_noise3d isosurface
Date: 29 Jun 2002 07:36:03
Message: <3d1d9ba3@news.povray.org>
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In article <3d1cc175$1@news.povray.org> , Alessandro Coppo <a.c### [at] iolit>
wrote:
> I do NOT contribute to non-free software.
Oh, how clever to first complain about not having the source code and
claiming you fixed the bug and then say you never planned to contribute it.
So the obvious conclusion is that your claim that you fixed it a month ago
is nothing more than a lie, and your only intention of this post was to
start some flame-war. Really nice attitude! :-(
Now do us all as you promised and waste your time ray-tracing with Java than
wasting our time reading your nonsense!
Thorsten
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From: Alessandro Coppo
Subject: Re: Grid artifact in f_noise3d isosurface
Date: 30 Jun 2002 16:32:05
Message: <3d1f6ac5@news.povray.org>
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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> Oh, how clever to first complain about not having the source code and
> claiming you fixed the bug and then say you never planned to contribute
> it. So the obvious conclusion is that your claim that you fixed it a month
> ago is nothing more than a lie, and your only intention of this post was
> to
> start some flame-war. Really nice attitude! :-(
>
> Now do us all as you promised and waste your time ray-tracing with Java
> than wasting our time reading your nonsense!
If you go to my website, download my JXL java library and have a look at
the jxl.num.rng package, you will find correct implementations of Perlin
noise in 1, 2 and 3 dimensions (omit if seeing Java code harms your
reproductive capabilitis...;). Before releasing that code I checked its
behaviour creating test images and debugging it (strange practise, isn't
it?)
I did not fix any POV bug, I simply discorvered it and laughed about such
silly thing still laying around in a 10 years old program!
I did not want to start a flame war... I just do not care!
--
Alessandro Coppo
a.coppo@<REMOVE_ME>iol.it
www.geocities.com/alexcoppo
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> So only using CVS makes program free ?
No...
STOP: SYSTYEM DETECTED FLAME BAIT. DO NOT RESPOND
--
Alessandro Coppo
a.coppo@<REMOVE_ME>iol.it
www.geocities.com/alexcoppo
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