I've recently installed the latest Mandrake and I still have problems
accessing the newsgroups through http with Mozilla. Yes, cookies are
enabled. IIRC it didn't work for me in gentoo linux either.
http://news.povray.org just throws me to the welcome/settings page every
time, clicking the button at the bottom just reloads that page. Some time
last year I started a thread about this here but I can't find that, so
sorry if it has already been answered.

Is the web interface designed to only work with Windows/IE? (Don't flame, it
was just a joke. Sort of.)

Gergely

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On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 08:45:55 -0400, Gergely Vandor wrote:

> I've recently installed the latest Mandrake and I still have problems
> accessing the newsgroups through http with Mozilla. Yes, cookies are
> enabled. IIRC it didn't work for me in gentoo linux either.
> http://news.povray.org just throws me to the welcome/settings page every
> time, clicking the button at the bottom just reloads that page. Some time
> last year I started a thread about this here but I can't find that, so
> sorry if it has already been answered.
> 
> Is the web interface designed to only work with Windows/IE? (Don't flame,
> it was just a joke. Sort of.)
> 
> Gergely

Hmm. Works here with Moz 1.3 built from source, so it's not IE only ;)
What version of Mozilla are you using?

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PoD wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 08:45:55 -0400, Gergely Vandor wrote:
>
>> I've recently installed the latest Mandrake and I still have problems
>> accessing the newsgroups through http with Mozilla. Yes, cookies are
>
>Hmm. Works here with Moz 1.3 built from source, so it's not IE only ;)
>What version of Mozilla are you using?
>

Ooops, it works now, but I swear it didn't. Sorry.

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Gergely Vandor wrote:
> I've recently installed the latest Mandrake and I still have problems
> accessing the newsgroups through http with Mozilla. Yes, cookies are
> enabled. IIRC it didn't work for me in gentoo linux either.
> http://news.povray.org just throws me to the welcome/settings page every
> time, clicking the button at the bottom just reloads that page. Some time
> last year I started a thread about this here but I can't find that, so
> sorry if it has already been answered.
> 
> Is the web interface designed to only work with Windows/IE? (Don't flame, it
> was just a joke. Sort of.)
> 
> Gergely
> 

I know the POV-Ray web designers would never intend to target a
particular platform.

Unfortunately, I am also experiencing what is happening to you
using Mozilla. If I go to http://news.povray.org and click the
Enter the Groups button at the bottom, I just get taken back
to the Welcome screen.

If I go to http://www.povray.org/resources/newsgroups and
click on any of the direct webview links then I can get to
the web view of the newsgroups (i.e. 
http://news.povray.org/povray.general works).

I've duplicated this behavior in a self-compiled version of
Mozilla 1.2.1 on Gentoo Linux and a freshly downloaded binary
version of Mozilla 1.3 on Windows 98. It also loops back in
Phoenix 0.5 but that browser is based on the same engine as
Mozilla.

It works fine in Konqueror 3.1.1 (Linux) and IE 5.0 (Windows).
And believe or not, it works fine in Netscape 4.79 (Linux).

So my suspicion is that there's something weird with Mozilla's
handling of it. Btw, http://news.povray.org passes the W3C
html validator so I would have expected Mozilla to handle the
site correctly.

Since the site works with Mozilla 1.3.1 for PoD, I will grab
that, compile it and give it a test. Mozilla isn't a quick
compile so I may be a while before reporting the results ;)

-Roz

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Gergely Vandor wrote:
> PoD wrote:
> 
>>On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 08:45:55 -0400, Gergely Vandor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I've recently installed the latest Mandrake and I still have problems
>>>accessing the newsgroups through http with Mozilla. Yes, cookies are
>>
>>Hmm. Works here with Moz 1.3 built from source, so it's not IE only ;)
>>What version of Mozilla are you using?
>>
> 
> 
> Ooops, it works now, but I swear it didn't. Sorry.
> 

What version of Mozilla are you using? I feel like I am in the
Twilight Zone ;)

-Roz

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Roz, I see what you see.
Mozilla 1.4a, Copyright (c) 2003 mozilla.org, build 2003040214
Bill

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In article <3e9846a7$1@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscapenet>  wrote:

> So my suspicion is that there's something weird with Mozilla's
> handling of it. Btw, http://news.povray.org passes the W3C
> html validator so I would have expected Mozilla to handle the
> site correctly.

It isn't the HTML that is the problem, it is your security settings, which
are a bit more than is useful on the web if you intend to use any online
commercial service (booking, buying, registering, etc).  The POV-Ray web
news view simply employs the same technologies to keep spam-bots out.

> Since the site works with Mozilla 1.3.1 for PoD, I will grab
> that, compile it and give it a test. Mozilla isn't a quick
> compile so I may be a while before reporting the results ;)

Well, you most likely have wrong settings for cookies; they not only need to
be accepted, but also send back to the server.  Maybe some default installs
of Mozilla come with useless over-secure settings for cookies (that will not
work with any popular websites).

    Thorsten

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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> In article <3e9846a7$1@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscapenet>  wrote:
> 
> 
>>So my suspicion is that there's something weird with Mozilla's
>>handling of it. Btw, http://news.povray.org passes the W3C
>>html validator so I would have expected Mozilla to handle the
>>site correctly.
> 
> 
> It isn't the HTML that is the problem, it is your security settings, which
> are a bit more than is useful on the web if you intend to use any online
> commercial service (booking, buying, registering, etc).  The POV-Ray web
> news view simply employs the same technologies to keep spam-bots out.

I did not say it was a problem with the HTML. I said I suspected it was
a problem with the way Mozilla was handling the site. I haven't run into
problems with commercial sites unless they've used some Java that seems
to only work with MS's JVM, which does not apply to news.povray.org.

> 
>>Since the site works with Mozilla 1.3.1 for PoD, I will grab
>>that, compile it and give it a test. Mozilla isn't a quick
>>compile so I may be a while before reporting the results ;)
> 
> 
> Well, you most likely have wrong settings for cookies; they not only need to
> be accepted, but also send back to the server.  Maybe some default installs
> of Mozilla come with useless over-secure settings for cookies (that will not
> work with any popular websites).

I don't think there's such a thing as "wrong" cookie settings, just
perhaps incompatible ones. I suspected that which is why I tested
the site with all cookies enabled before even posting in this thread.

"Popular websites" is a very subjective statement but I really have
not run into problems with other sites. Perhaps you could provide
a URL for one of these popular sites that employes the same
technologies that http://news.povray.org uses when the Enter to
Groups button is clicked.

I have not said in this thread that the problem is the povray
site and if you got a different impression then I am sorry
about that. The problem definitely lies with Mozilla, either
with the browser itself or my (and several other peoples')
configuration. Since Mozilla is working correctly for some,
I am trying to find out what the differences could be including
getting a newer version compiled and installed.

-Roz

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Roz wrote:
> I have not said in this thread that the problem is the povray
> site and if you got a different impression then I am sorry
> about that. The problem definitely lies with Mozilla, either
> with the browser itself or my (and several other peoples')
> configuration. Since Mozilla is working correctly for some,
> I am trying to find out what the differences could be including
> getting a newer version compiled and installed.

Ok, Moz 1.3 finished compiling and installing. Looks good, but
still some weirdness with the http://news.povray.org page.

If I first try to go to http://news.povray.org/povray.unix
the Welcome page comes up instead. Then if I click the Enter
the Newsgroups button I can get in and the povray.unix one
comes up. So Mozilla does seem to get it right at some point ;)

-Roz

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In article <3e98635f@news.povray.org> , Roz <rzl### [at] netscapenet>  wrote:

> "Popular websites" is a very subjective statement but I really have
> not run into problems with other sites. Perhaps you could provide
> a URL for one of these popular sites that employes the same
> technologies that http://news.povray.org uses when the Enter to
> Groups button is clicked.

amazon.com (shopping cart), yahoo.com (all registion based services),
nytimes.com (registration to view articles), cnn.com (user tracking),
ebay.com (all registion based services), etc, etc,...

    Thorsten

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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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