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From: LibraryMan
Subject: the color printing question again
Date: 18 Dec 2002 10:44:03
Message: <3E0097E2.167176C3@att.net>
I posted this I think about a year ago, maybe on another povray list,
and got not much of a response, so I'm trying again.  
Are any of you pov-win users able to print out your code with COLOR
printing of the syntax highlighting?  I can't get it to work on mine
(don't even know where to look for checking the option)?

Thanks,
Library Man


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From: ABX
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 18 Dec 2002 10:57:42
Message: <8h610vgkvr56b2hhd09golvl5okh89agmf@4ax.com>
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:44:34 -0500, LibraryMan <mrm### [at] attnet> wrote:
> I posted this I think about a year ago, maybe on another povray list,
> and got not much of a response, so I'm trying again.  
> Are any of you pov-win users able to print out your code with COLOR
> printing of the syntax highlighting?  I can't get it to work on mine
> (don't even know where to look for checking the option)?

http://members.home.nl/seedseven/#povsdl2html
http://mitglied.lycos.de/lpvader/pov2html/form.html
http://www.palfrader.org/code2html/

ABX


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From: LibraryMan
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 18 Dec 2002 11:47:31
Message: <3E00A6C2.5FC2DAE5@att.net>
ABX wrote:
> 
> http://members.home.nl/seedseven/#povsdl2html


If "http://members.home.nl/seedseven/worshipmachine.html" is an example
of the typical output, stripped of any of my original text formatting,
then UGH!

--Mark


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From: LibraryMan
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 18 Dec 2002 11:48:42
Message: <3E00A709.FB0394D8@att.net>
ABX wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:44:34 -0500, LibraryMan <mrm### [at] attnet> wrote:
> > I posted this I think about a year ago, maybe on another povray list,
> > and got not much of a response, so I'm trying again.
> > Are any of you pov-win users able to print out your code with COLOR
> > printing of the syntax highlighting?  I can't get it to work on mine
> > (don't even know where to look for checking the option)?
> 
> http://members.home.nl/seedseven/#povsdl2html
> http://mitglied.lycos.de/lpvader/pov2html/form.html
> http://www.palfrader.org/code2html/
> 
> ABX

I suppose then that the existence of such workarounds implies that this
is not a native ability to the WinPOV GUI...
Feature suggestion?

---Mark


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From: hughes, b 
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 18 Dec 2002 17:19:27
Message: <3e00f46f@news.povray.org>
"LibraryMan" <mrm### [at] attnet> wrote in message
news:3E00A709.FB0394D8@att.net...
>
> I suppose then that the existence of such workarounds implies that this
> is not a native ability to the WinPOV GUI...
> Feature suggestion?
>
> ---Mark

I'm guessing you might be Mark Wilson.

I have tried to find something about color printing from the CodeMax editor
in a Google search and nothing seems to be said for certain.

I still think I had printed a couple pov files with the syntax colors intact
when using my Epson Stylus Color that had the ability to do PostScript.
There's no other way I can imagine I had done that, except for the
documentation, but that isn't the same thing and wouldn't look the same as
the monitor shows anyway. At least I sure don't remember any exact examples
placed in the older Doc.

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Farewell,
Bob


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From: LibraryMan
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 19 Dec 2002 15:16:07
Message: <3E02291F.E47D1E16@att.net>
"hughes, b." wrote:

> I'm guessing you might be Mark Wilson.

In the virtual flesh!

I still think it's kind of odd that no one from the POV team has
commented on this issue definitively--
or at least a faithful user who's tracked POV-win since (its) birth! 
 
BTW, I appreciate the links someone suggested about python & perl
scripts to convert the POV code to HTML, but even that seems like more
trouble than ought to be necessary.  I mean, he||, they (the POV coders)
kept the +ud switch, and that doesn't seem to serve any MORE of a
productive purpose! ;-)
--Mark


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 19 Dec 2002 20:56:46
Message: <3E027976.EC6EFD8A@pacbell.net>
LibraryMan wrote:
> 
> "hughes, b." wrote:
> 
> > I'm guessing you might be Mark Wilson.
> 
> In the virtual flesh!
> 
> I still think it's kind of odd that no one from the POV team has
> commented on this issue definitively--
> or at least a faithful user who's tracked POV-win since (its) birth!

I suspect Chris Cason is more concerned with the usability of the actual
coding environment than he is about your ability to have pretty print-outs,
but I am only guessing.

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: LibraryMan
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 20 Dec 2002 11:30:46
Message: <3E0345B4.214FBD31@att.net>
Ken wrote:
> 

> I suspect Chris Cason is more concerned with the usability of the actual
> coding environment than he is about your ability to have pretty print-outs,
> but I am only guessing.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler


I actually am /not/ trying to be capricious or superficial about this
issue. I respect and am genuinely grateful for the efforts that have
been made to provide a usable coding environment (in my heart of hearts,
I confess I prefer the WinPOV GUI to POV'ing on vim under Linux, and
wish I had the setup to do something comparable under my preferred
platform),  but I *also* like to think about and work on my project away
from the screen, and am indeed often in situations where I can't
feasibly access it.
  
Having a "pretty printout" /would/ actually be helpful; if color syntax
highlighting were pointless, no one would have bothered to code it in to
the screen env., would they?

--Mark


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 20 Dec 2002 12:27:26
Message: <3e0352fe@news.povray.org>
In article <3E0345B4.214FBD31@att.net> , LibraryMan <mrm### [at] attnet>  wrote:

> Having a "pretty printout" /would/ actually be helpful; if color syntax
> highlighting were pointless, no one would have bothered to code it in to
> the screen env., would they?

You know that each color printout will easily cost you five times what the
black printout costs you, right?

    Thorsten

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: the color printing question again
Date: 20 Dec 2002 13:02:35
Message: <3E035B3B.CDFC0842@gmx.de>
LibraryMan wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> I still think it's kind of odd that no one from the POV team has
> commented on this issue definitively--
> or at least a faithful user who's tracked POV-win since (its) birth!

I think you have a somewhat strange understanding of priorities here. 
This might seem an extremely useful feature for you but maybe you should
have spent a bit more time on trying ABX's suggestions.

Let me formulate it this way: There are a real lot of high quality tools
nicely printing HTML so it is a very efficient approach to have a
customizable converter for POV-SDL code to HTML and leave the printing to
a different program.  I wonder if you even tried Ingo's povsdl2html.  It
is highly customizeable with style sheets and you have a WYSIWYG preview
in the Browser - implementing such things inside the POV-Ray IDE (and this
on several platforms) would be a real lot of work the POV-Team could
better spend on other things.

Win-POV already has support for integrating 3rd party tools into the tools
menu so there won't be a problem adding an entry calling the converter and
opening the resulting file in a browser.

Christoph

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