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On 2023-07-29 08:34 (-4), Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Some time ago and entirely by chance, I came across this site/image:
> https://www.printables.com/model/431413-illusion-cube
P.S. Can you Europeans please tell your parliament to repeal the cookies
notification law? Those pop-ups are as useless as California prop 65
cancer warnings--except that the California warnings can be ignored. I
am tired of being forced to interact with damn pop-ups just to look at
every damn website, just because a few people who can't be bothered to
configure their Web browser are paranoid about their privacy. (I bet
they're the same people who use their cell phones to spread conspiracy
theories about microchips in the vaccines.)
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Op 29-7-2023 om 19:35 schreef Cousin Ricky:
> On 2023-07-29 08:34 (-4), Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Some time ago and entirely by chance, I came across this site/image:
>> https://www.printables.com/model/431413-illusion-cube
>
> P.S. Can you Europeans please tell your parliament to repeal the cookies
> notification law? Those pop-ups are as useless as California prop 65
> cancer warnings--except that the California warnings can be ignored. I
> am tired of being forced to interact with damn pop-ups just to look at
> every damn website, just because a few people who can't be bothered to
> configure their Web browser are paranoid about their privacy. (I bet
> they're the same people who use their cell phones to spread conspiracy
> theories about microchips in the vaccines.)
>
What are you complaining about? I just don't see/understand what /your
web browser/ has to do with /mine/... (or with any settings).
Have a good day.
--
Thomas
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hi,
Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoo com> wrote:
> ...
> P.S. Can you Europeans please tell your parliament to repeal the cookies
> notification law? Those pop-ups are as useless as California prop 65
> cancer warnings--except that the California warnings can be ignored.
living in the UK I see the same as-useless-as pop-ups. I guess you'll need to
re-phrase "you Europeans" as "you Europeans who are part of the European Union".
(though pithier wording comes to mind :-))
> I am tired of being forced to interact with damn pop-ups just to look at
> every damn website, just because a few people who can't be bothered to
> configure their Web browser are paranoid about their privacy. (I bet
> they're the same people who use their cell phones to spread conspiracy
> theories about microchips in the vaccines.)
disagree, frankly. no one is "forced". personally, I tend to visit a new URL
in an "incognito" window, and if the first thing I see is a pop-up, I close the
window, done. fwiw I do think that companies need to up their "ethical game".
ie there is no need for any company to dump _their_ shit in (my) "local
storage", be it cookies or db, unless and until I do something on their site
necessitating that store, perhaps put "an item" into the "shopping cart". "cuts
both ways".
regards, jr.
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Op 30-7-2023 om 16:56 schreef jr:
> hi,
>
> Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>> ...
>> P.S. Can you Europeans please tell your parliament to repeal the cookies
>> notification law? Those pop-ups are as useless as California prop 65
>> cancer warnings--except that the California warnings can be ignored.
>
> living in the UK I see the same as-useless-as pop-ups. I guess you'll need to
> re-phrase "you Europeans" as "you Europeans who are part of the European Union".
> (though pithier wording comes to mind :-))
>
>
>> I am tired of being forced to interact with damn pop-ups just to look at
>> every damn website, just because a few people who can't be bothered to
>> configure their Web browser are paranoid about their privacy. (I bet
>> they're the same people who use their cell phones to spread conspiracy
>> theories about microchips in the vaccines.)
>
> disagree, frankly. no one is "forced". personally, I tend to visit a new URL
> in an "incognito" window, and if the first thing I see is a pop-up, I close the
> window, done. fwiw I do think that companies need to up their "ethical game".
> ie there is no need for any company to dump _their_ shit in (my) "local
> storage", be it cookies or db, unless and until I do something on their site
> necessitating that store, perhaps put "an item" into the "shopping cart". "cuts
> both ways".
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
Btw, Firefox has excellent extensions which suppress pop-ups, cookies,
and such. In addition, it has a privacy mode. I am almost never troubled
by those things.
--
Thomas
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hi,
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 30-7-2023 om 16:56 schreef jr:
> > Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> I am tired of being forced to interact with damn pop-ups just to look at
> >> every damn website, just because a few people who can't be bothered to
> >> configure their Web browser are paranoid about their privacy. (I bet
> >> they're the same people who use their cell phones to spread conspiracy
> >> theories about microchips in the vaccines.)
> >
> > disagree, frankly. no one is "forced". personally, I tend to visit a new URL
> > in an "incognito" window, and if the first thing I see is a pop-up, I close the
> > window, done. fwiw I do think that companies need to up their "ethical game".
>
> Btw, Firefox has excellent extensions which suppress pop-ups, cookies,
> and such. In addition, it has a privacy mode. I am almost never troubled
> by those things.
:-) no FF (or TB) here. with Chrome I choose to nuke all the stored stuff on
browser exit/close; bg - I use one instance "permanently", with my Gmail tab,
some POV-Ray and other reference tabs; I open a new "incognito" window ("privacy
mode" will be similar I guess) to .. explore. that leaves cookies I "approve
of", like eg online banking, in place as the "permanent" window never closes.
Chrome does have extensions for ad + pop-up "blocking" and such, too, though I
don't use any. I have some sympathy for CR's irateness (and no good reply), but
suspect that your approach of using s/ware to .. defeat the nefarious :-) may
have little impact wrt encouraging companies to change behaviour (eg to not
simply store references to themselves and their affiliates "by default"), and
perhaps further "stokes the arms race". anyway, </> before it turns into a
rant.
(feeling a little too gregarious, must lie down.. ;-))
regards, jr.
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Op 30/07/2023 om 18:25 schreef jr:
> hi,
>
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 30-7-2023 om 16:56 schreef jr:
>>> Cousin Ricky <ric### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> I am tired of being forced to interact with damn pop-ups just to look at
>>>> every damn website, just because a few people who can't be bothered to
>>>> configure their Web browser are paranoid about their privacy. (I bet
>>>> they're the same people who use their cell phones to spread conspiracy
>>>> theories about microchips in the vaccines.)
>>>
>>> disagree, frankly. no one is "forced". personally, I tend to visit a new URL
>>> in an "incognito" window, and if the first thing I see is a pop-up, I close the
>>> window, done. fwiw I do think that companies need to up their "ethical game".
>>
>> Btw, Firefox has excellent extensions which suppress pop-ups, cookies,
>> and such. In addition, it has a privacy mode. I am almost never troubled
>> by those things.
>
> :-) no FF (or TB) here. with Chrome I choose to nuke all the stored stuff on
> browser exit/close; bg - I use one instance "permanently", with my Gmail tab,
> some POV-Ray and other reference tabs; I open a new "incognito" window ("privacy
> mode" will be similar I guess) to .. explore. that leaves cookies I "approve
> of", like eg online banking, in place as the "permanent" window never closes.
> Chrome does have extensions for ad + pop-up "blocking" and such, too, though I
> don't use any. I have some sympathy for CR's irateness (and no good reply), but
> suspect that your approach of using s/ware to .. defeat the nefarious :-) may
> have little impact wrt encouraging companies to change behaviour (eg to not
> simply store references to themselves and their affiliates "by default"), and
> perhaps further "stokes the arms race". anyway, </> before it turns into a
> rant.
>
> (feeling a little too gregarious, must lie down.. ;-))
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
I understand. Nothing is entirely perfect in this world, so we have to
cope as best we can :-| I have a subscription here to a non-profit
consumers journal for digital matters, and for years they warn about and
give help/advice about these things, particularly privacy. They are very
positive about FF and TB and somewhat neutral to negative about Chrome.
Google and MS are not really their friends were privacy is concerned
obviously...
Things I do additionally is regularly "nuke" (as you say) all the stored
cookies and such flotsam left behind by the eager watchers, and scan the
system for any remaining stuff. And - obviously again - I do not use nor
approach any of the social media (the POV-Ray ng's being the only
exceptions) nor do I buy if I can help it, online. I firmly believe that
only strict official regulation can restrict misuse and I certainly
approve of the European Parliament's actions, especially as the US in
particular does not seem to do much in that respect (but I may be wrong
of course). 'Free enterprise', liberalism, and even free speech, have
their (moral) limits.
--
Thomas
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hi,
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> ...
> consumers journal for digital matters, and for years they warn about and
> give help/advice about these things, particularly privacy. They are very
> positive about FF and TB and somewhat neutral to negative about Chrome.
> Google and MS are not really their friends were privacy is concerned
> obviously...
they/you are not wrong, all of the "big names", even the geniuses who use a
rodent with a single button, require one to "hold one's nose" I'd say.
still, I do pay Google money -- a small amount -- annually, figuring that since
my data now is actually theirs, they will look after it a little better. ;-)
regards, jr.
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Op 1-8-2023 om 13:33 schreef jr:
> hi,
>
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> ...
>> consumers journal for digital matters, and for years they warn about and
>> give help/advice about these things, particularly privacy. They are very
>> positive about FF and TB and somewhat neutral to negative about Chrome.
>> Google and MS are not really their friends were privacy is concerned
>> obviously...
>
> they/you are not wrong, all of the "big names", even the geniuses who use a
> rodent with a single button, require one to "hold one's nose" I'd say.
>
> still, I do pay Google money -- a small amount -- annually, figuring that since
> my data now is actually theirs, they will look after it a little better. ;-)
>
True. I should correct myself here by stating that they are above all
criticised because of their own use of private data from their users.
Incidentally, there are at this moment three lawsuits from consumers
organisations within the EU: One against Facebook which was fined 1.2
billion Euros In May 2023; one against TikTok, and one against Google.
The last two are still under way.
--
Thomas
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> [...] personally, I tend to visit a new URL in an "incognito" window [...]
This is the way. I do this (in FF), not because I think it it protects me from
being tracked completely (it doesn't), but because it keeps my searches from
being curated. It seems like today's web is all about trapping you into a tiny
box and selling you things it thinks are in your best interests at every turn.
> :-) no FF (or TB) here.
You might want to change your mind about that, since I heard Chromium-based
browsers will be making it harder (if not impossible) to use ad blockers in the
near future.
(rant incoming)
I'm done with ads. I hate them. I grew up watching them on TV and seeing them in
magazines, and I have had my fill. Here's a great Banksy quote about
advertising:
~~~
"People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life,
take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall
buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that
imply you're not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else.
They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the
most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with
it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.
You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property
rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they
like with total impunity.
Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you
see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do
whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock
someone just threw at your head.
You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don't owe
them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put
themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don't even
start asking for theirs."
~~~
If I lived in the city, I would probably be spray-painting billboards, haha.
Sam
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Op 08/08/2023 om 01:05 schreef Samuel B.:
> "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> [...] personally, I tend to visit a new URL in an "incognito" window [...]
>
> This is the way. I do this (in FF), not because I think it it protects me from
> being tracked completely (it doesn't), but because it keeps my searches from
> being curated. It seems like today's web is all about trapping you into a tiny
> box and selling you things it thinks are in your best interests at every turn.
>
>> :-) no FF (or TB) here.
>
> You might want to change your mind about that, since I heard Chromium-based
> browsers will be making it harder (if not impossible) to use ad blockers in the
> near future.
>
> (rant incoming)
>
> I'm done with ads. I hate them. I grew up watching them on TV and seeing them in
> magazines, and I have had my fill. Here's a great Banksy quote about
> advertising:
>
> ~~~
>
> "People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life,
> take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall
> buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that
> imply you're not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else.
> They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the
> most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with
> it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.
>
> You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property
> rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they
> like with total impunity.
>
> Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you
> see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do
> whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock
> someone just threw at your head.
>
> You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don't owe
> them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put
> themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don't even
> start asking for theirs."
>
> ~~~
>
> If I lived in the city, I would probably be spray-painting billboards, haha.
>
> Sam
>
Ha Ha! My gospel this! :-)
[note: I /think/ that here in Western Europe, we are a little bit more
protected from all this than in the US...]
--
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 08/08/2023 om 01:05 schreef Samuel B.:
>
> > [anti-ad stuff]
>
> Ha Ha! My gospel this! :-)
>
> [note: I /think/ that here in Western Europe, we are a little bit more
> protected from all this than in the US...]
>
> --
> Thomas
I not sure why more people here aren't upset at all the stuff they put up with
day in and day out. The EU definitely seems to have better policies regarding
advertising, privacy, etc.
Here in the US people just take it, for whatever reasons. Everyone is told to
just vote better, but from my point of view, it's truly a good cop/bad cop
scenario... one in which both sides are playing both sides at the same time...
One side (republicans) is pretty much the bad cop, and the other side
(democrats) are the good cop who just "can't get anything done," because the
republicans are always "blocking" their moves. Meanwhile, people are
increasingly unable to afford rent, healthcare and even food (which might be a
good thing in this supersized society :P).
But worst of all are the wars my country wages abroad without nary a vote. I
truly feel bad about places like Syria who are under constant assault by
terrorists, many of whom wear US uniforms or were trained & funded by the very
country claiming to fight a war against terrorism! It's insane that anyone
thinks the US are the good guys. I know there needs to be stability, but with
our countless coups, sanctions which hurt the people and not their governments,
theft of oil... Well, I try not to get too worked up about it but I still feel
somewhat responsible, being a US citizen and all.
Sam
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > [...] personally, I tend to visit a new URL in an "incognito" window [...]
>
> This is the way. I do this (in FF), not because I think it it protects me from
> being tracked completely (it doesn't), but because it keeps my searches from
> being curated.
yes, "curated". these impersonal "personalisations" have crept in to, it seems,
every aspect of web access. thoroughly dislike (mildest :-)) the trend.
> > :-) no FF (or TB) here.
> You might want to change your mind about that, since I heard Chromium-based
> browsers will be making it harder (if not impossible) to use ad blockers in the
> near future.
>
> (rant incoming)
:-) (seeks shelter behind desk)
> I'm done with ads. I hate them. I grew up watching them on TV and seeing them in
> magazines, and I have had my fill.
agree, and here Google really is the major offender, afaict. I mean, what
soulless cretin puts advertisements in the middle of (tracks of) an album ?!
(as happens on YT)
> Here's a great Banksy quote about
> advertising:
yes, commerce vs ethics.. thanks. (one of my "firm favourite" artists)
you replied to Thomas:
> But worst of all are the wars my country wages abroad ... Well, I try
> not to get too worked up about it but I still feel somewhat responsible,
> being a US citizen and all.
guess I must be older than you, I think the "not quite wars" the US of A
conducted in Central-America, more often than not via its Central Intelligence
Agency, were worse perhaps because undeclared. but look on the bright side, at
least y'all can get cheap cocaine now, by the ton :-).
and you do not have to be a US (of A) citizen to feel the responsibility(-ies),
truly, we all ought to.
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > > [...] personally, I tend to visit a new URL in an "incognito" window [...]
> >
> > [...] it keeps my searches from being curated. [...]
>
> yes, "curated". these impersonal "personalisations" have crept in to, it seems,
> every aspect of web access. thoroughly dislike (mildest :-)) the trend.
It's the internet, you can say "hate" here ;P
> > I'm done with ads. I hate them. I grew up watching them on TV and seeing them in
> > magazines, and I have had my fill.
>
> agree, and here Google really is the major offender, afaict. I mean, what
> soulless cretin puts advertisements in the middle of (tracks of) an album ?!
> (as happens on YT)
FF with UBlock Origin prevents any such incursions for the time being. And if
you want to listen to the music you like, there are a number of online YouTube
downloaders out there that still work... Plus, I think there's still a way to
support your favorite artists monetarily, apart from YT views :)
> > Here's a great Banksy quote about
> > advertising:
>
> yes, commerce vs ethics.. thanks. (one of my "firm favourite" artists)
I was on a fence about the guy for a while, but that quote made me realize that
other people have the same feelings about these issues as me.
>
> you replied to Thomas:
>
> > But worst of all are the wars my country wages abroad ... Well, I try
> > not to get too worked up about it but I still feel somewhat responsible,
> > being a US citizen and all.
>
> guess I must be older than you, I think the "not quite wars" the US of A
> conducted in Central-America, more often than not via its Central Intelligence
> Agency, were worse perhaps because undeclared.
I'm in my mid-forties, so not /too/ young. But yes, I know a bit about my
country's undeclared wars. I said "wars" in my previous comment because I refuse
to see them as anything else. When was the last time the US declared war? WWII?
Declarations are meaningless when actions speak otherwise -_-
> but look on the bright side, at least y'all can get cheap cocaine now, by the
> ton :-).
I heard there are killer square groupers on the east coast. Not that I've ever
had any... I'm on the west coast. (I did get a chance to have some once, but I
didn't want my face going all numb in mixed company. Plus, it seems like it's
not all that great anyway...)
> and you do not have to be a US (of A) citizen to feel the responsibility(-ies),
> truly, we all ought to.
>
> regards, jr.
True, but it seems like my country of the US is the biggest exporter of
"democracah." Pax Americana, it's sometimes called :/
Sam
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Interesting news about data cloud storage EU vs US:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66310714
--
Thomas
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> ... [Banksy] ...
> I was on a fence about the guy for a while, but that quote made me realize that
> other people have the same feelings about these issues as me.
ah, I "fell for him" when I was given Wall & Peace, as a present.
"People who enjoy waving flags don't deserve to have one."
:-)
> ... I'm on the west coast. ...
ah, loved (still do) their (few I know of) musical cultures. Ralph Records,
Cleopatra.. :-)
@ TdG
> Interesting news about data cloud storage EU vs US
perfect timing :-), thanks.
regards, jr.
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Interesting news about data cloud storage EU vs US:
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66310714
>
> --
> Thomas
I was wondering how this might square with Five Eyes... But are there actually
any 5Es members now, after Brexit?
I suppose the GDPR only helps against commercial data acquisition, at any rate.
Sam
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>
> > ... I'm on the west coast. ...
>
> ah, loved (still do) their (few I know of) musical cultures. Ralph Records,
> Cleopatra.. :-)
>
Huh, I haven't heard of them. But I did look at their Wikipedia page. Saw
nothing I recognized. But the name "Porcelain telephone" stood out as something
interesting, so I had Bing make an image of it (notice the excess of numbers on
the dial, haha).
Music is one of those funny things where you're unlikely to easily find another
person with the same interests as you. (But I'll try to remember Ralph Records
and do a search.)
Sam
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"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >
> > "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > > ... west coast. ...
> >
> > Cleopatra.. :-)
>
> Huh, I haven't heard of them.
Just looked up Cleopatra Records. Nothing I recognized at first, but there was
an offshoot responsible for Quiet Riot, a favorite of mine back in the day.
It seems like the company handled a lot of artists, some possibly genre-adjacent
to a band I like: Epica. Omega is my album favorite from them, but it's one of
those "listen only once in a blue moon or have it stuck in your head forever"
types of things.
Sam
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 19:05:23 EDT, Samuel B. wrote:
> You might want to change your mind about that, since I heard
> Chromium-based browsers will be making it harder (if not impossible) to
> use ad blockers in the near future.
Pi-Hole, Privoxy, and router-based blocklists work really well most of the
time here. There are rare situations where I have to turn them off
(usually streaming services that *ahem* I PAY FOR AD FREE CONTENT FROM -
but they can't promote their new show or run the streaming service
'bumper' unless I disable it temporarily).
Chrome can suck it. I like it as a browser, but there will always be a
way for a mostly ad-free experience. (I connect my phone to a VPN out of
my home specifically so I don't have to deal with ads on my phone).
It really shouldn't be necessary to do that, though.
> (rant incoming)
>
> I'm done with ads. I hate them. I grew up watching them on TV and seeing
> them in magazines, and I have had my fill. Here's a great Banksy quote
> about advertising:
That is a great quote. My view on advertising has always been this: When
I want to buy something, I'll go look for what is the best option. Until
then, GTFO of my face. The more obnoxious the ads are, the less likely I
am to buy. Same goes for salespeople - the ones who are pushy don't get
my business. The ones who tell me what they do and then leave me alone
are going to get a look when I have a need I think they can fit.
I got really sick of e-mails from account executives "gently knocking" to
see if I had 10 minutes to listen to their pitch. If I don't respond, I
don't have a need now. Go away. ;)
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > ... Ralph Records, Cleopatra..
>
> Huh, I haven't heard of them.
no worries, just showing my age :-) (think I have ~20 years on you)
> ... But the name "Porcelain telephone" stood out as something
> interesting, so I had Bing make an image of it (notice the excess of numbers on
> the dial, haha).
I guess that dial looks about right -- for a company that has so many fingers in
so many pies. </grin>
> Music is one of those funny things where you're unlikely to easily find another
> person with the same interests as you. (But I'll try to remember Ralph Records
> and do a search.)
yes.
fwiw, I had a look at Quiet Riot. having always liked Slade, I thought the
cover of "feel the noise" pretty good. also liked 'Metal Health' (one 'n', eh
?! :-)).
regards, jr.
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 19:05:23 EDT, Samuel B. wrote:
>
> > You might want to change your mind about that, since I heard
> > Chromium-based browsers will be making it harder (if not impossible) to
> > use ad blockers in the near future.
>
> Pi-Hole, Privoxy, and router-based blocklists work really well most of the
> time here.
Hey Jim. Haven't heard of Privoxy, but I have heard of the other two. Not sure I
could use Pi-Hole in my situation, since I borrow wifi. Besides, I don't have a
Raspberry Pi (and don't know if I could even get one at this point, due to the
shortage).
> There are rare situations where I have to turn them off
> (usually streaming services that *ahem* I PAY FOR AD FREE CONTENT FROM -
> but they can't promote their new show or run the streaming service
> 'bumper' unless I disable it temporarily).
Not sure if you're saying you sail the high seas or go only through the narrow
straits, haha. But, if you're getting ads for a service you paid for, then
that's pretty sucky on the service's part.
> Chrome can suck it. I like it as a browser, but there will always be a
> way for a mostly ad-free experience. (I connect my phone to a VPN out of
> my home specifically so I don't have to deal with ads on my phone).
I use Chrome for two things only: Gmail and WebGL stuff. Neither have ads,
except for a few promotions making their way into my inbox. I also might comment
on a YT video once in a blue moon as well, but generally, I try not to use
Chrome.
> > (rant incoming)
> >
> > I'm done with ads. I hate them. I grew up watching them on TV and seeing
> > them in magazines, and I have had my fill. Here's a great Banksy quote
> > about advertising:
>
> That is a great quote. My view on advertising has always been this: When
> I want to buy something, I'll go look for what is the best option. Until
> then, GTFO of my face. The more obnoxious the ads are, the less likely I
> am to buy. Same goes for salespeople - the ones who are pushy don't get
> my business. The ones who tell me what they do and then leave me alone
> are going to get a look when I have a need I think they can fit.
That's a reasonable stance, and it's the same one I hold. But I guess most
people don't feel the same? Otherwise: why would companies use these tactics?
They must be effective :/
Sam
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > > ... Ralph Records, Cleopatra..
> >
> > Huh, I haven't heard of them.
>
> no worries, just showing my age :-) (think I have ~20 years on you)
You just might. That would make you a bit younger than my dad, I'm guessing.
Hopefully you didn't get caught up in all the Vietnam BS (my dad didn't, but I
can't remember if he ever told me how he managed to avoid it).
> > ... But the name "Porcelain telephone" stood out as something
> > interesting, so I had Bing make an image of it (notice the excess of numbers on
> > the dial, haha).
>
> I guess that dial looks about right -- for a company that has so many fingers in
> so many pies. </grin>
Haha, true.
Funny I should be posting an image made with Microsoft's AI generator,
considering the topic and all. But so far, the adblocker I use seems to be
working just fine on Edge.
Microsoft does suck, and they're getting worse all the time. I paid over $100
for Windows 10 Home Edition, and it doesn't even let me stop updates? I think
I'll be moving on to Linux next time I have to make a choice. Seems like Linux
distros support almost everything I want anyway (Blender, POV-Ray, Gimp,
emulators, etc.), save for maybe one or two Steam games that aren't compatible
with Proton.
> fwiw, I had a look at Quiet Riot. having always liked Slade, I thought the
> cover of "feel the noise" pretty good. also liked 'Metal Health' (one 'n', eh
> ?! :-)).
>
> regards, jr.
I didn't know Quiet Riot was inspired by another band until recently. It took me
til last year before I heard about Slade. My favorites are Far Far Away and My
oh My. Such happy tunes.
Sam
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> That is a great quote. My view on advertising has always been this: When
> I want to buy something, I'll go look for what is the best option. Until
> then, GTFO of my face. The more obnoxious the ads are, the less likely I
> am to buy. Same goes for salespeople - the ones who are pushy don't get
> my business. The ones who tell me what they do and then leave me alone
> are going to get a look when I have a need I think they can fit.
>
> I got really sick of e-mails from account executives "gently knocking" to
> see if I had 10 minutes to listen to their pitch. If I don't respond, I
> don't have a need now. Go away. ;)
Awesome.
Now do it for the government and their unsolicited "services".
Taxes Are Stealing EP (Corporate Avenger) (Full EP) (Suburban Noize Records)
https://vimeo.com/492915351
https://fee.org/resources/not-your-to-give/
My favorite Banksy quote is:
"The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules
but by people following the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs
and massacre villages."
- BE
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"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Hopefully you didn't get caught up in all the Vietnam BS (my dad didn't, but I
> can't remember if he ever told me how he managed to avoid it).
We had a General Dynamics plant in our town, and I remember protests, and big
"peace symbol" graffiti on buildings, and going to some kind of hippy anti-war
things with my aunt and uncle.
My dad was an MP. _Something_ happened over there - any time I'd bring up
Vietnam, both of my parents faces ... changed, darkly, and they got real quiet.
> > > ... But the name "Porcelain telephone" stood out as something
> > > interesting, so I had Bing make an image of it (notice the excess of numbers on
> > > the dial, haha).
I used to have one of those sitting on the nightstand next to the Surrealistic
Pillow on my bed. :P
> I didn't know Quiet Riot was inspired by another band until recently. It took me
> til last year before I heard about Slade. My favorites are Far Far Away and My
> oh My. Such happy tunes.
Slade had some hilarious videos on MTV back in the day. I used to love them
when I could sneak a peek on cable at my grandparents' house.
I actually got to see QR at a tiny little bar in College Park, MD when I was in
graduate school. I got completely polluted and somehow managed to walk home
halfway across town. Managed to climb into bed and fall instantly asleep fully
clothed. :D
- BW
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Op 14/08/2023 om 02:07 schreef Samuel B.:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Interesting news about data cloud storage EU vs US:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66310714
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> I was wondering how this might square with Five Eyes... But are there actually
> any 5Es members now, after Brexit?
>
> I suppose the GDPR only helps against commercial data acquisition, at any rate.
>
> Sam
>
Probably the Five Eyes were not affected by Brexit as they are/operate
supranationally anyway. And nowadays with Nine Eyes or Fourteen Eyes,
and whatever else exists out there which we are not/hardly aware of...
--
Thomas
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> You just might. That would make you a bit younger than my dad, I'm guessing.
> Hopefully you didn't get caught up in all the Vietnam BS (my dad didn't, but I
> can't remember if he ever told me how he managed to avoid it).
not sure what support (at that time, if any) the US of A got from France, but
"us Europeans" had no hand in that.
> ...
> Microsoft does suck, and they're getting worse all the time. I paid over $100
> for Windows 10 Home Edition, and it doesn't even let me stop updates?
I used to "hate" auto-updates, still do. however, for "life online" it is
better to have an up-to-date OS, imo (think online banking etc). suggest: a
"cheap" laptop where that company (Google, in my case) can "dictate" the s/ware,
and on one of "your" machines set up a SMB share where you share stuff with the
laptop.
> ... Such happy tunes.
yes, and .. historical :-). what is your current "happy tune" ? (like the
notion) link to my current, also a "nominee for earworm of the year" ? :-)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeTVqbmK9U>
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > You just might. That would make you a bit younger than my dad, I'm guessing.
> > Hopefully you didn't get caught up in all the Vietnam BS (my dad didn't, but I
> > can't remember if he ever told me how he managed to avoid it).
>
> not sure what support (at that time, if any) the US of A got from France, but
> "us Europeans" had no hand in that.
It's good you weren't involved. Total shit show based on what I've gathered.
My country is horrible, and it seems like nobody actually learns. It's always
"different this time." But it's not. (I'm guessing online discussions and media
reports are being heavily atroturfed.) Personally, I wish our military would
just pull out from... basically everywhere :(
> > ...
> > Microsoft does suck, and they're getting worse all the time. I paid over $100
> > for Windows 10 Home Edition, and it doesn't even let me stop updates?
>
> I used to "hate" auto-updates, still do. however, for "life online" it is
> better to have an up-to-date OS, imo (think online banking etc). suggest: a
> "cheap" laptop where that company (Google, in my case) can "dictate" the s/ware,
> and on one of "your" machines set up a SMB share where you share stuff with the
> laptop.
Don't get me wrong, I think things like Windows Defender updates are good... I
just don't like my settings being changed and reset all the time (e.g. Windows
Ink seems to reset itself at every update, causing my drawing tablet to track
upside down.)
> > ... Such happy tunes.
>
> yes, and .. historical :-). what is your current "happy tune" ? (like the
> notion) link to my current, also a "nominee for earworm of the year" ? :-)
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeTVqbmK9U>
>
> regards, jr.
A good song! It has an almost British punk vibe, but I'll admit I don't know the
actual genre.
Not sure I have a current favorite happy tune. Most of the stuff I've liked
recently is happy on the surface, but not quite so after reading the lyrics. For
instance, Morgan Delt's music for the most part has an upbeat psychedelic rock
vibe, yet is a bit heavy at times. An all-time happy tune for me, however, would
have to be It Comes Right Down to You by It's a Beautiful Day. A 60s psychedelic
band performing a piece that could have been made in the 20s:
https://youtu.be/ddNyahB5GAg
Another band that evokes pleasant feelings is Khruangbin. Their Pitchfork Live
video is mostly great, but I'd wager it's a band most would probably not like,
due to the lack of vocals or something.
Sam
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 14/08/2023 om 02:07 schreef Samuel B.:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> Interesting news about data cloud storage EU vs US:
> >>
> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66310714
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thomas
> >
> > I was wondering how this might square with Five Eyes... But are there actually
> > any 5Es members now, after Brexit?
> >
> > I suppose the GDPR only helps against commercial data acquisition, at any rate.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> Probably the Five Eyes were not affected by Brexit as they are/operate
> supranationally anyway. And nowadays with Nine Eyes or Fourteen Eyes,
> and whatever else exists out there which we are not/hardly aware of...
>
> --
> Thomas
Right, the UK is probably still part of Five Eyes. But, since Brexit, the UK is
no longer in the EU, so... I guess the EU has no part in Five Eyes now?
But you're probably right, and it' like up to 55 eyes or something by now :P
Sam
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"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>
> > Hopefully you didn't get caught up in all the Vietnam BS (my dad didn't, but I
> > can't remember if he ever told me how he managed to avoid it).
>
> We had a General Dynamics plant in our town, and I remember protests, and big
> "peace symbol" graffiti on buildings, and going to some kind of hippy anti-war
> things with my aunt and uncle.
> My dad was an MP. _Something_ happened over there - any time I'd bring up
> Vietnam, both of my parents faces ... changed, darkly, and they got real quiet.
I'm guessing they had a clear view of what my country was doing, and it left a
bad taste in their mouths.
Just looked up General Dynamics, and I can see why people were protesting; it's
another MIC appendage.
> > > > ... But the name "Porcelain telephone" stood out as something
> > > > interesting, so I had Bing make an image of it (notice the excess of numbers
on
> > > > the dial, haha).
>
> I used to have one of those sitting on the nightstand next to the Surrealistic
> Pillow on my bed. :P
Sounds fluffy and soft, like a White Rabbit :)
> > I didn't know Quiet Riot was inspired by another band until recently. It took me
> > til last year before I heard about Slade. My favorites are Far Far Away and My
> > oh My. Such happy tunes.
>
> Slade had some hilarious videos on MTV back in the day. I used to love them
> when I could sneak a peek on cable at my grandparents' house.
MTV was good a long time ago... It was almost nothing but music videos, once
upon a time.
> I actually got to see QR at a tiny little bar in College Park, MD when I was in
> graduate school. I got completely polluted and somehow managed to walk home
> halfway across town. Managed to climb into bed and fall instantly asleep fully
> clothed. :D
>
> - BW
There's nothing like getting absolutely hammered! (Thank goodness.) My first
time I came home and threw up, and promptly passed out in my denim clothing :S
There's no hiding that, but thank goodness my dad understood -_-
Sam
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"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>
> Taxes Are Stealing EP (Corporate Avenger) (Full EP) (Suburban Noize Records)
> https://vimeo.com/492915351
Nice activist music! Right off the bat it's great, because only truth is true,
and lies just can't stand up to that. (On a related note, it's my opinion that
evil is ultimately stupid, as it destroys its own foundation.)
Sam
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Op 16/08/2023 om 00:23 schreef Samuel B.:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Op 14/08/2023 om 02:07 schreef Samuel B.:
>>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>>> Interesting news about data cloud storage EU vs US:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66310714
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> I was wondering how this might square with Five Eyes... But are there actually
>>> any 5Es members now, after Brexit?
>>>
>>> I suppose the GDPR only helps against commercial data acquisition, at any rate.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>> Probably the Five Eyes were not affected by Brexit as they are/operate
>> supranationally anyway. And nowadays with Nine Eyes or Fourteen Eyes,
>> and whatever else exists out there which we are not/hardly aware of...
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> Right, the UK is probably still part of Five Eyes. But, since Brexit, the UK is
> no longer in the EU, so... I guess the EU has no part in Five Eyes now?
>
> But you're probably right, and it' like up to 55 eyes or something by now :P
>
> Sam
>
According to Wikipedia, the core countries of the EU (the western ones)
are part of SSEUR aka "SIGINT Seniors Europe", the Fourteen Eyes I
mentioned above. It includes the original Five Eyes.
--
Thomas
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> My country is horrible, ... our military ...
to me the whole idea of (competing) "nation states" is .. farcical, at best. my
preference is the "one globe" visible from space. </shrug>
> ...
> A good song! It has an almost British punk vibe, but I'll admit I don't know the
> actual genre.
heh, I cannot tell "genre"s either, but "fusion"s can work real well. (eg
Thievery Corp. ;-))
> ...Not sure I have a current favorite happy tune. ...
will try and check out Morgan Delt, thanks, and yes, Khruangbin, liked "Summer
Madness" and also a "little desk" session, well, the first two tracks :-).
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
(probably going to shoot myself in the foot, again, but hey..)
> to me the whole idea of (competing) "nation states" is .. farcical, at best. my
> preference is the "one globe" visible from space. </shrug>
given <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthrise>, given it has been well over 50
years since, I (have to) assume anyone seeing the image old enough and rational
enough must appreciate that this image shows where "their feet are planted". my
argument simply is, if a person is "aware" of the facts and still insists on ..
balkanising the peoples, that makes them "unfit" in the Darwinian sense. $0.02
(since the Euro symbol creates havoc :-))
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > ...
> > My country is horrible, ... our military ...
>
> to me the whole idea of (competing) "nation states" is .. farcical, at best. my
> preference is the "one globe" visible from space. </shrug>
>
> [...]
>
> given <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthrise>, given it has been well over 50
> years since, I (have to) assume anyone seeing the image old enough and rational
> enough must appreciate that this image shows where "their feet are planted". my
> argument simply is, if a person is "aware" of the facts and still insists on ..
> balkanising the peoples, that makes them "unfit" in the Darwinian sense. $0.02
> (since the Euro symbol creates havoc :-))
>
I agree that we need to be ever mindful that we all share a single globe -- one
island in the midst of what may as well be a lifeless space -- and that further
fragmentation is not helpful towards keeping ourselves alive and our foundation
intact.
But a degree of fragmentation seems unavoidable, perhaps even necessary. People
argue about stupid things, and we need a certain amount of space from each
other. Also, I think a fully-unified planet would be a ripe breeding ground for
the most totalitarian government the world has even seen...
> > ...
> > A good song! It has an almost British punk vibe, but I'll admit I don't know the
> > actual genre.
>
> heh, I cannot tell "genre"s either, but "fusion"s can work real well. (eg
> Thievery Corp. ;-))
>
I will look them up!
> > ...Not sure I have a current favorite happy tune. ...
>
> will try and check out Morgan Delt, thanks,
It's psychedelic rock. He only put out two albums that I know of, but it's
excellent stuff if you're into that sort of thing.
Another interesting musician is one named Gorkem Sen. He invented an instrument
called a yaybahar. This is my favorite performance by him:
https://youtu.be/iQEgSDuijVs
> and yes, Khruangbin, liked "Summer
> Madness" and also a "little desk" session, well, the first two tracks :-).
>
> regards, jr.
Just listened to Summer Madness for the first time. It's nice!
Sam
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> > balkanising the peoples, ...
> > (since the Euro symbol creates havoc :-))
>
> I agree that we need to be ever mindful that we all share a single globe -- one
> island in the midst of what may as well be a lifeless space -- and that further
> fragmentation is not helpful towards keeping ourselves alive and our foundation
> intact.
yes. in addition, I think, "we need to be ever mindful" of the fact that each
and everyone of us is .. an accident of birth. no one _chose_ which part of the
planet, or into which family, they got born (cf "The Doors" memorable lyric
"into this world we're thrown").
> But a degree of fragmentation seems unavoidable, perhaps even necessary.
necessary ? interesting, how so ?
> People
> argue about stupid things, and we need a certain amount of space from each
> other.
personally, nothing wrong with a good argument. provided one uses intellect and
facts, rather than belief and or Heckler&Koch, to win. re space, there's plenty
of it :-) also, I find it not difficult to "have space", privacy, in spite of
literally living "on the high street" in a good sized city.
> Also, I think a fully-unified planet would be a ripe breeding ground for
> the most totalitarian government the world has even seen...
as opposed to the "facist's wet-dream" we "enjoy" now ? Coolio's "insight"
comes to mind. :-) perhaps, if every person was a citizen of the "one globe",
we could hold our (one) government to account when lives and human potential get
wasted in grotesque numbers for no particular reason, eg
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-66540039>, "chalking up" another
"fail".
> I will look [Thievery Corporation] up!
they do look good live too I thought, though "my evidence" is a single (Boston
?) concert on YT.
> It's psychedelic rock. ...
do you like Goat ? (they have that "Scandinavian je ne sais quoi" :-))
> Another interesting musician is one named Gorkem Sen.
thanks, another for the "to do" list :-).
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > ...
> > > balkanising the peoples, ...
> > > (since the Euro symbol creates havoc :-))
> >
> > I agree that we need to be ever mindful that we all share a single globe -- one
> > island in the midst of what may as well be a lifeless space -- and that further
> > fragmentation is not helpful towards keeping ourselves alive and our foundation
> > intact.
>
> yes. in addition, I think, "we need to be ever mindful" of the fact that each
> and everyone of us is .. an accident of birth. no one _chose_ which part of the
> planet, or into which family, they got born (cf "The Doors" memorable lyric
> "into this world we're thrown").
Very true, and that fact should probably make everyone humble...
> > But a degree of fragmentation seems unavoidable, perhaps even necessary.
>
> necessary ? interesting, how so ?
Actually, that was the wrong word for me to use, as 'fragmentation' implies
division and border clashes.
The word 'diversification' is closer to what I was getting at. Life seems driven
towards diversity, both in genes and ideas. Maybe it's not its actual purpose
(is there one?), but it's certainly a result. One could argue we humans are
doing our best when exploring all sorts of different ideas, while being careful
not to perpetuate harmful ones. (Maybe I think this way because I prefer reality
to be interesting, and not like that dark planet from A Wrinkle in Time.)
> > People
> > argue about stupid things, and we need a certain amount of space from each
> > other.
>
> personally, nothing wrong with a good argument. provided one uses intellect and
> facts, rather than belief and or Heckler&Koch, to win.
No, you're wrong and I'm going to do some defense spending to prove my point! :P
But yeah, I like a good debate, provided all parties are arguing in good faith.
Arguments that devolve into insults and threats are pretty pointless and
generally mentally toxic for everyone.
> re space, there's plenty of it :-)
We should colonize it, truly. But we should be extra careful not to contaminate
possible ecosystems. (Ever read the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson?) There
is so much we could do to remove stress from the planet by going outward. So
much water, so many metals, and a number of power sources are available to us
out there. (I think India might be making a moon landing here pretty soon...)
> also, I find it not difficult to "have space", privacy, in spite of literally
> living "on the high street" in a good sized city.
That's good. Personally, I have at times found it hard to feel alone and
comfortable, even though I live in a rural area. (My personal bubble feels
really huge sometimes.) The feeling has only gotten worse over the years,
especially since Airbnb became a thing. People coming in droves, sometimes
playing loud music at night. It's not always bad but I often feel penned-in,
since I am not a very outgoing person.
> > Also, I think a fully-unified planet would be a ripe breeding ground for
> > the most totalitarian government the world has even seen...
>
> as opposed to the "facist's wet-dream" we "enjoy" now ? Coolio's "insight"
> comes to mind. :-) perhaps, if every person was a citizen of the "one globe",
> we could hold our (one) government to account when lives and human potential get
> wasted in grotesque numbers for no particular reason, eg
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-66540039>, "chalking up" another
> "fail".
I agree with you, and it's very messed up. These are actual people.
I was just pointing out a couple possible issues that need addressed, since a
one-world government could either be a very good thing or a very bad thing.
Yeah, it's obvious our current methods are not working. We're headed for a
literal dead end; our present course results in a sterile planet. Plastics
everywhere are causing fertility and reproductive issues, greenhouse gases are
wobbling the spinning plate we call the climate, industrialism is poisoning
everything, ships are driving cetaceans mad enough to beach themselves, etc. As
I said elsewhere, I try not to get too worked up over it anymore, but I can't
help but be disturbed about it all. I may not be able to vote anymore, but at
least I can speak :/
> > I will look [Thievery Corporation] up!
>
> they do look good live too I thought, though "my evidence" is a single (Boston
> ?) concert on YT.
I listened to one of their songs yesterday, and the vocalist seemed very
familiar. They had a 1996 album, so I'll give that a listen, since that's the
time period in which I heard her last.
> > It's psychedelic rock. ...
>
> do you like Goat ? (they have that "Scandinavian je ne sais quoi" :-))
Haven't heard of them, but will search and bookmark ;)
Sam
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> The word 'diversification' is closer to what I was getting at. Life seems driven
> towards diversity, both in genes and ideas. Maybe it's not its actual purpose
> (is there one?), but it's certainly a result. One could argue we humans are
> doing our best when exploring all sorts of different ideas, while being careful
> not to perpetuate harmful ones. (Maybe I think this way because I prefer reality
> to be interesting, and not like that dark planet from A Wrinkle in Time.)
with you up to and including "result". mix + mingle freely, ideally.
on the rest, but who decides ?
> ...
> But yeah, I like a good debate, provided all parties are arguing in good faith.
yes, in good faith.
(that then precludes conversation with about any politician who ever walked the
Earth :-))
> ...
> > re space, there's plenty of it :-)
> We should colonize it, truly.
oh man, I misunderstood, completely. I'd read it as in "elbow room".
> But we should be extra careful not to contaminate
> possible ecosystems. (Ever read the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson?) There
think 'Red' or 'Green', but that must be 20 years ago, longer ? no memory as
such.
fwiw, re "Sci-Fi", Iain M Banks (in the 'Culture' books) had peoples who
gene-engineered themselves to function in vacuum, for periods of time.
given that most of space is just that, I like the idea.
> is so much we could do to remove stress from the planet by going outward. So
> much water, so many metals, and a number of power sources are available to us
> out there. (I think India might be making a moon landing here pretty soon...)
this week, fingers crossed.
> ...
> That's good. Personally, I have at times found it hard to feel alone and
> comfortable, even though I live in a rural area. (My personal bubble feels
> really huge sometimes.) The feeling has only gotten worse over the years,
> especially since Airbnb became a thing. People coming in droves, sometimes
> playing loud music at night. It's not always bad but I often feel penned-in,
> since I am not a very outgoing person.
interesting really because, like you, I'd describe myself as not very outgoing,
yet, I envy people who (can afford to) live in, say, Tokyo. think them real
lucky having the products and services of _millions_ on the doorstep.
> ...
> I agree with you, and it's very messed up. These are actual people.
>
> I was just pointing out a couple possible issues ...
sorry, yes. it is just that certain issues simply leave me depressed-as-fuck,
and the vision of 200+ self-interested parties ("nation states"), armed to the
teeth (except, to their credit, Costa Rica), "negotiating" in times of looming
crises is one of them.
> ...
> I listened to one of their songs yesterday, and the vocalist seemed very
> familiar. They had a 1996 album, so I'll give that a listen, since that's the
> time period in which I heard her last.
:-) enjoy.
fwiw, "I don't wanna see what's happening outside".. while I (we, I guess :-))
can relate to that, the track as such .. lukewarm ? may have another go as the
"wikipedia blurb" read quite interesting.
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
Yay, power's back on! It got knocked out last night, thanks to Tropical Storm
Hilary.
> > But yeah, I like a good debate, provided all parties are arguing in good faith.
>
> yes, in good faith.
>
> (that then precludes conversation with about any politician who ever walked the
> Earth :-))
I'm looking at my country's next presidential election and just shaking my head
`:/
> > ...
> > > re space, there's plenty of it :-)
> > We should colonize it, truly.
>
> oh man, I misunderstood, completely. I'd read it as in "elbow room".
I guess I meant everything... Having personal space is good for the individual,
and having access to outer space can be good for everyone :)
> > But we should be extra careful not to contaminate
> > possible ecosystems. (Ever read the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson?) There
>
> think 'Red' or 'Green', but that must be 20 years ago, longer ? no memory as
> such.
It's been about 16 years for me, I think. The 'Reds' were adamant about
preserving Mars' ecosystem. The 'Greens' might have been all about greening up
the place, but I can't remember. Just remember it was mainly about the difficult
job of terraforming Mars, and that it was a good book series.
> fwiw, re "Sci-Fi", Iain M Banks (in the 'Culture' books) had peoples who
> gene-engineered themselves to function in vacuum, for periods of time.
> given that most of space is just that, I like the idea.
That sounds vaguely familiar...
> > (I think India might be making a moon landing here pretty soon...)
>
> this week, fingers crossed.
Yes! And hopefully this attempt goes better than the last (unfortunate things
happen, unfortunately).
Russia's got a moon mission going too, but I think it has already hit a snag.
With any luck, it won't be a major setback for them.
> > ...
> > That's good. Personally, I have at times found it hard to feel alone and
> > comfortable, even though I live in a rural area. (My personal bubble feels
> > really huge sometimes.) The feeling has only gotten worse over the years,
> > especially since Airbnb became a thing. People coming in droves, sometimes
> > playing loud music at night. It's not always bad but I often feel penned-in,
> > since I am not a very outgoing person.
>
> interesting really because, like you, I'd describe myself as not very outgoing,
> yet, I envy people who (can afford to) live in, say, Tokyo. think them real
> lucky having the products and services of _millions_ on the doorstep.
It would be nice to order a pizza on a whim, or have a package reliably make it
to my doorstep (and not some post office). But the noise would be too much for
me, I'm pretty sure.
Would greater access to products & services outweigh the busyness of the place
for you? Or maybe the busyness is part of the appeal? I can imagine how seeing
and hearing all the commotion from a cozy apartment would be neat.
> > ...
> > I agree with you, and it's very messed up. These are actual people.
> >
> > I was just pointing out a couple possible issues ...
>
> sorry, yes. it is just that certain issues simply leave me depressed-as-fuck,
> and the vision of 200+ self-interested parties ("nation states"), armed to the
> teeth (except, to their credit, Costa Rica), "negotiating" in times of looming
> crises is one of them.
Yeah, it sucks. There's probably a middle ground somewhere, with borders and
societies being a bit less... discrete. More continuous. I think it might have a
chance of happening, but it seems there are people and organizations
intentionally causing division.
It's been suggested many times that all world leaders should take a bunch of
mushrooms and meditate on things. It would be great if it helped, but it's also
said people lacking a conscience are drawn to power, or find it easier to stay
there, so, idk.
I read the news almost every day, but I try not to get too upset about it all.
> > ...
> > I listened to one of their songs yesterday, and the vocalist seemed very
> > familiar. They had a 1996 album, so I'll give that a listen, since that's the
> > time period in which I heard her last.
>
> :-) enjoy.
>
> fwiw, "I don't wanna see what's happening outside".. while I (we, I guess :-))
> can relate to that, the track as such .. lukewarm ? may have another go as the
> "wikipedia blurb" read quite interesting.
That might be my least favorite song by him, but I can definitely relate to it.
The song that really made me like the guy is "Some Sunsick Day." It seems to be
about a species that experiences a great disaster, yet manages to rebuild their
society. Happy and sad.
Sam
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Yay, power's back on! It got knocked out last night, thanks to Tropical Storm
> Hilary.
ah, good. a "novelty" in that area I read (80 years!). made me think, another
benefit of "urban" living - priority when restoring services.
> > > (I think India might be making a moon landing here pretty soon...)
> > this week, fingers crossed.
> Yes! And hopefully this attempt goes better than the last (unfortunate things
> happen, unfortunately).
very much hope the second attempt goes well. (even if that means (the
insufferable ;-)) Mr Modi gets to beat his chest :-))
> Russia's got a moon mission going too, but I think it has already hit a snag.
> With any luck, it won't be a major setback for them.
from where I'm sitting, it looked a little like Russia was trying to "upstage"
India. in that sense, "poetic justice". </shrug>
> > > ...
> > > That's good. Personally, I have at times found it hard to feel alone and
> > > comfortable, even though I live in a rural area. ...
> > ...
> > I envy people who (can afford to) live in, say, Tokyo. think them real
> > lucky having the products and services of _millions_ on the doorstep.
>
> It would be nice to order a pizza on a whim, or have a package reliably make it
> to my doorstep (and not some post office). But the noise would be too much for
> me, I'm pretty sure.
>
> Would greater access to products & services outweigh the busyness of the place
> for you? Or maybe the busyness is part of the appeal? I can imagine how seeing
> and hearing all the commotion from a cozy apartment would be neat.
I think/know the "hustle + bustle" is part of the appeal. I struggle to see the
noise problem though. life == "noise" :-) I remember (vaguely) hearing
grasshoppers and birdsong when little. silence is a problem because it implies
perceived threat(s) (in the natural world). another aspect is the "forgetting
to buy a pint of milk" thing. happens all too frequently to me, these days, so
if shopping meant a 50 miles round-trip, I'd be in trouble :-).
(re-ordered)
> > > ...
> > > But yeah, I like a good debate, provided all parties are arguing in good faith.
> >
> > yes, in good faith.
> >
> > (that then precludes conversation with about any politician who ever walked the
> > Earth :-))
>
> I'm looking at my country's next presidential election and just shaking my head
> `:/
> ...
> It's been suggested many times that all world leaders should take a bunch of
> mushrooms and meditate on things. It would be great if it helped, but it's also
> said people lacking a conscience are drawn to power, or find it easier to stay
> there, so, idk.
:-) that would be kind of irresponsible too, I'd think that many of those
"leaders" could be vulnerable afterwards, depressed, suicidal, some without
doubt. how about just "cookies" and MJ Cole's 'Sincere' as background during
debates ? </grin>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MJ_Cole>
> I read the news almost every day, but I try not to get too upset about it all.
fwiw, I used to be a "news junkie", papers and (BBC) Radio 4. but, I kept
getting upset. so I've made changes[*]. like people recommend to do with caged
parrots and other social birds, I leave the radio on, 24/7, just above audible
or "volume up" :-), on a music station[**]. works a treat.
[*] I still "allow" myself 15/20 minutes daily on a news channel, but find more
and more days where I don't bother.
[**] BBC Radio 6Music. on DAB here, your side of the pond would require
streaming I guess.
> The song that really made me like the guy is "Some Sunsick Day." It seems to be
> about a species that experiences a great disaster, yet manages to rebuild their
> society. Happy and sad.
</phew> ;-) and thanks.
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > Yay, power's back on! It got knocked out last night, thanks to Tropical Storm
> > Hilary.
>
> ah, good. a "novelty" in that area I read (80 years!). made me think, another
> benefit of "urban" living - priority when restoring services.
A number of the private utilities don't seem to be working out too well for some
of us in the 'states. Things are bound to happen, of course, but sometimes the
frequency of those 'things' is a bit too high. (It's not as bad as Puerto Rico
here, but... that line of thinking doesn't help the people living there :/)
> > > > (I think India might be making a moon landing here pretty soon...)
> > > this week, fingers crossed.
> > Yes! And hopefully this attempt goes better than the last (unfortunate things
> > happen, unfortunately).
>
> very much hope the second attempt goes well. (even if that means (the
> insufferable ;-)) Mr Modi gets to beat his chest :-))
Any progress is good, as long as it's real and not just to show off. Searching
for water and minerals on the south lunar pole seems like a good goal to me. I
know there's a lot of criticism regarding their space program (e.g. that money
could be used for people in need), but that seems like a deflection from taxing
rich people more.
> > Russia's got a moon mission going too, but I think it has already hit a snag.
> > With any luck, it won't be a major setback for them.
>
> from where I'm sitting, it looked a little like Russia was trying to "upstage"
> India. in that sense, "poetic justice". </shrug>
It did seem that way... and it probably was. Still, I'm disappointed the mission
failed. Evidently, the lander 'ceased its existence' after making a maneuver at
1.5 times the velocity needed, thus impacting into the lunar surface :(
I was also bummed that North Korea's recent satellite launch wasn't successful.
Not only would it have been a source of (hopefully healthy) pride and
accomplishment, it would have also been another way for them to be less
paranoid, since having more eyes on nearby things helps one make better
decisions.
> > > > ...
> > > > That's good. Personally, I have at times found it hard to feel alone and
> > > > comfortable, even though I live in a rural area. ...
> > > ...
> > > I envy people who (can afford to) live in, say, Tokyo. think them real
> > > lucky having the products and services of _millions_ on the doorstep.
> >
> > It would be nice to order a pizza on a whim, or have a package reliably make it
> > to my doorstep (and not some post office). But the noise would be too much for
> > me, I'm pretty sure.
> >
> > Would greater access to products & services outweigh the busyness of the place
> > for you? Or maybe the busyness is part of the appeal? I can imagine how seeing
> > and hearing all the commotion from a cozy apartment would be neat.
>
> I think/know the "hustle + bustle" is part of the appeal. I struggle to see the
> noise problem though. life == "noise" :-) I remember (vaguely) hearing
> grasshoppers and birdsong when little. silence is a problem because it implies
> perceived threat(s) (in the natural world).
The natural sounds of birds, grasshoppers, storms... it's all great. Even people
doing normal people things isn't so bad. But at the risk of self-diagnosing, I
think I might have some form of transient misophonia. Certain things like a bass
drum beat, large beeping equipment, people partying at all times and such... it
just rubs me the wrong way sometimes. I'm getting better, though. I use ear
plugs to cut out most of the noise, and a degree of stoicism to navigate my
feelings about the onslaught. (It's not often as bad as I make it out to be.)
> (re-ordered)
> > > > ...
> > > > But yeah, I like a good debate, provided all parties are arguing in good
faith.
> > >
> > > yes, in good faith.
> > >
> > > (that then precludes conversation with about any politician who ever walked the
> > > Earth :-))
> >
> > I'm looking at my country's next presidential election and just shaking my head
> > `:/
>
> > ...
> > It's been suggested many times that all world leaders should take a bunch of
> > mushrooms and meditate on things. It would be great if it helped, but it's also
> > said people lacking a conscience are drawn to power, or find it easier to stay
> > there, so, idk.
>
> :-) that would be kind of irresponsible too, I'd think that many of those
> "leaders" could be vulnerable afterwards, depressed, suicidal, some without
> doubt.
Well, it wouldn't have to be done in a reckless manner. Keep some trip killers
on hand, nurses on call, and above all: make sure set and setting is good
beforehand. Therapists to help with integration afterward. And it wouldn't have
to be 'a bunch of shrooms,' just enough to break out of the default mode network
a bit. But o course, even with every safeguard, things can still happen.
> how about just "cookies"
That could work, if they are 'special' cookies. Caution would still need to be
exercised, but probably not as much as with other things. (Green cookies can
still get *very* carried away.)
> and MJ Cole's 'Sincere' as background during
> debates ? </grin>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MJ_Cole>
> > I read the news almost every day, but I try not to get too upset about it all.
I looked that up. Found a song I'm not particularly interested in, but the idea
of something being created on an Atari system is intriguing.
> fwiw, I used to be a "news junkie", papers and (BBC) Radio 4. but, I kept
> getting upset. so I've made changes[*].
I read the news every morning on Lemmy and Reddit. On a basic level, reading
words is different than hearing audio and seeing video on TV. The potential for
getting upset is still there, but at least the manipulation is attenuated by a
few degrees. (Speaking of cannabis, that's how I found out how much television
was manipulating my mind. It happens on a level most of us ignore...
subconscious even. And to think, many people just don't realize that it's going
on all the time. [Or maybe I just think too much.])
> like people recommend to do with caged parrots and other social birds, I leave
> the radio on, 24/7, just above audible or "volume up" :-), on a music
> station[**]. works a treat.
I should have done this when we had cockatiels. Probably would have made things
better.
What's listening to that low-level noise like? Do you ever misrepresent the
sounds or is it basically white noise to you?
I have some kind of tinnitus, and when I'm in certain stages of sleep (dreaming)
it makes music. I'd like to learn a music application better in order to record
what I hear. It's almost like some sort of inter-dimensional radio, but I'm
pretty sure it's just my subconscious remixing memories. (Unless 'SpaghettiOs
Cereal' is a thing somewhere, haha.)
> [*] I still "allow" myself 15/20 minutes daily on a news channel, but find more
> and more days where I don't bother.
> [**] BBC Radio 6Music. on DAB here, your side of the pond would require
> streaming I guess.
Pretty sure my radio can't pick that up. But have you ever seen this?
http://radio.garden/visit/ It's a site with a 3D globe you can navigate. You can
listen in on real-time broadcasts, from anywhere on Earth.
Sam
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> A number of the private utilities don't seem to be working out too well for some
> of us in the 'states. Things are bound to happen, of course, but sometimes the
> frequency of those 'things' is a bit too high. (It's not as bad as Puerto Rico
> here, but... that line of thinking doesn't help the people living there :/)
ouch. means you lose power etc supplies "frequently" ?
> > > > > (I think India might be making a moon landing here pretty soon...)
> > > > this week, fingers crossed.
we should know _v_ soon :-)
> > > Yes! And hopefully this attempt goes better than the last (unfortunate things
> > > happen, unfortunately).
> > very much hope the second attempt goes well. (even if that means (the
> > insufferable ;-)) Mr Modi gets to beat his chest :-))
> Any progress is good, as long as it's real and not just to show off. Searching
> for water and minerals on the south lunar pole seems like a good goal to me. I
> know there's a lot of criticism regarding their space program (e.g. that money
> could be used for people in need), but that seems like a deflection from taxing
> rich people more.
wasn't aware of criticisms re their space programme; my own comment was/is re
the BJP and all that.
> ...
> I was also bummed that North Korea's recent satellite launch wasn't successful.
> Not only would it have been a source of (hopefully healthy) pride and
> accomplishment, it would have also been another way for them to be less
> paranoid, since having more eyes on nearby things helps one make better
> decisions.
ah, credit to you. have not paid much (any :-() attention to North Korea.
> ...
> The natural sounds of birds, grasshoppers, storms... it's all great. Even people
> doing normal people things isn't so bad. But at the risk of self-diagnosing, I
> think I might have some form of transient misophonia. Certain things like a bass
> drum beat, large beeping equipment, people partying at all times and such... it
> just rubs me the wrong way sometimes. I'm getting better, though. I use ear
> plugs to cut out most of the noise, and a degree of stoicism to navigate my
> feelings about the onslaught. (It's not often as bad as I make it out to be.)
guess you'll be aware of Bose noise cancellation headphones, then.
> ...
> I looked that up. Found a song I'm not particularly interested in, but the idea
> of something being created on an Atari system is intriguing.
yes. Atari vs Commodore.. those _were_ the days :-).
> > ... "news junkie", ...
> I read the news every morning on Lemmy and Reddit. On a basic level, reading
> words is different than hearing audio and seeing video on TV. The potential for
> getting upset is still there, but at least the manipulation is attenuated by a
> few degrees. (Speaking of cannabis, that's how I found out how much television
> was manipulating my mind. It happens on a level most of us ignore...
> subconscious even. And to think, many people just don't realize that it's going
> on all the time. [Or maybe I just think too much.])
</grin> DHOH's "TV - Drug of the nation"'s lyrics spell it out.
> > like people recommend to do with caged parrots and other social birds, I leave
> > the radio on, 24/7, just above audible or "volume up" :-), on a music
> > station[**]. works a treat.
> I should have done this when we had cockatiels. Probably would have made things
> better.
> What's listening to that low-level noise like? Do you ever misrepresent the
> sounds or is it basically white noise to you?
no, not "white noise" or any such. just on low level volume most of the time
(tend to turn it up when washing up/housework stuff). may well just be a
mechanism for "combating silence", who knows. also, no TV in this household.
> I have some kind of tinnitus, and when I'm in certain stages of sleep (dreaming)
> it makes music. I'd like to learn a music application better in order to record
> what I hear. It's almost like some sort of inter-dimensional radio, but I'm
> pretty sure it's just my subconscious remixing memories. (Unless 'SpaghettiOs
> Cereal' is a thing somewhere, haha.)
:-) a recording project sounds (no pun intended) a real good idea (cf the "self
analysis" thing).
> Pretty sure my radio can't pick that up. But have you ever seen this?
> http://radio.garden/visit/ It's a site with a 3D globe you can navigate. You can
> listen in on real-time broadcasts, from anywhere on Earth.
had not known, v nice idea. I guess there will a setting to enable browsing
w/out stations starting to auto-play, but didn't see it in time ;-).
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> > > > > > (I think India might be making a moon landing here pretty soon...)
> > > > > this week, fingers crossed.
>
> we should know _v_ soon :-)
They made a successful landing! :)
> > I use ear plugs to cut out most of the noise
>
> guess you'll be aware of Bose noise cancellation headphones, then.
Yeah, but I'm a bit wary of noise-cancelling tech. What if the device produces
sounds that don't cancel anything out? Would that damage my hearing?
Sam
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hi,
"Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> > guess you'll be aware of Bose noise cancellation headphones, then.
>
> Yeah, but I'm a bit wary of noise-cancelling tech. What if the device produces
> sounds that don't cancel anything out? Would that damage my hearing?
no to the last, also, was thinking "cans" rather than earplugs. and, fwiw, Bose
is a quality manufacturer (which has been round for years, eg
<https://www.johnlewis.com/bose-quietcomfort-qc45-noise-cancelling-over-ear-wireless-bluetooth-headphones-with-mic-remo
te/p5752673>).
regards, jr.
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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> hi,
>
> "Samuel B." <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > ...
> > > guess you'll be aware of Bose noise cancellation headphones, then.
> >
> > Yeah, but I'm a bit wary of noise-cancelling tech. What if the device produces
> > sounds that don't cancel anything out? Would that damage my hearing?
>
> no to the last, also, was thinking "cans" rather than earplugs. and, fwiw, Bose
> is a quality manufacturer (which has been round for years, eg
>
<https://www.johnlewis.com/bose-quietcomfort-qc45-noise-cancelling-over-ear-wireless-bluetooth-headphones-with-mic-re
mo
> te/p5752673>).
>
> regards, jr.
Thanks for the link. I can afford it, but I don't think I need it that badly
atm. (If I lived in an apartment or otherwise closer to more people I'd
definitely get something).
Sam
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On 8/1/2023 07:33, jr wrote:
> hi,
>
> still, I do pay Google money -- a small amount -- annually, figuring that since
> my data now is actually theirs, they will look after it a little better. ;-)
I've been paying Google this year. I absolutely love the show Taskmaster
and there were getting to be too many ads, less than TV, but still. So
my debit card serves as "ad blocker".
dik
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hi,
Dick Balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> On 8/1/2023 07:33, jr wrote:
> > still, I do pay Google money -- a small amount -- annually, ...
> I've been paying Google this year. I absolutely love the show Taskmaster
> and there were getting to be too many ads, less than TV, but still. So
> my debit card serves as "ad blocker".
>
> dik
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66659361>
regards, jr.
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