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From: jr
Subject: Re: What the he?? is going on with Russia?
Date: 28 Mar 2022 03:40:00
Message: <web.624165db17110cc6fc0c8de6cde94f1@news.povray.org>
hi,

Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 24/03/2022 om 23:08 schreef Leroy:
> > ...
> > It look like the old MAD(mutual assured destruction) doesn't work with a
> > mad man.
> >
> No. Not mad.

not that it would matter if either side considered itself "sane", engaging in
assured destruction.  :-)

and perhaps, given US "culture" is at the centre so often, and thinking about
The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy's ('Television, the Drug of the Nation')
lyrics, perhaps it's time someone actually leaned on the "red button", get over
and done with, so to speak.
(excerpt)
  T.V. is the reason why less than ten percent of our
  Nation reads books daily
  Why most people think Central America
  means Kansas
  Socialism means unamerican
  and Apartheid is a new headache remedy


> Reasons are geopolitical going back a very long way, ...
> Ponder on this for instance:

> 1997
>

> Cold War, should East-West relations become centered on the question of
> who would be allied with whom and, by implication, against whom in some
> fanciful, totally unforeseeable and most improbable future military


yes, found this graphic on the BBC early this year.  .. striking.


regards, jr.


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: What the he?? is going on with Russia?
Date: 28 Mar 2022 06:40:00
Message: <web.62418f5517110cc61f9dae3025979125@news.povray.org>
Very nice, Gentlemen.

Now make the next step and consider the possibility that the "sides" in this may
only be two tentacles of the same octopus.

Qui bono?

No one likes you digging for those answers, and people often don't like the
answers that they start to come up with.   But it's a start, when you realize
that The Great and Powerful Oz is an illusion, and you start to pull back the
curtain.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: What the he?? is going on with Russia?
Date: 28 Mar 2022 08:48:01
Message: <6241ae81$1@news.povray.org>
Op 28-3-2022 om 12:35 schreef Bald Eagle:
> Very nice, Gentlemen.
> 
> Now make the next step and consider the possibility that the "sides" in this may
> only be two tentacles of the same octopus.
> 
> Qui bono?
> 
> No one likes you digging for those answers, and people often don't like the
> answers that they start to come up with.   But it's a start, when you realize
> that The Great and Powerful Oz is an illusion, and you start to pull back the
> curtain.
> 

Obviously. The octopus has many names and many avatars. "Magic Wands" in 
action are called macro-economy, supra- or multinational-economic (and 
military) powers/industries, geopolitics through economic pressure, and 
more. The Marshall Plan was nothing more than a way to block URSS to 
take over Europe after WW2 (and we gladly got thirty years of economic 
growth, including this time, it should be especially mentioned, 
vanquished Germany, while the US secured its own economic and military 
supremacy). We generally forget however, to take care of (and include) 
the /losers/ from major conflicts, like Germany from WW1, like Russia 
from the Cold War, with the ultimate unavoidable consequence of a new 
conflict like WW2 with the former, and Ukraine from the later.

A lot of shortcuts here, I am afraid, and very global generalised views, 
but we should pay better attention to the lessons of history.

[and now I shut up. I have said what I had to say]

-- 
Thomas


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From: Dick Balaska
Subject: Re: What the he?? is going on with Russia?
Date: 28 Mar 2022 17:53:59
Message: <62422e77$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/28/2022 06:35, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Very nice, Gentlemen.
> 
> Now make the next step and consider the possibility that the "sides" in this may
> only be two tentacles of the same octopus.
> 

I think Zelensky was wicked smart in understanding this and not asking 
for direct intervention.

dik


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