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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Darren New" <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote in message
> news:4829fdb7$1@news.povray.org...
>> Gail Shaw wrote:
>>> When I visited the US recently, I was very surprised by the adverts for
>>> perscription drugs on TV.
>> The laws on this changed just a few years ago, actually.
>
> To allow it, or to restrict it?
> I was there Sept last year.
To allow it. Maybe 3 to 5 years ago, if I recall correctly.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 14:57:13 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Gail Shaw wrote:
>> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
>> news:4829fdb7$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Gail Shaw wrote:
>>>> When I visited the US recently, I was very surprised by the adverts
>>>> for perscription drugs on TV.
>>> The laws on this changed just a few years ago, actually.
>>
>> To allow it, or to restrict it?
>> I was there Sept last year.
>
> To allow it. Maybe 3 to 5 years ago, if I recall correctly.
that sounds about right.
Jim
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:30:33 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
>> Obviously the TV commercials are giving people the idea that they can
>> take SSRI/SNRIs for nearly any problem causing anxiety or depression.
>
> In the US you need to get doctors to approve almost everything. I'm not
> sure I could call this the sole fault of the phama companies.
But when the pharma company sends out pamphlets to the doctors claiming
all of these things that the medicine is good for, and then send reps who
tell the doctors all the 'off label' uses the drug might also be used
for, I wouldn't hold them blameless either.
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 09:17:57 -0700, stbenge wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Tue, 13 May 2008 10:58:06 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg>
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> alphaQuad <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duloxetine
>>>
>>> I was just wondering why should this be of any interest to us.
>>
>> What, you mean you're not interested in Duloxetine? How can you not be
>> interested in Duloxetine? Isn't everyone interested and talking about
>> Duloxetine? What the hell is Duloxetine anyway?
>
> "Duloxetine is a SNRI (selective serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake
> inhibitor)." ..."a drug which is indicated for major depressive
> disorder"
>
> Has it not occurred to you that AQ might actually be warning you, so you
> won't take a harmful drug in the future? You aren't judging a man by his
> style of information dispensation, are you?
>
> SSRI/SNRIs are *not* the wonder drugs the pharmaceuticals would have you
> think they are. I've experienced SSRI-induced psychosis myself, although
> I'll admit I was wrongly diagnosed at the time. Simple precaution could
> have saved me a lot of trouble, a vehicle, a driver's license, and six
> months.
>
> Here's something I picked up from Googling. I'm sure there are plenty
> more like it:
> http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/Miscellaneous/MRadmissions.html
>
>> And what the heck has this got to do with TV commercials evil or
>> otherwise?
>
> Obviously the TV commercials are giving people the idea that they can
> take SSRI/SNRIs for nearly any problem causing anxiety or depression. If
> the 8% figure given by that article I linked to has any truth to it,
> society could be heading for disaster at any given moment, should a
> trigger occur...
>
> Sam
There was an article just recently, http://medicine.plosjournals.org/
perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0050045 that
did a meta-analysis on previous drug studies. The findings were that
SSRIs were not any more effective then placebos in mild to moderately
depressed patients. It makes sense, since placebos do have a greater
effect on subjective symptoms then on objective ones, and depression
still seems to be a subjective reaction to chemicals.
I don't agree with AQ that all of the SSRIs are toxic, but they are just
too widely over prescribed for things that don't require heavy chemical
treatment. They aren't the wonder drugs that the media viewing public is
being told that they are.
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:35:02 -0400, Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> but they are just
> too widely over prescribed
This is true of many drugs in general, IMHO.
Just look at the number of Ritalin scripts written in the 90's in the
US. Many of the kids who this (or other ADD-"fighting" drugs) was
prescribed for didn't actually need it.
My stepson went to a school for gifted ADD and highly-distractable
students, many of whom were on various drugs for their conditions - and
while I'm no MD, it was clear to me that many of them were just very
active kids with parents who wanted their kids to be "less active".
There probably was a percentage who actually *needed* the drug, but I
wouldn't hesitate to say that all of them didn't need it - though I
certainly wouldn't be the one to decide who got it and who didn't.
Today we have so many new "medical conditions" that we've got drugs for
it's ridiculous. "Restless Legs Syndrome"? Are you f-ing kidding me?
People who "suffer" from that sound to me like they need to go and get
some exercise. (And I do get it from time to time - usually after taking
Benedryl for my allergies or Tylenol PM - but in both cases, it's only
the tabs that do that to me - the capsules don't).
Jim
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And lo on Tue, 13 May 2008 17:17:57 +0100, stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Tue, 13 May 2008 10:58:06 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg>
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> alphaQuad <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duloxetine
>>>
>>> I was just wondering why should this be of any interest to us.
>> What, you mean you're not interested in Duloxetine? How can you not be
>> interested in Duloxetine? Isn't everyone interested and talking about
>> Duloxetine? What the hell is Duloxetine anyway?
>
> "Duloxetine is a SNRI (selective serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake
> inhibitor)." ..."a drug which is indicated for major depressive disorder"
>
> Has it not occurred to you that AQ might actually be warning you, so you
> won't take a harmful drug in the future? You aren't judging a man by his
> style of information dispensation, are you?
Well the odd subject heading, verbatim quotes from Wikipedia and the
redundant ~13KB molecule image don't help, likewise the assumption that
you know exactly what s/he's talking about without any preamble.
> SSRI/SNRIs are *not* the wonder drugs the pharmaceuticals would have you
> think they are. I've experienced SSRI-induced psychosis myself, although
> I'll admit I was wrongly diagnosed at the time. Simple precaution could
> have saved me a lot of trouble, a vehicle, a driver's license, and six
> months.
>
> Here's something I picked up from Googling. I'm sure there are plenty
> more like it:
> http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/Miscellaneous/MRadmissions.html
http://flipc.blogspot.com/2008/02/so-drugs-dont-work.html yes I'm picking
on the headlines more, but I had to do the research to do even that.
>> And what the heck has this got to do with TV commercials evil or
>> otherwise?
>
> Obviously the TV commercials are giving people the idea that they can
> take SSRI/SNRIs for nearly any problem causing anxiety or depression.
What TV commercials? Again it's the assumption we know what's being
discussed here, it's like being thrust into the middle of a conversation.
If this is a prescription drug then we here in the UK won't see ANY
adverts for it, because they're not allowed to. We prefer our doctors to
give out prescription medication based on effectiveness and not which has
the catchiest jingle. Likewise we make the assumption that the doctor with
the years of training may know more about this subject then the patient
who's just seen a thirty-second advert.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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stbenge wrote:
>
> Why are you on it? You're probably not one of the 8% who goes psychotic.
>
> I'm bipolar. Two years ago I was being treated with two antidepressants
> and no mood stabilizers... a bad situation for somebody prone to have
> manic episodes :O
>
Ahh, I'm not bipolar, It's really a long story, but basically it boils
down to a mood disorder (without getting into the details of it) I will
say that it has helped immensely, I'm able to cope with stressful
situations much better.
A bit of a background on all of this:
My one psychotic episode,
Actually, it all sort of started when my first wife left me (a good
cause for depression) Before that had happened, I had known something
wasn't quite "right" with me... I just couldn't place it. A few months
after she left me, I began to hear strange things, like people taunting
me, but I couldn't figure out where or how, it all seemed to be coming
from outside the walls of my house. As it progressed the voices became
more real, I had no insight at the time, I assumed I was psychic. Then,
things sort of spiraled from there. I remember approaching a couple of
sherrif's deputies stating I knew them previously, after wandering the
halls of a rather large church going on about how the CIA was monitoring
everyone with cameras. Everywhere. Seriously paranoid delusions. I
actually believed what I was saying... Only I lied about one thing, it
was the FBI doing the monitoring, not the CIA. They were in
communication with me, through some sort of device. Anyway, I got some
rather strange reactions when I started to warn people about the
"surveillence" The deputy radioed for the local police to come. An
officer interviewed me, and I acted very erratically. I took him to my
car. He asked to search the car, I had no problems with that. He asked
me a couple questions about the contents. I answered the questions. He
asked if I was going to head straight home, I answered affirmatively, he
handed my keys to me and let me go. To this day I do not know why he
didn't toss me in the back of his car and cart me off to the hospital.
There's really way more to it than that. I believed for some time that I
was able to speak telepathically to alien entities as well before I got
help.
Once I was on antidepressants and antipsychotics, I was fine. As time
went by, I found I was better able to handle most situations, and would
respond normally to stress. I went off meds for a while (My current wife
met me while I was on meds, and noticed a huge difference in mood. Some
incidents after the baby was born, and she insisted I return to my
psychiatrist, this time prescribing a different antidepressant. It has
really turned me around. I'm definitely more capable of focusing on the
task at hand, and not letting emotions get control of me. I still feel
emotion, but I can control how I react much better. It was almost like a
missing piece to the puzzle was found and put back.
Anyway, I've rattled on enough ... I have no idea what my likelihood of
another psychotic episode in my lifetime will be, though.
I suppose that's why I get a bit annoyed at alphaQuad's seemingly
paranoid ramblings about pharmaceuticals, because many of these
medications do work when used as intended.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Today we have so many new "medical conditions" that we've got drugs for
> it's ridiculous. "Restless Legs Syndrome"? Are you f-ing kidding me?
> People who "suffer" from that sound to me like they need to go and get
> some exercise. (And I do get it from time to time - usually after taking
> Benedryl for my allergies or Tylenol PM - but in both cases, it's only
> the tabs that do that to me - the capsules don't).
I get like that if I'm really, really sleepy and forcing myself to stay
awake. Sometimes that carries over to when I actually go to bed.
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 07:02:55 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Today we have so many new "medical conditions" that we've got drugs for
>> it's ridiculous. "Restless Legs Syndrome"? Are you f-ing kidding me?
>> People who "suffer" from that sound to me like they need to go and get
>> some exercise. (And I do get it from time to time - usually after
>> taking Benedryl for my allergies or Tylenol PM - but in both cases,
>> it's only the tabs that do that to me - the capsules don't).
>
> I get like that if I'm really, really sleepy and forcing myself to stay
> awake. Sometimes that carries over to when I actually go to bed.
I think a lot of people do. But now we have a name for it and a drug to
treat it...
Jim
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:58:45 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:
> This is true of many drugs in general, IMHO.
>
Yup, at least here in the USA. Every drug has a theme and a catchy new
name for a disorder that's been around for a long time. But the one with
the catchiest words gets prescribed.
> Just look at the number of Ritalin scripts written in the 90's in the
> US. Many of the kids who this (or other ADD-"fighting" drugs) was
> prescribed for didn't actually need it.
>
> My stepson went to a school for gifted ADD and highly-distractable
> students, many of whom were on various drugs for their conditions - and
> while I'm no MD, it was clear to me that many of them were just very
> active kids with parents who wanted their kids to be "less active".
> There probably was a percentage who actually *needed* the drug, but I
> wouldn't hesitate to say that all of them didn't need it - though I
> certainly wouldn't be the one to decide who got it and who didn't.
>
I'm afraid that if I commented on this, I would end up ranting. I'll
leave it as that I agree with you on this point, and lazy parenting seems
to be a source of a lot of issues.
> Today we have so many new "medical conditions" that we've got drugs for
> it's ridiculous. "Restless Legs Syndrome"? Are you f-ing kidding me?
> People who "suffer" from that sound to me like they need to go and get
> some exercise. (And I do get it from time to time - usually after
> taking Benedryl for my allergies or Tylenol PM - but in both cases, it's
> only the tabs that do that to me - the capsules don't).
>
> Jim
Some people can't exercise, so I can see the use of the medication. On a
bad day when I can't walk, my legs get that feeling. And when you can't
walk with two canes and a decent level of opioid compounds in your blood
stream, you just aren't going to get that exercise. On the up side, you
don't notice "RLS" with that level of pain killers, so it doesn't often
become an issue.
Diphenhydramine HCL(Benadryl) gives me the heebeejeebees, plain and
simple. Past seeing spots, even the allergy dose has me seeing cats
walking through walls. Probably why SSRIs give me trouble too, since
Benadryl begot Prozac begot the rest of the whole mess.
Also funny, seeing a doctor's face when the read 'Allergic to benadryl'
on a form. They don't know how to process 'allergic to an anti-allergy
medication'.
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