Have you ever used a software and felt nauseous? I just installed 
Windows 10 and I feel eyestrain, headachy and almost like I will puke, 
like riding in a bumpy car.

:(


Michael

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On 8/2/19 9:30 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> Have you ever used a software and felt nauseous? I just installed
> Windows 10 and I feel eyestrain, headachy and almost like I will puke,
> like riding in a bumpy car.
> 
> :(
> 

I am having trouble installing Windows 10.

I bought the 7 year old a PC and put Mint on it because I can control
it.  Unfortunately, all the good games (his only concern) are Windows only.

So I downloaded Win10, figuring I'll type in the license key from the
sticker on his box.  Put it on a USB stick and booted it.

I get the familar Windows booting spinny circle and it gets "this far"
and says "No device driver".  No driver for what you might ask.  Google
says for the USB stick.  To which I replied, "How the hell did you get
this far then?"

And now I'm stuck.

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Op 03/08/2019 om 03:30 schreef Mike Horvath:
> Have you ever used a software and felt nauseous? I just installed 
> Windows 10 and I feel eyestrain, headachy and almost like I will puke, 
> like riding in a bumpy car.
> 
> :(
> 

No, but 'Settings' is your friend. You may certainly want to look at the 
display settings. Changing the contrast and luminosity for instance will 
help. Also, do something about the lurid images Windows wants to show 
you, or use as a desktop background. I changed that last one to a nice 
Sam Benge work :-)

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Thomas

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hi,

dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> I am having trouble installing Windows 10.
>
> I bought the 7 year old a PC and put Mint on it because I can control
> it.  Unfortunately, all the good games (his only concern) are Windows only.
>
> So I downloaded Win10, figuring I'll type in the license key from the
> sticker on his box.  Put it on a USB stick and booted it.
> I get the familar Windows booting spinny circle and it gets "this far"
> and says "No device driver".  No driver for what you might ask.  Google
> says for the USB stick.  To which I replied, "How the hell did you get
> this far then?"
> And now I'm stuck.

have you considered running MS Windows in a vm?  I used to use VmWare +
VirtualBox on Slackware, no problems (with Windows 7 and 2k as guests).


regards, jr.

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On 8/3/19 8:57 AM, jr wrote:
> hi,
> 
> dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
>> I am having trouble installing Windows 10.
>>
>> I bought the 7 year old a PC and put Mint on it because I can control
>> it.  Unfortunately, all the good games (his only concern) are Windows only.
>>
>> So I downloaded Win10, figuring I'll type in the license key from the
>> sticker on his box.  Put it on a USB stick and booted it.
>> I get the familar Windows booting spinny circle and it gets "this far"
>> and says "No device driver".  No driver for what you might ask.  Google
>> says for the USB stick.  To which I replied, "How the hell did you get
>> this far then?"
>> And now I'm stuck.
> 
> have you considered running MS Windows in a vm?  I used to use VmWare +
> VirtualBox on Slackware, no problems (with Windows 7 and 2k as guests).

Games/DirectX need access to the hardware.

I have Win8.1 in a vm on my machine. (I did qtpovray for windows in it).
I don't know win10 at all, but 8.1 I get a 1280x1024 window and that's
it, also not game friendly.

> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 


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hi,

dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> >> I am having trouble installing Windows 10.
> >> ... Put it on a USB stick and booted it.
> > have you considered running MS Windows in a vm?  I used to use VmWare +
> > VirtualBox on Slackware, no problems (with Windows 7 and 2k as guests).
>
> Games/DirectX need access to the hardware.

:-(

in that case, I might try a different installation medium (ie DVD).  the PC has
a built-in optical drive?


regards, jr.

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On 8/3/19 10:11 AM, jr wrote:
> hi,
> 
> dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
>>>> I am having trouble installing Windows 10.
>>>> ... Put it on a USB stick and booted it.
>>> have you considered running MS Windows in a vm?  I used to use VmWare +
>>> VirtualBox on Slackware, no problems (with Windows 7 and 2k as guests).
>>
>> Games/DirectX need access to the hardware.
> 
> :-(
> 
> in that case, I might try a different installation medium (ie DVD).  the PC has
> a built-in optical drive?

Win10 is a 4.7GB install :) :(
-rw-r--r-- 1 dick dick 4.7G Jul 25 10:03
/home/dick/Downloads/Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.iso


> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 


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hi,

dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
> On 8/3/19 10:11 AM, jr wrote:
> > in that case, I might try a different installation medium (ie DVD).  the PC has
> > a built-in optical drive?
>
> Win10 is a 4.7GB install :) :(

yeah, one cannot ever accuse Microsoft of being cooperative.  sorry, right out
of ideas.


regards, jr.

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On 8/3/19 10:38 AM, jr wrote:
> hi,
> 
> dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
>> On 8/3/19 10:11 AM, jr wrote:
>>> in that case, I might try a different installation medium (ie DVD).  the PC has
>>> a built-in optical drive?
>>
>> Win10 is a 4.7GB install :) :(
> 
> yeah, one cannot ever accuse Microsoft of being cooperative.  sorry, right out
> of ideas.
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 

And you just know that it is going to require network access to get
setup too.  They could have dropped 100MB from the install and
downloaded it.  It's probably carrying an unusable Office365 with it.

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On 8/3/2019 10:51 AM, dick balaska wrote:
> On 8/3/19 10:38 AM, jr wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
>>> On 8/3/19 10:11 AM, jr wrote:
>>>> in that case, I might try a different installation medium (ie DVD).  the PC has
>>>> a built-in optical drive?
>>>
>>> Win10 is a 4.7GB install :) :(
>>
>> yeah, one cannot ever accuse Microsoft of being cooperative.  sorry, right out
>> of ideas.
>>
>>
>> regards, jr.
>>
> 
> And you just know that it is going to require network access to get
> setup too.  They could have dropped 100MB from the install and
> downloaded it.  It's probably carrying an unusable Office365 with it.
> 

I was able to defer network access until after installation since I did 
not have my wifi adapter drivers handy. You will need network access 
eventually however, if only to "activate" the OS.


Michael

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On 8/3/2019 10:51 AM, dick balaska wrote:
> On 8/3/19 10:38 AM, jr wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:
>>> On 8/3/19 10:11 AM, jr wrote:
>>>> in that case, I might try a different installation medium (ie DVD).  the PC has
>>>> a built-in optical drive?
>>>
>>> Win10 is a 4.7GB install :) :(
>>
>> yeah, one cannot ever accuse Microsoft of being cooperative.  sorry, right out
>> of ideas.
>>
>>
>> regards, jr.
>>
> 
> And you just know that it is going to require network access to get
> setup too.  They could have dropped 100MB from the install and
> downloaded it.  It's probably carrying an unusable Office365 with it.
> 

Also, I had to buy a new thumbdrive just for this installation, too, 
since the ISO was too big to fit on a DVD.

I did not have driver issues with the thumbdrive however.


Michael

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On 8/3/19 9:47 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:

> 
> I did not have driver issues with the thumbdrive however.
> 
> 
> Michael


What did you use to burn the stick?  My understanding is burning from
Linux is my problem; I need to burn it from Windows.  Supposedly.
(which makes absolutely no sense to me, but whatever)

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On 8/3/2019 11:40 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> On 8/3/19 9:47 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> 
>>
>> I did not have driver issues with the thumbdrive however.
>>
>>
>> Michael
> 
> 
> What did you use to burn the stick?  My understanding is burning from
> Linux is my problem; I need to burn it from Windows.  Supposedly.
> (which makes absolutely no sense to me, but whatever)
> 

I think I used a program called Rufus. (Before that I tried something 
different that didn't work correctly, IIRC.)


Michael

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On 8/3/2019 6:58 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Op 03/08/2019 om 03:30 schreef Mike Horvath:
>> Have you ever used a software and felt nauseous? I just installed 
>> Windows 10 and I feel eyestrain, headachy and almost like I will puke, 
>> like riding in a bumpy car.
>>
>> :(
>>
> 
> No, but 'Settings' is your friend. You may certainly want to look at the 
> display settings. Changing the contrast and luminosity for instance will 
> help. Also, do something about the lurid images Windows wants to show 
> you, or use as a desktop background. I changed that last one to a nice 
> Sam Benge work :-)
> 

I bought some programs from Stardock called Start10 and WindowBlinds. 
They helped a little, but they can only go so deep into the OS.

Also, tilting the monitor downward helped a little. Tomorrow I will get 
out my wrench and lower it an inch or so. (It is attached to a set of arms.)

Lastly, I odered an IPS monitor which may help prevent the screen from 
'fading' at oblique angles.


Michael

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Op 04/08/2019 om 09:30 schreef Mike Horvath:
> I bought some programs from Stardock called Start10 and WindowBlinds. 
> They helped a little, but they can only go so deep into the OS.

I guess that the best way is to try to get the OS settings right for 
your personal situation. Out of the box, the settings are a bit crude. 
Somehow, I do not like very much the HDR aspect of the screen images 
presented: colours are too 'violent' or 'contrasted' imo.

> 
> Also, tilting the monitor downward helped a little. Tomorrow I will get 
> out my wrench and lower it an inch or so. (It is attached to a set of 
> arms.)
> 
> Lastly, I odered an IPS monitor which may help prevent the screen from 
> 'fading' at oblique angles.
> 

That might certainly help.

I use Win10 on a laptop, so no external screen. I am in the process of 
gradually migrating my stuff from the Win7 PC to this new machine. I 
still have some adjustments to do where the screen output is concerned.

-- 
Thomas

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I found Rufus to be helpful when burning sticks - looks like sometimes I've used
MagicIso and VirtualCloneDrive and ... IsoProx(?)

But I got the strong whiff of bad things with the pathologically overzealous
push to Win10, and that just got me to start seriously exploring options for
software, services, and operating systems that don't charge me money to "update"
my system, lock me out when I don't pay (rent), spy on me, steal and sell my
data to 3rd parties, and use their ill gotten gains to make the world a more
miserable place.

So, no M$, Facebook, instagram, twitter, amazon, google, I try to use video
services other than YT, etc.

If simply installing an OS can make you physically ill, then I'd delete it and
never look back.  I'm guessing that a monitor issue may just be the tip of the
iceberg.

Caveat emptor
Mice only fall for the trap because they don't understand why the proffered
goodies that they desire are "free".

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Op 04/08/2019 om 14:40 schreef Bald Eagle:
> I found Rufus to be helpful when burning sticks - looks like sometimes I've used
> MagicIso and VirtualCloneDrive and ... IsoProx(?)
> 
> But I got the strong whiff of bad things with the pathologically overzealous
> push to Win10, and that just got me to start seriously exploring options for
> software, services, and operating systems that don't charge me money to "update"
> my system, lock me out when I don't pay (rent), spy on me, steal and sell my
> data to 3rd parties, and use their ill gotten gains to make the world a more
> miserable place.
> 
> So, no M$, Facebook, instagram, twitter, amazon, google, I try to use video
> services other than YT, etc.
> 
> If simply installing an OS can make you physically ill, then I'd delete it and
> never look back.  I'm guessing that a monitor issue may just be the tip of the
> iceberg.
> 
> Caveat emptor
> Mice only fall for the trap because they don't understand why the proffered
> goodies that they desire are "free".
> 

Amen.

I do not share completely your dark view. It is a user's choice to share 
his/her (private) life with the world at large. Otherwise, one is fairly 
safe imho. Of all the services you mention, I do not use any one except 
Microsoft as my OS, and Google through the filter of Startpage on 
Firefox (plus the necessary addons for privacy), not to mention a high 
end virus/malware checker or two. I can assure you that not much is 
going out from here (or going in for that matter) without my knowing it.

However, a calculated risk is part of life. When I go out on my bicycle 
or my car, I am at the mercy of whatever my happen without my will or 
knowledge. ;-)

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hi,

Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 04/08/2019 om 14:40 schreef Bald Eagle:
> > So, no M$, Facebook, instagram, twitter, amazon, google, I try to use video
> > services other than YT, etc.
> > ... Caveat emptor
>
> ... It is a user's choice to share his/her (private) life with the world at large.
Otherwise, ...

you'd think so, but if you visit website A and they have these "like"/"share"
buttons for (un)social media on the page, your browser etc details will be
forwarded to those "service" providers -- even in cases where you do not have an
account with any of the companies involved.

"Studies have shown that people's right to the belief in privacy..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_with_social_networking_services#Privacy_concerns

anyway.


regards, jr.

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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> > ... It is a user's choice to share his/her (private) life with the world at large.
Otherwise, ...

It _should_ be .....

> you'd think so, but ...


^ What jr said.  :D


Try Quant search engine with Brave browser.  Word has it that Firefox/Mozilla is
selling people out, and Brave is the next increment forward on that front.

I've had to ditch chrome, opera and firefox....
I think icecat might still be ok, as well as numerous other 3rd party browsers.

Good work locking down your system and monitoring the ins and outs.   :)

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Op 05/08/2019 om 12:58 schreef Bald Eagle:
> "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> 
>>> ... It is a user's choice to share his/her (private) life with the world at large.
Otherwise, ...
> 
> It _should_ be .....
> 
>> you'd think so, but ...
> 
> 
> ^ What jr said.  :D

I am probably naive :-) but I never (repeat "never") indulge in 
like/dislike questions and such... I am not interested in those 
sites/questions.

> 
> 
> Try Quant search engine with Brave browser.  Word has it that Firefox/Mozilla is
> selling people out, and Brave is the next increment forward on that front.

I can recommend Startpage.com on firefox which, according to the leading 
consummer organisation/journal here in NL, is superior in privacy 
protection while at the same time using google for searches. It is Dutch 
too ;-)

> 
> I've had to ditch chrome, opera and firefox....
> I think icecat might still be ok, as well as numerous other 3rd party browsers.
> 
> Good work locking down your system and monitoring the ins and outs.   :)
> 

Well, as far as I am able and aware of course ;-) I never had to 
complain though.

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Thomas

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hi,

Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Op 05/08/2019 om 12:58 schreef Bald Eagle:
> > "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >>> ... It is a user's choice to share his/her (private) life with the world at
large. Otherwise, ...
> > It _should_ be .....
> >> you'd think so, but ...
> > ^ What jr said.  :D
>
> I am probably naive :-) but I never (repeat "never") indulge in
> like/dislike questions and such... I am not interested in those
> sites/questions.

the point is that you do not have to "indulge", it is all taken care of, for
your .. convenience, of course.

say you go on to the BBC's news web site.  scenario: you open a new tab in your
browser and type in the url, and as soon as the home page appears, you close the
tab.  your "visit" has now been registered (incl browser details + ip address)
with Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram (links at bottom left of page).  no
clicking needed, the stakeholders know there's no point in relying on the user.


regards, jr.

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"jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> the point is that you do not have to "indulge", it is all taken care of, for
> your .. convenience, of course.

And through the unread all-encompassing EULA.


https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/090716/7-ways-amazon-uses-big-data-stalk-you-amzn.asp
https://www.theloop.ca/tech-companies-stealing-data-exactly/
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-sells-future-powered-your-personal-data-n870501

And it's not just online:
https://www.amazon.com/Spychips-Major-Corporations-Government-Purchase/dp/0452287669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrITx7_tTT0     (short)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFcPdJ12bbs     (long)

http://techrights.org/2019/06/30/how-free-libre-software-comes-under-attack/

This is of course just the very tip of the iceberg.
Look at what China is doing with facial recognition and "social credit".

It's not just any one single thing.  It's the totality of the data collection
and correlation and cross-referencing, and machine learning and
interpolation.....
The sheer scale and scope and speed of which people could have hardly ever
imagined, and still have no idea the extent to which what has already been
collected can be applied to.


1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.

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hi,

"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> ...
> It's not just any one single thing.  It's the totality of the data collection
> and correlation and cross-referencing, ...

spot on, time to listen.,  :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC4RFY8vtuM


regards, jr.

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Op 05/08/2019 om 19:31 schreef Bald Eagle:
> "jr" <cre### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> 
>> the point is that you do not have to "indulge", it is all taken care of, for
>> your .. convenience, of course.
> 
> And through the unread all-encompassing EULA.
> 
> 
>
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/090716/7-ways-amazon-uses-big-data-stalk-you-amzn.asp
> https://www.theloop.ca/tech-companies-stealing-data-exactly/
>
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-sells-future-powered-your-personal-data-n870501
> 
> And it's not just online:
> https://www.amazon.com/Spychips-Major-Corporations-Government-Purchase/dp/0452287669
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrITx7_tTT0     (short)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFcPdJ12bbs     (long)
> 
> http://techrights.org/2019/06/30/how-free-libre-software-comes-under-attack/
> 
> This is of course just the very tip of the iceberg.
> Look at what China is doing with facial recognition and "social credit".
> 
> It's not just any one single thing.  It's the totality of the data collection
> and correlation and cross-referencing, and machine learning and
> interpolation.....
> The sheer scale and scope and speed of which people could have hardly ever
> imagined, and still have no idea the extent to which what has already been
> collected can be applied to.
> 
> 
> 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
> 

I fully agree of course with that. In practice however, that would mean 
that you could not do anything nor go anywhere if you wanted to browse 
anonymously (Oh yes! there is VPN!); My philosophy is therefore: to hell 
and I don't care (within respectable limits) as long as I can protect 
myself from any targeted ads and such, which I have been able to do 
until now for the last thirty five years or so. It is a pain in the 
proverbial a****, but I feel more concerns about what is happening in 
the world at large at the hands of the ubiquitous fools (granted, also 
marginally pushed by the 1984 developments you so rightly mention).

To return to the original topic:
The problems Mike mentioned made me think of those felt by severe 
migraine or epileptic patients (believe me, I know what I am talking 
about from my immediate surroundings unfortunately). The solution is 
therefore to use plain, discrete colours as screen backgrounds instead 
of images/photos. I am not convinced about win10 itself being at the 
source of the complaints; or Mike means something else of course...

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Thomas

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On Sat, 03 Aug 2019 09:56:27 -0400, dick balaska wrote:

> Games/DirectX need access to the hardware.

More recent versions of VMware (and I think Virtual Box) can handle 
accelerated video (including 3D support) pretty well with a supported 
host OS driver.

Jim
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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:30:26 -0400, Mike Horvath wrote:

> Have you ever used a software and felt nauseous? I just installed
> Windows 10 and I feel eyestrain, headachy and almost like I will puke,
> like riding in a bumpy car.
> 
> :(
> 
> 
> Michael

Check the refresh rate on the video hardware.  I've known people for whom 
the refresh rate could trigger feelings of nausea.



-- 
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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On 8/8/2019 7:43 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:30:26 -0400, Mike Horvath wrote:
> 
>> Have you ever used a software and felt nauseous? I just installed
>> Windows 10 and I feel eyestrain, headachy and almost like I will puke,
>> like riding in a bumpy car.
>>
>> :(
>>
>>
>> Michael
> 
> Check the refresh rate on the video hardware.  I've known people for whom
> the refresh rate could trigger feelings of nausea.
> 
> 
> 

Update: after nearly two months I have gotten used to it and it no 
longer bothers me.

I also bought a nice IPS monitor in the meantime.


Michael

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