As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.

It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]

In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.

Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
term, since this is when their time will be needed most.

Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
povray.general] or email me direct.

regards,

-- Chris

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If WTL can be used for this, then I can do it easily.  I've done a lot of 
Windows SDK stuff lately direct without MFC in any event.

  I'm on vacation next Wednesday, however, so I don't know how fast I can do 
it.

  I have done some Moray development too, so I may even be somewhat familiar 
with some of the data structures, in a small way.  This should be all GUI 
stuff though.

           == John ==

  The email address is an alumni benefit, @cornell.edu and redirects to my 
(current) work address.

"Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in 
message news:47d666ff$1@news.povray.org...
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code 
> base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to 
> the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than 
> later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

I'm familiar with VS 2005, and a CSC major.. Unfortunately, my studies take up
most of my free time (Free time being defined as any not spent in class) but
I'd love to help any way I can.  How proficient would I need to be?

A.D.B.

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John D. Gwinner wrote:
>   If WTL can be used for this, then I can do it easily.  I've done a lot of 
> Windows SDK stuff lately direct without MFC in any event.
> 
>   I'm on vacation next Wednesday, however, so I don't know how fast I can do 
> it.
> 
>   I have done some Moray development too, so I may even be somewhat familiar 
> with some of the data structures, in a small way.  This should be all GUI 
> stuff though.

Thanks for the offer; I'll drop you an email direct.

regards,

-- Chris

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Anthony D. Baye wrote:
> I'm familiar with VS 2005, and a CSC major.. Unfortunately, my studies take up
> most of my free time (Free time being defined as any not spent in class) but
> I'd love to help any way I can.  How proficient would I need to be?

For the fixing, enough to work out what the missing functionality is and to
find a way to replace it via another means (or see if the program can be
used without it). Probably not that hard in terms of C++ per se.

-- Chris

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I heard of this on FLOSS Weekly and I can offer some time, I think this stuff is
great. I am not a C++ programmer but do know C and Java. I do have a Math degree
and do program for a living. I would be willing to do testing, documentation and
any programming that would be useful. I have recently pulled down the beta and
what a difference.

-Peter

Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

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PdizzyD <pet### [at] amxinccom> wrote:
> I am not a C++ programmer but do know C and Java.

  I'm sorry if I sound blunt, but personally I would recommend having
real C++ experience. Both C and Java experience are actually rather
counter-productive for someone who then tries to program in C++ for
the first time (and the combination of both C and Java may make things
even worse).

  This is because programming practices which are good in C, and especially
programming practices which are good in Java, are often programming practices
which are bad in C++. C++ may resemble both C and Java, but it really isn't.
What may be a good idea in one of those latter languages may often be a bad
idea in C++.

  Please don't take this personally. I just have seen C++ code written by
Java programmers which has been quite horrible. (I'm not saying you would
create such code, but it seems to be a common trend. Java simply teaches
"bad habits" from the point of view of C++ programming.)

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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Warp escribió:
> Java simply teaches "bad habits" from the point of view of C++ programming.)

Like using way more classes than are usually used in C++? Or what 
exactly are you thinking of?

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> Warp escribió:
> > Java simply teaches "bad habits" from the point of view of C++ programming.)

> Like using way more classes than are usually used in C++? Or what 
> exactly are you thinking of?

  No. Like using 'new' way too much.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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Warp escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
>> Warp escribió:
>>> Java simply teaches "bad habits" from the point of view of C++ programming.)
> 
>> Like using way more classes than are usually used in C++? Or what 
>> exactly are you thinking of?
> 
>   No. Like using 'new' way too much.

Ah heh...

I almost-did it a few times when I started working on a C++ project 
after having done Java for a while. When throwing exceptions.
throw new Whatever... Oh wait, no new here.

Likewise, trying to compare strings in Java using ==, after having done 
PHP. I wish I could make Eclipse warn about that.

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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

Chris -

I can take a crack at this. I can get it up and running in relatively short
order and provide guidance on cross-platform-ing it down the road.

I have the next week (after Easter) off from teaching, so I'll have the most
amount of time then.

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Calvin wrote:
> I can take a crack at this. I can get it up and running in relatively short
> order and provide guidance on cross-platform-ing it down the road.
> 
> I have the next week (after Easter) off from teaching, so I'll have the most
> amount of time then.

Hi,

Can you contact me via email please? I don't have your email address handy.

-- Chris

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Calvin wrote:
> I have the next week (after Easter) off from teaching, so I'll have the most
> amount of time then.

PS apologies for only replying this weekend - I realise the above week is
already over, but I only just today caught up with the newsgroup.

-- Chris

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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

I would be happy to help if I knew something of C++.
Alas!
Why not put emphasis on the home page?
This is a good message for anyone!

Thanks for your work.

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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.

Chris, did you ever find anyone to take care of this? I remember meeting Lutz at
the SIGGRAPH in Orlando, FL in the mid 90s and talking to him about the Moray
code, he was so enthusiatic.

I've been using Visual C++ since v1.0 and I use Visual Studio every day (I
upgraded to VS 2008 a couple of months ago but it's fully compatible with VS
2005). I'd be happy to help out if needed.

-Rob

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Robert McGregor wrote:
> Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
>> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
>> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
>> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
>> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
>> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
>> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
>> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
>> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
> 
> Chris, did you ever find anyone to take care of this? I remember meeting Lutz at
> the SIGGRAPH in Orlando, FL in the mid 90s and talking to him about the Moray
> code, he was so enthusiatic.
> 
> I've been using Visual C++ since v1.0 and I use Visual Studio every day (I
> upgraded to VS 2008 a couple of months ago but it's fully compatible with VS
> 2005). I'd be happy to help out if needed.

I only just saw this message (the thread had scrolled out of view). Thanks
for the offer - I'll drop you an email.

-- Chris

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+1 to WTL. Great way to quickly code UI in C++.

I'm hitting an annoying bug in Moray and went to download the source and fix but
found this thread instead.

If this project is still under-staffed, then I'd like to contribute. I'm worked
on shipping products using VC 2005, C++, WTL.

Contact me directly and I'll give resume details.

tni### [at] poboxcom


"John D. Gwinner" <john punctuation gwinner punc cornell punc edu> wrote:
> If WTL can be used for this, then I can do it easily.  I've done a lot of
> Windows SDK stuff lately direct without MFC in any event.
>
>   I'm on vacation next Wednesday, however, so I don't know how fast I can do
> it.
>
>   I have done some Moray development too, so I may even be somewhat familiar
> with some of the data structures, in a small way.  This should be all GUI
> stuff though.
>
>            == John ==
>
>   The email address is an alumni benefit, @cornell.edu and redirects to my
> (current) work address.
>
> "Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
> message news:47d666ff$1@news.povray.org...
> > As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code
> > base.
> > We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> > However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> > component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> > get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> > proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> > needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> > with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
> >
> > It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> > platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> > at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to
> > the
> > full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than
> > later;]
> >
> > In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> > who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> > here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
> >
> > Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> > devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> > term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
> >
> > Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> > povray.general] or email me direct.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > -- Chris

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TomN wrote:
> +1 to WTL. Great way to quickly code UI in C++.
> 
> I'm hitting an annoying bug in Moray and went to download the source and fix but
> found this thread instead.
> 
> If this project is still under-staffed, then I'd like to contribute. I'm worked
> on shipping products using VC 2005, C++, WTL.
> 
> Contact me directly and I'll give resume details.
> 
> tni### [at] poboxcom

thanks, I'll drop you a line.

regards,

-- Chris

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> PdizzyD <pet### [at] amxinccom> wrote:
> > I am not a C++ programmer but do know C and Java.
>
>   I'm sorry if I sound blunt, but personally I would recommend having
> real C++ experience. Both C and Java experience are actually rather
> counter-productive for someone who then tries to program in C++ for
> the first time (and the combination of both C and Java may make things
> even worse).
>
>   This is because programming practices which are good in C, and especially
> programming practices which are good in Java, are often programming practices
> which are bad in C++. C++ may resemble both C and Java, but it really isn't.
> What may be a good idea in one of those latter languages may often be a bad
> idea in C++.
>
>   Please don't take this personally. I just have seen C++ code written by
> Java programmers which has been quite horrible. (I'm not saying you would
> create such code, but it seems to be a common trend. Java simply teaches
> "bad habits" from the point of view of C++ programming.)
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

I have almost 20 years experience with C++, if you are still looking.

   -EdK

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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

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Hello, I am Eric Mille from France . By the past I was a Moray 3D user (1999) I
am prommamer too. I would like to do a modeler for povray based on Moray . Yet
the project is called POVmax.
I want to use Code Typhon Studio 7.70 ( GLscenes components ) to do this . I
would like to know if it's possible to obtain a copy of Moray's project. I think
Moray is easyer to use than BLENDER.

waiting for your answer, best regards,

Eric.

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