Povray, in the version that is down-loadable from the ubuntu package management
system, has a bug in how it sets up its directories.  At least one consequence
of this fact is that it messes up the megapov installer.

Blender, as it is on the ubuntu package management system, is only 2.43.  The
new Knoppix 5.3.1 has 2.45.   (I remember that when I had SUSE, its p.m.s. was
even more out of date for one or both of those apps.)



QUESTION: Is the "Debian" package management system a different entity than that
of povray?  Is there any chance that a Debian install would give me less-buggy,
more up-to-date graphics applications?   In terms of what I can get by an
automated process (apt-get, etc.?).


I know enough about linux, perhaps, to install some of these apps myself, but
I've messed things up more than once in doing so, with problems at least as
severe as having my binaries end up in my home directory (thanks, somebody) or
a bunch of trash subdirectories strewn across my /home that I was afraid to
delete. I also know I don't have to given that other distros "come with" better
stuff.

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gregjohn wrote:
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> QUESTION: Is the "Debian" package management system a different entity than that
> of povray?  Is there any chance that a Debian install would give me less-buggy,
> more up-to-date graphics applications?   In terms of what I can get by an
> automated process (apt-get, etc.?).

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here. PoV doesn't have a pms so
 your question doesn't make sense.

> I know enough about linux, perhaps, to install some of these apps myself, but
> I've messed things up more than once in doing so, with problems at least as
> severe as having my binaries end up in my home directory (thanks, somebody) or
> a bunch of trash subdirectories strewn across my /home that I was afraid to
> delete. I also know I don't have to given that other distros "come with" better
> stuff.

If your problem with installs has come about through trying to install
from tarballs and the usual ./configure, make, make install then you're
probably forgetting to su to root for make install. You also may need to
look at the arguments you're passing to configure.

Post an example with _full_ details of your method and I'll find it
easier to help.

Try renaming the trash (e.g. mv Trash Trash_old) then run the app. If
there are no bad effects you can (probably) safely rm Trash_old. If app
complains then just reverse your action (mv Trash_old Trash)

John

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Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> gregjohn wrote:
> <snip>
> > QUESTION: Is the "Debian" package management system a different
> > entity than that of povray?


Restated:

It's been established that the version of povray that is on the ubuntu pms is
buggy in a way that the one at povray.org is not. I'm also pretty sure that the
ubuntu pms system is independent of that for SUSE-- you would have had (at least
in 2006?) a different version of povray.

Q: does Debian have a separate pms? Does it have a version of povray without the
bug related to folder set-up?  Does it have newer versions of povray or blender?

Motivation: I'm considering going back to Debian after seeing so much to love in
Knoppix 5.3.1 compared to my updated Kubuntu HDD install.  If you know of a
reason why that's a bogus comparison, I'm open to disabusement on that as well.
 thanks.

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> It's been established that the version of povray that is on the ubuntu pms is
> buggy in a way that the one at povray.org is not. I'm also pretty sure that the
> ubuntu pms system is independent of that for SUSE-- you would have had (at least
> in 2006?) a different version of povray.
> 
> Q: does Debian have a separate pms? Does it have a version of povray without the
> bug related to folder set-up?  Does it have newer versions of povray or blender?
> 
> Motivation: I'm considering going back to Debian after seeing so much to love in
> Knoppix 5.3.1 compared to my updated Kubuntu HDD install.  If you know of a
> reason why that's a bogus comparison, I'm open to disabusement on that as well.
>  thanks.

Debian and Ubuntu use the same package management *software*; but each 
has its own repository of packages. Debian is famous for having outdated 
packages, at least on the 'stable' version of the distro :)

Debian stable has blender 2.42, Debian testing and unstable have 2.45.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
> Debian and Ubuntu use the same package management *software*; but each 
> has its own repository of packages. Debian is famous for having outdated 
> packages, at least on the 'stable' version of the distro :)

Usually yes, but now I'm ashtounished, except...

> Debian stable has blender 2.42, Debian testing and unstable have 2.45.

...if you're talking about 32-bit versions, since Gentoo  atm *no* 
stable Blender:
groath ~ # emerge -pv blender

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies /
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "media-gfx/blender" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your 
request:
- media-gfx/blender-2.45-r3 (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask:
# Luca Barbato <lu_### [at] gentooorg> (26 Mar 2008)
# huge ffmpeg migration mask, append to this further packages working
# with the new include layout

- media-gfx/blender-2.45-r2 (masked by: ~amd64 keyword)
- media-gfx/blender-2.43-r1 (masked by: ~amd64 keyword)
- media-gfx/blender-2.43 (masked by: ~amd64 keyword)


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On Thu, 01 May 2008 22:21:20 +0300, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> 
>> Debian and Ubuntu use the same package management *software*; but each
>> has its own repository of packages. Debian is famous for having
>> outdated packages, at least on the 'stable' version of the distro :)
> 
> Usually yes, but now I'm ashtounished, except...
> 
>> Debian stable has blender 2.42, Debian testing and unstable have 2.45.
> 
> ...if you're talking about 32-bit versions, since Gentoo  atm *no*
> stable Blender:
> groath ~ # emerge -pv blender
> 


Blender 2.43 is marked stabled in Gentoo x86, as far back as the 2006.1 
profile.

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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
>> ...if you're talking about 32-bit versions, since Gentoo  atm *no*
>> stable Blender:
>> groath ~ # emerge -pv blender
>>
> 
> 
> Blender 2.43 is marked stabled in Gentoo x86, as far back as the 2006.1 
> profile.

I ment to write "x86_64 has" between the "Gentoo" and "atm" -words, but 
apparently I left it off.

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