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I'm wondering if there will be a dos-version of 3.5 available in the future?
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Apache <apa### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> I'm wondering if there will be a dos-version of 3.5 available in the future?
Why bother?
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Warp scribis news:3d17b626@news.povray.org:
> Why bother?
>
Some people like the low overhead that DOS
offers...
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On 24 Jun 2002 21:07:23 -0400, Arthur Flint <mra### [at] chesapeakenet>
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>Some people like the low overhead that DOS
>offers...
Well, there's a Linux version. There are distros as small as 15
megabytes and you don't even have to partition your hard drive (it
will work from a file on your Windows drive).
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
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TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in news:3d17b626@news.povray.org:
>> I'm wondering if there will be a dos-version of 3.5 available in the
>> future?
> Why bother?
Would it be a big problem to compile sources for DJGPP ?
ps. Where can I find POV sources ?
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On 25 Jun 2002 07:26:49 -0400, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> Would it be a big problem to compile sources for DJGPP ?
It was already done many times for 3.1
Hard to say about 3.5 since they are not release yet but when it will be
available I'm pretty sure many people will try it.
> ps. Where can I find POV sources ?
what platform ? In general:
http://www.povray.org/binaries/
ftp://fpt.povray.org/pub/povray/Official/
ABX
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Peter Popov scribis news:sk6ghusrpt4tu5eahh3tmib29srac5o0ga@4ax.com:
> There are distros as small as 15
> megabytes
What I ment was that in DOS you are not running
many background tasks due only to the OS. i.e. low overhead
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:31:26 -0500, Włodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:
> It was already done many times for 3.1 Hard to say about 3.5 since they
> are not release yet but when it will be available I'm pretty sure many
> people will try it.
One problem with 3.5 will be that the scene and include files don't
conform to the 8.3 filename limit. I doubt there is anything to prevent
POV-Ray from running, but you won't get a full working distribution.
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:29:31 -0500, Christopher James Huff <chr### [at] maccom>
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> > It was already done many times for 3.1 Hard to say about 3.5 since they
> > are not release yet but when it will be available I'm pretty sure many
> > people will try it.
>
> One problem with 3.5 will be that the scene and include files don't
> conform to the 8.3 filename limit. I doubt there is anything to prevent
> POV-Ray from running, but you won't get a full working distribution.
Personally I wait for console version of 3.5 becouse I want start it as
service. I can't start render farm fully in my company becouse users breaks my
renderings unlocking terminals with different login.
ABX
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Christopher James Huff <chr### [at] maccom> wrote in
news:pan### [at] maccom:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:31:26 -0500, W³odzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:
>
>> It was already done many times for 3.1 Hard to say about 3.5 since they
>> are not release yet but when it will be available I'm pretty sure many
>> people will try it.
>
> One problem with 3.5 will be that the scene and include files don't
> conform to the 8.3 filename limit. I doubt there is anything to prevent
> POV-Ray from running, but you won't get a full working distribution.
DJGPP programm supports LFN (if only run under OS supporting it, like Win98
dos-box).
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Arthur Flint <mra### [at] chesapeakenet> wrote:
> Some people like the low overhead that DOS
> offers...
As much as I hate saying this, the Windows version works faster than the DOS
version.
I once thought that as in DOS POV-Ray has the whole machine to itself while
in windows it has to share resources and time with other processes, it would
be much faster in DOS.
Then one day I decided to test it in practice. To my big surprise POV-Ray
for Windows outperformed POV-Ray for DOS in almost every case. (And this was
with pov3.1, ie. no superoptimized intel compile available...)
So don't make the mistake of thinking that POV-Ray will be faster in DOS
just because there are less processes. That's not the only affecting thing.
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in news:3d189012@news.povray.org:
> So don't make the mistake of thinking that POV-Ray will be faster in
> DOS
> just because there are less processes. That's not the only affecting
> thing.
You where DJGPP and some-win32 compiler versions, based on same GCC
version ?
Older DJGPP was based on GCC 2.9x that was quite slower (less optimization)
then Win32.
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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> You where DJGPP and some-win32 compiler versions, based on same GCC
> version ?
I used the official versions, plus a version for DOS compiled with DJGPP.
The latter was the slowest of all three.
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in news:3d18aee0@news.povray.org:
> Rafal 'Raf256' Maj <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote:
>> You where DJGPP and some-win32 compiler versions, based on same GCC
>> version ?
> I used the official versions, plus a version for DOS compiled with
> DJGPP.
> The latter was the slowest of all three.
I think that if You would use most up-to-date version of DJGPP (and
ofcourse set -O3, loops unroling, inlines etc) this would be as fast as
win32. In adition - ther is afair some other model of memory allocation in
DJGPP that is faster (but results in faster memory fragmentation).
Btw - can I find somwhere ready-to-comile in DJGPP sources of POV ?
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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> set -O3, loops unroling, inlines etc
-O3 already sets those, so why set them again?-)
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On 25 Jun 2002 11:12:04 -0400, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> Christopher James Huff <chr### [at] maccom> wrote in
> news:pan### [at] maccom:
>
> > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:31:26 -0500, W³odzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:
> >
> >> It was already done many times for 3.1 Hard to say about 3.5 since they
> >> are not release yet but when it will be available I'm pretty sure many
> >> people will try it.
> >
> > One problem with 3.5 will be that the scene and include files don't
> > conform to the 8.3 filename limit. I doubt there is anything to prevent
> > POV-Ray from running, but you won't get a full working distribution.
>
> DJGPP programm supports LFN (if only run under OS supporting it, like Win98
> dos-box).
>
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There is a command line replacement for DOS called 4DOS that supports the full LFN
file names too, even when booting to full DOS mode, but I am not 100% sure if programs
that are LFN aware will also recieve those names under it. May be a good thing to
check
out though. I would have it installed on mine, but have too many other things I
desperately
need to pay the shareware fees on already. lol But it is very a very nice replacement
even
if it doesn't help with the file names.
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in news:3d18bda4@news.povray.org:
> Rafal 'Raf256' Maj <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote:
>> set -O3, loops unroling, inlines etc
> -O3 already sets those, so why set them again?-)
_all_ loops with compile-time-known-length are unrolled in -O3 ?
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On 25 Jun 2002 09:09:41 -0400, Arthur Flint <mra### [at] chesapeakenet>
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>What I ment was that in DOS you are not running
>many background tasks due only to the OS. i.e. low overhead
That's what I meant, too, plus the better memory and HDD management of
Linux.
Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
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This way I can run POV-Ray using a simple telnet client. Then I'll just need
a very narrow bandwidth internet connection to run POV-Ray on a remote
render farm or something!
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Apache <apa### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> This way I can run POV-Ray using a simple telnet client. Then I'll just need
> a very narrow bandwidth internet connection to run POV-Ray on a remote
> render farm or something!
Wouldn't Linux (or any other Unix) be better for this purpose anyways?
(With a proper Unix you can even build a cluster from all your computers
so that they are transparently connected so that they look like one computer
with many processors.)
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Apache <apa### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> I'm wondering if there will be a dos-version of 3.5 available in the
future?
I am currently running a DJGPP compile of POV 3.5, and apart from disabling
the fancy text interface (rather than going to the trouble of debugging)
I've had no problems with it (including support for long file names and full
graphics previews).
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It's clear to me that you haven't read the book "Fun with Microsoft
Windows".
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Apache <apa### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>> This way I can run POV-Ray using a simple telnet client. Then I'll
>> just need a very narrow bandwidth internet connection to run POV-Ray
>> on a remote render farm or something!
>
> Wouldn't Linux (or any other Unix) be better for this purpose
> anyways? (With a proper Unix you can even build a cluster from all
> your computers so that they are transparently connected so that they
> look like one computer with many processors.)
how exactly would that help anyone running povray....
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Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:
> how exactly would that help anyone running povray....
The effect of having a clustering OS is that you effectively see the whole
cluster is if it was one computer with several processors. Thus, you just run
several instances of povray as if you were in a computer with several
processors. No telnet/ssh/whatever needed, no complicated distribution
scripts needed. Just run povray and that's it. The system will automatically
distribute the different instances among the different computers.
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On 26 Jun 2002 08:28:50 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> The effect of having a clustering OS is that you effectively see the whole
> cluster is if it was one computer with several processors. Thus, you just run
> several instances of povray as if you were in a computer with several
> processors. No telnet/ssh/whatever needed, no complicated distribution
> scripts needed.
And how it share radiosity file when two instances render the same scene on
different processors ? I'm reffering to :
http://news.povray.org/3cb1f6a3%40news.povray.org
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:38:21 +1000, "Chris Colefax"
<chr### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Apache <apa### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> > I'm wondering if there will be a dos-version of 3.5 available in the future?
>
> I am currently running a DJGPP compile of POV 3.5
Will be your settings available in standard distribution of sources ?
ABX
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Włodzimierz ABX Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg> wrote:
> And how it share radiosity file when two instances render the same scene on
> different processors ?
Whatever the solution is, it's no different whether you are using
a clustering OS or not. The clustering OS just makes it easier to share
common data.
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"Chris Colefax" <chr### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in
news:3d190cdb@news.povray.org:
> I am currently running a DJGPP compile of POV 3.5, and apart from
> disabling the fancy text interface (rather than going to the trouble
> of debugging) I've had no problems with it (including support for long
> file names and full graphics previews).
I would be _very_ greatfull for link to full DJGPP-compilnt pov sources (or
for emailing it to raf### [at] raf256com, quote is 40 mb)
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Rafal 'Raf256' Maj wrote:
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> [...]
>
> I would be _very_ greatfull for link to full DJGPP-compilnt pov sources (or
> for emailing it to raf### [at] raf256com, quote is 40 mb)
The generic linux sources should compile fairly straightforward with
DJGPP, that's what it is for...
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On 26 Jun 2002 14:42:21 -0400, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <raf### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> I would be _very_ greatfull for link to full DJGPP-compilnt pov sources (or
> for emailing it to raf### [at] raf256com, quote is 40 mb)
You probably noticed 3.5 sources are not released yet. Unix generic sources
for 3.1g are almost ready for djgpp. Have you any problem with it? Perhaps
some help You can find via http://news.povray.org/search/?s=djgpp
ABX
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Rick [Kitty5] wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> Apache <apa### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>>> This way I can run POV-Ray using a simple telnet client. Then I'll
>>> just need a very narrow bandwidth internet connection to run POV-Ray
>>> on a remote render farm or something!
>>
>> Wouldn't Linux (or any other Unix) be better for this purpose
>> anyways? (With a proper Unix you can even build a cluster from all
>> your computers so that they are transparently connected so that they
>> look like one computer with many processors.)
>
> how exactly would that help anyone running povray....
>
The workload would be shared among the nodes, making much faster than using
one single machine.
I saw a beast like this running, and it was amazing. The cluster was just
for demo, so it was made of cheap machines, and there were just 3 of them -
but its the difference that matters, right?
To render an image:
With just the master -> 70 seg (using both processors)
With the master (both processors) and the two slaves -> 21 sec
Hardware:
Master: Dual Pentium III 550
384 MB
Slave: Single Pentium III 650 EB
256 MB
Software: PovRay
Image: SkyVase.pov
SO: RedHat Linux 7.1 and Conectiva Linux 7.0
The machines were connected by fast ethernet, and a switch.
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Marcelo Rodrigues <sem### [at] obrigadocom> wrote:
>>>> This way I can run POV-Ray using a simple telnet client. Then I'll
>>>> just need a very narrow bandwidth internet connection to run POV-
>>>> Ray on a remote render farm or something!
>>>
>>> Wouldn't Linux (or any other Unix) be better for this purpose
>>> anyways? (With a proper Unix you can even build a cluster from all
>>> your computers so that they are transparently connected so that they
>>> look like one computer with many processors.)
>>
>> how exactly would that help anyone running povray....
>>
>
> The workload would be shared among the nodes, making much faster than
> using one single machine.
not applicapable to current version / features of povray.
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> W³odzimierz ABX Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg> wrote:
>> And how it share radiosity file when two instances render the same
>> scene on different processors ?
>
> Whatever the solution is, it's no different whether you are using
> a clustering OS or not. The clustering OS just makes it easier to
> share common data.
not that its hard to share common data with a non clustering OS
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Rick [Kitty5] <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote:
> not applicapable to current version / features of povray.
Why not? Run several instances.
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#macro M(A,N,D,L)plane{-z,-9pigment{mandel L*9translate N color_map{[0rgb x]
[1rgb 9]}scale<D,D*3D>*1e3}rotate y*A*8}#end M(-3<1.206434.28623>70,7)M(
-1<.7438.1795>1,20)M(1<.77595.13699>30,20)M(3<.75923.07145>80,99)// - Warp -
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Włodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:
> So start two instances on cluster to render radiosity animation:
> First instance for frames 1-50
> Second instance for frames 51-100
> How many radiosity files will be created ?
> I have no access to such cluster. I'm really interested in results.
1. When you are crossposting, please set a F'up2.
2. The subject has nothing to do with the contents, so it should be changed.
3. I don't think this is a platform specific thing, so it's OT in both
groups. F'up2 povray.general.
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Rick [Kitty5] wrote:
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>> The workload would be shared among the nodes, making much faster than
>> using one single machine.
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> not applicapable to current version / features of povray.
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>
Well, here's the link. The site is brazilian so its in portuguese, but the
screenshots of povray are all in english. Hope it helps.
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>Well, here's the link.
*where* is that link?
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Apache
POV-Ray Cloth experiments: http://geitenkaas.dns2go.com/experiments/
Email: apa### [at] yahoocom
ICQ: 146690431
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Apache wrote:
>>Well, here's the link.
> *where* is that link?
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> Apache
> POV-Ray Cloth experiments: http://geitenkaas.dns2go.com/experiments/
> Email: apa### [at] yahoocom
> ICQ: 146690431
Sorry, my bad. (Ooops!)
Here is the link:
http://www.underlinux.com.br/modules.php?name=Sections&sop=viewarticle&artid=100
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thanks! :-)
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Apache
POV-Ray Cloth experiments: http://geitenkaas.dns2go.com/experiments/
Email: apa### [at] yahoocom
ICQ: 146690431
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