--------------( oo )--------------

I had a seminar this is week on MAX MSP and Pure Data. I don't know if it's
weel known by the POVRay community. This is an OpenArchitecture software for
sequencing. Mainly used in Music and Performing Arts. We use MAX MSP for
programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.

I was wandering if someone I've heard about similar project for Geometry.
Using UML interface to rapidly program a Prototype Code for Geometry
(POVRay). The counters are exactly the sames, math ojects, objects types,
operation (COPY, TRANSLATE,...) Anjd there's sliders to control your
parametrized form.

We could compare the Paradigm of IRCAM (with MAX MSP) with the paradigme of
the MIT (with DESIGN BY NUMBERS and PROCE55ING). One is more graphic
oriented than the other.

If someone know something about UML and Geometry Construction, just tell me
if you saw similar projects. I'm working on my Master Thesis on Geometry
Models for Architecture, and maybe I'll spend some time on that subject.

--------------( oo )--------------
guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo

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--------------( oo )--------------

Here's a LINK to an ScreenShot of MAXMSP
http://www.vif.com/users/goo/maxmsp.gif

--------------( oo )--------------

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Unlike audio (and even easier, MIDI), you can't get POV to compile in real
time. So how would this work? There have been some attempts to render POV
scenes using OpenGL, but none (that I know of) with the types of sliders and
knobs that Max/MSP offers.
FYI - Max/MSP (long a Mac-only app) has recently been released for Windows.

Coming from the sound synthesis world, have a look at CsoundAV, which uses
OpenGL to render sound and images in real time:
http://www.csounds.com/csoundav/index.html

Best,
D.


news:3ffdf35a$1@news.povray.org...
>
> --------------( oo )--------------
>
> I had a seminar this is week on MAX MSP and Pure Data. I don't know if
it's
> weel known by the POVRay community. This is an OpenArchitecture software
for
> sequencing. Mainly used in Music and Performing Arts. We use MAX MSP for
> programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.
>
> I was wandering if someone I've heard about similar project for Geometry.
> Using UML interface to rapidly program a Prototype Code for Geometry
> (POVRay). The counters are exactly the sames, math ojects, objects types,
> operation (COPY, TRANSLATE,...) Anjd there's sliders to control your
> parametrized form.
>
> We could compare the Paradigm of IRCAM (with MAX MSP) with the paradigme
of
> the MIT (with DESIGN BY NUMBERS and PROCE55ING). One is more graphic
> oriented than the other.
>
> If someone know something about UML and Geometry Construction, just tell
me
> if you saw similar projects. I'm working on my Master Thesis on Geometry
> Models for Architecture, and maybe I'll spend some time on that subject.
>
> --------------( oo )--------------
> guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
> Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
> 514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo
>
>

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--------------( oo )--------------

I worked with CSoundAV few times. This is a really great project. Few person
here working with PovRay seems to work with CSound. I see a lot of
similarities between PovRay and Csound.

CSound is code oriented. With OpenGL interfaces, you could map your
parameters to modify a code (in OpenGL).

The goal is not to procduce sound, but to have an interface for 3D
programming, even not in real time. It's more on how you sketch (as in the
project Proce55ing.net) your algorithms. PureData and Max are clearly done
for realtime processing systems, but maybe we could use the same way to
represent objects (operators) in PovRAY.

We could imagine keeping the Spirit of UML for modeling in PovRAY. I saw few
projects based on that, but it was mainly used for post-process effects
(like photoshop filters and 3D transformations) rather than the geometry
construction.

For example, We have a set of points and we would like to apply a convex
hull operator on to obtain a polygon. We map the point list to the input of
a blackBOX "Convex Hull" and the output is a polygon that we pass through
another blackBOX "extrusion" for example. This would make the sketching
(coding) more intuitive, compromise between interactivity and plain text
coding.

 --------------( oo )--------------

Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]


"Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
news:40028d30$1@news.povray.org...

> Unlike audio (and even easier, MIDI), you can't get POV to compile in real
> time. So how would this work? There have been some attempts to render POV
> scenes using OpenGL, but none (that I know of) with the types of sliders
and
> knobs that Max/MSP offers.
> FYI - Max/MSP (long a Mac-only app) has recently been released for
Windows.
>
> Coming from the sound synthesis world, have a look at CsoundAV, which uses
> OpenGL to render sound and images in real time:
> http://www.csounds.com/csoundav/index.html
>
> Best,
> D.
>

> news:3ffdf35a$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > --------------( oo )--------------
> >
> > I had a seminar this is week on MAX MSP and Pure Data. I don't know if
> it's
> > weel known by the POVRay community. This is an OpenArchitecture software
> for
> > sequencing. Mainly used in Music and Performing Arts. We use MAX MSP for
> > programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.
> >
> > I was wandering if someone I've heard about similar project for
Geometry.
> > Using UML interface to rapidly program a Prototype Code for Geometry
> > (POVRay). The counters are exactly the sames, math ojects, objects
types,
> > operation (COPY, TRANSLATE,...) Anjd there's sliders to control your
> > parametrized form.
> >
> > We could compare the Paradigm of IRCAM (with MAX MSP) with the paradigme
> of
> > the MIT (with DESIGN BY NUMBERS and PROCE55ING). One is more graphic
> > oriented than the other.
> >
> > If someone know something about UML and Geometry Construction, just tell
> me
> > if you saw similar projects. I'm working on my Master Thesis on Geometry
> > Models for Architecture, and maybe I'll spend some time on that subject.
> >
> > --------------( oo )--------------
> > guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
> > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
> > 514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo
> >
> >
>
>

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Well I like very much the idea, but I only wish there were a way to make
this "procedural" interface supply some visual feedback, even if in "near
real time." If you get any further ideas, please let me know.
I agree that many people do not know of both POV and Csound - too bad, as
they have very much in common.
Good luck with your work.
Dennis

news:400eaf0a@news.povray.org...
>
> --------------( oo )--------------
>
> I worked with CSoundAV few times. This is a really great project. Few
person
> here working with PovRay seems to work with CSound. I see a lot of
> similarities between PovRay and Csound.
>
> CSound is code oriented. With OpenGL interfaces, you could map your
> parameters to modify a code (in OpenGL).
>
> The goal is not to procduce sound, but to have an interface for 3D
> programming, even not in real time. It's more on how you sketch (as in the
> project Proce55ing.net) your algorithms. PureData and Max are clearly done
> for realtime processing systems, but maybe we could use the same way to
> represent objects (operators) in PovRAY.
>
> We could imagine keeping the Spirit of UML for modeling in PovRAY. I saw
few
> projects based on that, but it was mainly used for post-process effects
> (like photoshop filters and 3D transformations) rather than the geometry
> construction.
>
> For example, We have a set of points and we would like to apply a convex
> hull operator on to obtain a polygon. We map the point list to the input
of
> a blackBOX "Convex Hull" and the output is a polygon that we pass through
> another blackBOX "extrusion" for example. This would make the sketching
> (coding) more intuitive, compromise between interactivity and plain text
> coding.
>
>  --------------( oo )--------------

> Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]
>
>
> "Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
> news:40028d30$1@news.povray.org...
>
> > Unlike audio (and even easier, MIDI), you can't get POV to compile in
real
> > time. So how would this work? There have been some attempts to render
POV
> > scenes using OpenGL, but none (that I know of) with the types of sliders
> and
> > knobs that Max/MSP offers.
> > FYI - Max/MSP (long a Mac-only app) has recently been released for
> Windows.
> >
> > Coming from the sound synthesis world, have a look at CsoundAV, which
uses
> > OpenGL to render sound and images in real time:
> > http://www.csounds.com/csoundav/index.html
> >
> > Best,
> > D.
> >

> > news:3ffdf35a$1@news.povray.org...
> > >
> > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > >
> > > I had a seminar this is week on MAX MSP and Pure Data. I don't know if
> > it's
> > > weel known by the POVRay community. This is an OpenArchitecture
software
> > for
> > > sequencing. Mainly used in Music and Performing Arts. We use MAX MSP
for
> > > programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.
> > >
> > > I was wandering if someone I've heard about similar project for
> Geometry.
> > > Using UML interface to rapidly program a Prototype Code for Geometry
> > > (POVRay). The counters are exactly the sames, math ojects, objects
> types,
> > > operation (COPY, TRANSLATE,...) Anjd there's sliders to control your
> > > parametrized form.
> > >
> > > We could compare the Paradigm of IRCAM (with MAX MSP) with the
paradigme
> > of
> > > the MIT (with DESIGN BY NUMBERS and PROCE55ING). One is more graphic
> > > oriented than the other.
> > >
> > > If someone know something about UML and Geometry Construction, just
tell
> > me
> > > if you saw similar projects. I'm working on my Master Thesis on
Geometry
> > > Models for Architecture, and maybe I'll spend some time on that
subject.
> > >
> > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > > guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
> > > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
> > > 514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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What I saw of GEM (graphic engine for PureData) is working in that way. But
I didn't found any Bool operators. But as you described, you could change
parameters on the fly.

But with this question about RealTime RayTracing make me think to a great
french teacher who made a project for RealTime Java RayTracing. His Name is
Alain Marty.
http://marty.alain.free.fr/frame.html

Thanks Dennis, I'll try to keep you informed. By the way, please have a look
to GEM environment for PureDATA. I guess this is similar to CSOUNDAV.

--------------( oo )--------------
guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo
http://ps.dgtic.umontreal.ca:2050/observatoire_cmao/data/p0034/site/index.ht
m

"Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
news:40108a4c@news.povray.org...
> Well I like very much the idea, but I only wish there were a way to make
> this "procedural" interface supply some visual feedback, even if in "near
> real time." If you get any further ideas, please let me know.
> I agree that many people do not know of both POV and Csound - too bad, as
> they have very much in common.
> Good luck with your work.
> Dennis

> news:400eaf0a@news.povray.org...
> >
> > --------------( oo )--------------
> >
> > I worked with CSoundAV few times. This is a really great project. Few
> person
> > here working with PovRay seems to work with CSound. I see a lot of
> > similarities between PovRay and Csound.
> >
> > CSound is code oriented. With OpenGL interfaces, you could map your
> > parameters to modify a code (in OpenGL).
> >
> > The goal is not to procduce sound, but to have an interface for 3D
> > programming, even not in real time. It's more on how you sketch (as in
the
> > project Proce55ing.net) your algorithms. PureData and Max are clearly
done
> > for realtime processing systems, but maybe we could use the same way to
> > represent objects (operators) in PovRAY.
> >
> > We could imagine keeping the Spirit of UML for modeling in PovRAY. I saw
> few
> > projects based on that, but it was mainly used for post-process effects
> > (like photoshop filters and 3D transformations) rather than the geometry
> > construction.
> >
> > For example, We have a set of points and we would like to apply a convex
> > hull operator on to obtain a polygon. We map the point list to the input
> of
> > a blackBOX "Convex Hull" and the output is a polygon that we pass
through
> > another blackBOX "extrusion" for example. This would make the sketching
> > (coding) more intuitive, compromise between interactivity and plain text
> > coding.
> >
> >  --------------( oo )--------------

> > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]
> >
> >
> > "Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
> > news:40028d30$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > > Unlike audio (and even easier, MIDI), you can't get POV to compile in
> real
> > > time. So how would this work? There have been some attempts to render
> POV
> > > scenes using OpenGL, but none (that I know of) with the types of
sliders
> > and
> > > knobs that Max/MSP offers.
> > > FYI - Max/MSP (long a Mac-only app) has recently been released for
> > Windows.
> > >
> > > Coming from the sound synthesis world, have a look at CsoundAV, which
> uses
> > > OpenGL to render sound and images in real time:
> > > http://www.csounds.com/csoundav/index.html
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > D.
> > >

> > > news:3ffdf35a$1@news.povray.org...
> > > >
> > > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > > >
> > > > I had a seminar this is week on MAX MSP and Pure Data. I don't know
if
> > > it's
> > > > weel known by the POVRay community. This is an OpenArchitecture
> software
> > > for
> > > > sequencing. Mainly used in Music and Performing Arts. We use MAX MSP
> for
> > > > programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.
> > > >
> > > > I was wandering if someone I've heard about similar project for
> > Geometry.
> > > > Using UML interface to rapidly program a Prototype Code for Geometry
> > > > (POVRay). The counters are exactly the sames, math ojects, objects
> > types,
> > > > operation (COPY, TRANSLATE,...) Anjd there's sliders to control your
> > > > parametrized form.
> > > >
> > > > We could compare the Paradigm of IRCAM (with MAX MSP) with the
> paradigme
> > > of
> > > > the MIT (with DESIGN BY NUMBERS and PROCE55ING). One is more graphic
> > > > oriented than the other.
> > > >
> > > > If someone know something about UML and Geometry Construction, just
> tell
> > > me
> > > > if you saw similar projects. I'm working on my Master Thesis on
> Geometry
> > > > Models for Architecture, and maybe I'll spend some time on that
> subject.
> > > >
> > > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > > > guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
> > > > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
> > > > 514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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--------------( oo )--------------

About the site of Alain Marty (http://marty.alain.free.fr/frame.html)
You must go in the Menu in >[Recherche] >[JAVA] >[RayTrace]

--------------( oo )--------------
guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] - Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-514.524.3010

www.vif.com/users/goo
http://ps.dgtic.umontreal.ca:2050/observatoire_cmao/data/p0034/site/index.ht
m


"Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
news:40108a4c@news.povray.org...
> Well I like very much the idea, but I only wish there were a way to make
> this "procedural" interface supply some visual feedback, even if in "near
> real time." If you get any further ideas, please let me know.
> I agree that many people do not know of both POV and Csound - too bad, as
> they have very much in common.
> Good luck with your work.
> Dennis

> news:400eaf0a@news.povray.org...
> >
> > --------------( oo )--------------
> >
> > I worked with CSoundAV few times. This is a really great project. Few
> person
> > here working with PovRay seems to work with CSound. I see a lot of
> > similarities between PovRay and Csound.
> >
> > CSound is code oriented. With OpenGL interfaces, you could map your
> > parameters to modify a code (in OpenGL).
> >
> > The goal is not to procduce sound, but to have an interface for 3D
> > programming, even not in real time. It's more on how you sketch (as in
the
> > project Proce55ing.net) your algorithms. PureData and Max are clearly
done
> > for realtime processing systems, but maybe we could use the same way to
> > represent objects (operators) in PovRAY.
> >
> > We could imagine keeping the Spirit of UML for modeling in PovRAY. I saw
> few
> > projects based on that, but it was mainly used for post-process effects
> > (like photoshop filters and 3D transformations) rather than the geometry
> > construction.
> >
> > For example, We have a set of points and we would like to apply a convex
> > hull operator on to obtain a polygon. We map the point list to the input
> of
> > a blackBOX "Convex Hull" and the output is a polygon that we pass
through
> > another blackBOX "extrusion" for example. This would make the sketching
> > (coding) more intuitive, compromise between interactivity and plain text
> > coding.
> >
> >  --------------( oo )--------------

> > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]
> >
> >
> > "Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
> > news:40028d30$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > > Unlike audio (and even easier, MIDI), you can't get POV to compile in
> real
> > > time. So how would this work? There have been some attempts to render
> POV
> > > scenes using OpenGL, but none (that I know of) with the types of
sliders
> > and
> > > knobs that Max/MSP offers.
> > > FYI - Max/MSP (long a Mac-only app) has recently been released for
> > Windows.
> > >
> > > Coming from the sound synthesis world, have a look at CsoundAV, which
> uses
> > > OpenGL to render sound and images in real time:
> > > http://www.csounds.com/csoundav/index.html
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > D.
> > >

> > > news:3ffdf35a$1@news.povray.org...
> > > >
> > > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > > >
> > > > I had a seminar this is week on MAX MSP and Pure Data. I don't know
if
> > > it's
> > > > weel known by the POVRay community. This is an OpenArchitecture
> software
> > > for
> > > > sequencing. Mainly used in Music and Performing Arts. We use MAX MSP
> for
> > > > programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.
> > > >
> > > > I was wandering if someone I've heard about similar project for
> > Geometry.
> > > > Using UML interface to rapidly program a Prototype Code for Geometry
> > > > (POVRay). The counters are exactly the sames, math ojects, objects
> > types,
> > > > operation (COPY, TRANSLATE,...) Anjd there's sliders to control your
> > > > parametrized form.
> > > >
> > > > We could compare the Paradigm of IRCAM (with MAX MSP) with the
> paradigme
> > > of
> > > > the MIT (with DESIGN BY NUMBERS and PROCE55ING). One is more graphic
> > > > oriented than the other.
> > > >
> > > > If someone know something about UML and Geometry Construction, just
> tell
> > > me
> > > > if you saw similar projects. I'm working on my Master Thesis on
> Geometry
> > > > Models for Architecture, and maybe I'll spend some time on that
> subject.
> > > >
> > > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > > > guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
> > > > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
> > > > 514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Thanks for those links. Here's a great app for procedural textures -
slightly  less than real-time but very powerful.
Best,
Dennis

http://www.i-tex.de/




news:40116b3d@news.povray.org...
>
> --------------( oo )--------------
>
> About the site of Alain Marty (http://marty.alain.free.fr/frame.html)
> You must go in the Menu in >[Recherche] >[JAVA] >[RayTrace]
>
> --------------( oo )--------------
> guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] - Architecture CAAO
Website[VIF]-514.524.3010
>
> www.vif.com/users/goo
>
http://ps.dgtic.umontreal.ca:2050/observatoire_cmao/data/p0034/site/index.ht
> m
>
>
> "Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
> news:40108a4c@news.povray.org...
> > Well I like very much the idea, but I only wish there were a way to make
> > this "procedural" interface supply some visual feedback, even if in
"near
> > real time." If you get any further ideas, please let me know.
> > I agree that many people do not know of both POV and Csound - too bad,
as
> > they have very much in common.
> > Good luck with your work.
> > Dennis

> > news:400eaf0a@news.povray.org...
> > >
> > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > >
> > > I worked with CSoundAV few times. This is a really great project. Few
> > person
> > > here working with PovRay seems to work with CSound. I see a lot of
> > > similarities between PovRay and Csound.
> > >
> > > CSound is code oriented. With OpenGL interfaces, you could map your
> > > parameters to modify a code (in OpenGL).
> > >
> > > The goal is not to procduce sound, but to have an interface for 3D
> > > programming, even not in real time. It's more on how you sketch (as in
> the
> > > project Proce55ing.net) your algorithms. PureData and Max are clearly
> done
> > > for realtime processing systems, but maybe we could use the same way
to
> > > represent objects (operators) in PovRAY.
> > >
> > > We could imagine keeping the Spirit of UML for modeling in PovRAY. I
saw
> > few
> > > projects based on that, but it was mainly used for post-process
effects
> > > (like photoshop filters and 3D transformations) rather than the
geometry
> > > construction.
> > >
> > > For example, We have a set of points and we would like to apply a
convex
> > > hull operator on to obtain a polygon. We map the point list to the
input
> > of
> > > a blackBOX "Convex Hull" and the output is a polygon that we pass
> through
> > > another blackBOX "extrusion" for example. This would make the
sketching
> > > (coding) more intuitive, compromise between interactivity and plain
text
> > > coding.
> > >
> > >  --------------( oo )--------------

> > > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dennis Miller" <dhm### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message
> > > news:40028d30$1@news.povray.org...
> > >
> > > > Unlike audio (and even easier, MIDI), you can't get POV to compile
in
> > real
> > > > time. So how would this work? There have been some attempts to
render
> > POV
> > > > scenes using OpenGL, but none (that I know of) with the types of
> sliders
> > > and
> > > > knobs that Max/MSP offers.
> > > > FYI - Max/MSP (long a Mac-only app) has recently been released for
> > > Windows.
> > > >
> > > > Coming from the sound synthesis world, have a look at CsoundAV,
which
> > uses
> > > > OpenGL to render sound and images in real time:
> > > > http://www.csounds.com/csoundav/index.html
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > D.
> > > >

> > > > news:3ffdf35a$1@news.povray.org...
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > > > >
> > > > > I had a seminar this is week on MAX MSP and Pure Data. I don't
know
> if
> > > > it's
> > > > > weel known by the POVRay community. This is an OpenArchitecture
> > software
> > > > for
> > > > > sequencing. Mainly used in Music and Performing Arts. We use MAX
MSP
> > for
> > > > > programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wandering if someone I've heard about similar project for
> > > Geometry.
> > > > > Using UML interface to rapidly program a Prototype Code for
Geometry
> > > > > (POVRay). The counters are exactly the sames, math ojects, objects
> > > types,
> > > > > operation (COPY, TRANSLATE,...) Anjd there's sliders to control
your
> > > > > parametrized form.
> > > > >
> > > > > We could compare the Paradigm of IRCAM (with MAX MSP) with the
> > paradigme
> > > > of
> > > > > the MIT (with DESIGN BY NUMBERS and PROCE55ING). One is more
graphic
> > > > > oriented than the other.
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone know something about UML and Geometry Construction,
just
> > tell
> > > > me
> > > > > if you saw similar projects. I'm working on my Master Thesis on
> > Geometry
> > > > > Models for Architecture, and maybe I'll spend some time on that
> > subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------( oo )--------------
> > > > > guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
> > > > > Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
> > > > > 514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Hi
this statement about using MAX/MSP for programming a PIC really made me pay
attention. Does this mean you are using MAX/MSP as a programming/compiling
environment or are you communicating to a pre-programmed PIC from MAX/MSP??

Could you enlighten me a bit more about this? Please.

Rob


> --------------( oo )--------------
> We use MAX MSP for
> programing PIC (microchip controllers) for ROBOTS.
> --------------( oo )--------------
> guillaumeLaBelle [alias goo?] -
> Architecture CAAO Website[VIF]-
> 514.524.3010 www.vif.com/users/goo

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