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I usually use Thunderbird to read and write messages. Crashing of
Thunderbird while loading a too heavy image made me go and log in to the
site directly as I wanted to reply. The warning I got was that the
connection to news.povray.org was not secure, which made me hesitate to
go on.
I wonder if this should not be corrected in view of the state of the
(internet) world nowadays. Lack of the basic site protections feels
wrong (and threatening) and particularly outdated.
What do you think?
--
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degroot org> wrote:
> I usually use Thunderbird to read and write messages. Crashing of
> Thunderbird while loading a too heavy image made me go and log in to the
> site directly as I wanted to reply. The warning I got was that the
> connection to news.povray.org was not secure, which made me hesitate to
> go on.
>
> I wonder if this should not be corrected in view of the state of the
> (internet) world nowadays. Lack of the basic site protections feels
> wrong (and threatening) and particularly outdated.
>
> What do you think?
>
> --
> Thomas
I think you need to show some RFID-embedded biometric-enhanced ID, pal.
This doesn't sound like the Devil-may-care, swashbuckling TdG, _I_ know...
Somebody log this joker's IP and check on the REAL TdG.
:-P
Do we really need HTTPS?
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On 10/09/2018 11:28, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> I usually use Thunderbird to read and write messages. Crashing of
>> Thunderbird while loading a too heavy image made me go and log in to the
>> site directly as I wanted to reply. The warning I got was that the
>> connection to news.povray.org was not secure, which made me hesitate to
>> go on.
>>
>> I wonder if this should not be corrected in view of the state of the
>> (internet) world nowadays. Lack of the basic site protections feels
>> wrong (and threatening) and particularly outdated.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> I think you need to show some RFID-embedded biometric-enhanced ID, pal.
>
> This doesn't sound like the Devil-may-care, swashbuckling TdG, _I_ know...
>
> Somebody log this joker's IP and check on the REAL TdG.
>
>
>
>
>
He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>
>
>
>
> :-P
>
> Do we really need HTTPS?
>
At the dawn of the Big Data era. It pays to be careful.
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Regards
Stephen
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Security issue of news.povray.org
Date: 10 Sep 2018 07:13:02
Message: <5b9651be@news.povray.org>
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On 10-9-2018 12:28, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> I usually use Thunderbird to read and write messages. Crashing of
>> Thunderbird while loading a too heavy image made me go and log in to the
>> site directly as I wanted to reply. The warning I got was that the
>> connection to news.povray.org was not secure, which made me hesitate to
>> go on.
>>
>> I wonder if this should not be corrected in view of the state of the
>> (internet) world nowadays. Lack of the basic site protections feels
>> wrong (and threatening) and particularly outdated.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> I think you need to show some RFID-embedded biometric-enhanced ID, pal.
Nah. That would blow up the site.
>
> This doesn't sound like the Devil-may-care, swashbuckling TdG, _I_ know...
>
> Somebody log this joker's IP and check on the REAL TdG.
>
That's what I mean: that swashbuckling one is phony to the core! Trust
me, I know ;-)
>
> :-P
>
> Do we really need HTTPS?
>
More than ever imo. Or better, as HTTPS is also being taken over
gradually by the dark side.
--
Thomas
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On 10/09/2018 16:47, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I usually use Thunderbird to read and write messages. Crashing of
> Thunderbird while loading a too heavy image made me go and log in to the
> site directly as I wanted to reply. The warning I got was that the
> connection to news.povray.org was not secure, which made me hesitate to
> go on.
>
> I wonder if this should not be corrected in view of the state of the
> (internet) world nowadays. Lack of the basic site protections feels
> wrong (and threatening) and particularly outdated.
Thanks for pointing this out. Indeed we don't have SSL enabled for the
news server as our current three-name cert is maxed out. I've set in
motion an application for a wildcard cert and when I get that I'll add
news to the SSL configuration.
-- Chris
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
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Folks,
SSL access to the forums is now enabled: https://news.povray.org/
-- Chris
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On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>
> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>
For comfort, I believe. ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 06:28:42 -0400, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Do we really need HTTPS?
Using Thunderbird, that'd be NNTP over SSL, rather than HTTPS.
Since the server doesn't require authentication, using SSL with NNTP
doesn't really make a huge difference.
Jim
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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> SSL access to the forums is now enabled: https://news.povray.org/
>
> -- Chris
Great news, thanks.
But I just tried the link using Firefox (Sept 10, 2:13pm EST in the US) and it
doesn't load ("the connection has timed out.") I tried it twice.
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On 09/10/2018 02:15 PM, Kenneth wrote:
> Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> SSL access to the forums is now enabled: https://news.povray.org/
>>
>> -- Chris
>
> Great news, thanks.
>
> But I just tried the link using Firefox (Sept 10, 2:13pm EST in the US) and it
> doesn't load ("the connection has timed out.") I tried it twice.
>
>
>
Still no go at 22:39 America/New York time.
$ telnet news.povray.org 443
Trying 203.29.75.35...
[ in the Sponge Bob Cousteau voice: "5 minutes later..." ]
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
$
--
dik
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On 9/10/2018 10:42 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> Sponge Bob Cousteau
Is the voice inside your computer?
Mike
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On 9/11/2018 12:33 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 9/10/2018 10:42 PM, dick balaska wrote:
>> Sponge Bob Cousteau
>
> Is the voice inside your computer?
>
>
> Mike
Linux really is amazing, isn't it?
Mike
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Security issue of news.povray.org
Date: 11 Sep 2018 02:28:35
Message: <5b976093@news.povray.org>
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On 10-9-2018 16:51, Stephen wrote:
> On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>
>>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>>
>> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>>
>
> For comfort, I believe. ;)
>
Mmm! hmmm! mpmmfff!....
[foams at the mouth]
--
Thomas
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On 10-9-2018 16:32, Chris Cason wrote:
> Folks,
>
> SSL access to the forums is now enabled: https://news.povray.org/
>
> -- Chris
>
Thanks a lot Chris. I appreciate the fast response. However, same
connection problem here as Kenneth and Dick.
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Thomas
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On 11/09/2018 16:39, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Thanks a lot Chris. I appreciate the fast response. However, same
> connection problem here as Kenneth and Dick.
Thanks for pointing this out; this will teach me to test connections
from outside my office as well as here ;). I hadn't enabled port 443 for
that IP via the firewall, so it was blocked to anyone but me (my IP is
whitelisted).
Working now, I hope!
-- Chris
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On 11/09/2018 07:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 10-9-2018 16:51, Stephen wrote:
>> On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>>>
>>> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>>>
>>
>> For comfort, I believe. ;)
>>
>
> Mmm! hmmm! mpmmfff!....
>
> [foams at the mouth]
>
That's it Thomas. :)
The men with their stovepipe hats and their ladies, have all paid there
shilling. (6p for children under eight.)
It is show time and there will be some old cheese in it, for you. :D
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Security issue of news.povray.org
Date: 11 Sep 2018 05:02:18
Message: <5b97849a@news.povray.org>
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On 11-9-2018 10:58, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/09/2018 07:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 10-9-2018 16:51, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For comfort, I believe. ;)
>>>
>>
>> Mmm! hmmm! mpmmfff!....
>>
>> [foams at the mouth]
>>
>
> That's it Thomas. :)
> The men with their stovepipe hats and their ladies, have all paid there
> shilling. (6p for children under eight.)
> It is show time and there will be some old cheese in it, for you. :D
>
>
To tell the truth: it is a tiring job. Can you now unlock the door please?
--
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Security issue of news.povray.org
Date: 11 Sep 2018 05:09:29
Message: <5b978649@news.povray.org>
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On 11-9-2018 9:18, Chris Cason wrote:
> On 11/09/2018 16:39, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Thanks a lot Chris. I appreciate the fast response. However, same
>> connection problem here as Kenneth and Dick.
>
> Thanks for pointing this out; this will teach me to test connections
> from outside my office as well as here ;). I hadn't enabled port 443 for
> that IP via the firewall, so it was blocked to anyone but me (my IP is
> whitelisted).
>
> Working now, I hope!
>
It does indeed. Thanks again!
--
Thomas
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On 11/09/2018 10:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 11-9-2018 10:58, Stephen wrote:
>> On 11/09/2018 07:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 10-9-2018 16:51, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For comfort, I believe. ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mmm! hmmm! mpmmfff!....
>>>
>>> [foams at the mouth]
>>>
>>
>> That's it Thomas. :)
>> The men with their stovepipe hats and their ladies, have all paid
>> there shilling. (6p for children under eight.)
>> It is show time and there will be some old cheese in it, for you. :D
>>
>>
>
> To tell the truth: it is a tiring job. Can you now unlock the door please?
>
The key is under the soap. ;-)
--
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Stephen
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Security issue of news.povray.org
Date: 11 Sep 2018 07:03:20
Message: <5b97a0f8@news.povray.org>
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On 11-9-2018 11:48, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/09/2018 10:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 11-9-2018 10:58, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 11/09/2018 07:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 10-9-2018 16:51, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>>>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For comfort, I believe. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mmm! hmmm! mpmmfff!....
>>>>
>>>> [foams at the mouth]
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's it Thomas. :)
>>> The men with their stovepipe hats and their ladies, have all paid
>>> there shilling. (6p for children under eight.)
>>> It is show time and there will be some old cheese in it, for you. :D
>>>
>>>
>>
>> To tell the truth: it is a tiring job. Can you now unlock the door
>> please?
>>
>
> The key is under the soap. ;-)
>
>
What?! I just flushed the soap away... no key...
--
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On 11/09/2018 12:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 11-9-2018 11:48, Stephen wrote:
>> On 11/09/2018 10:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 11-9-2018 10:58, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 11/09/2018 07:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>> On 10-9-2018 16:51, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>>>>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For comfort, I believe. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mmm! hmmm! mpmmfff!....
>>>>>
>>>>> [foams at the mouth]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's it Thomas. :)
>>>> The men with their stovepipe hats and their ladies, have all paid
>>>> there shilling. (6p for children under eight.)
>>>> It is show time and there will be some old cheese in it, for you. :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> To tell the truth: it is a tiring job. Can you now unlock the door
>>> please?
>>>
>>
>> The key is under the soap. ;-)
>>
>>
>
>
> What?! I just flushed the soap away... no key...
>
Maybe one of the fine ladies will take it into her head to rescue you. I
could sell her a key, for a price.
--
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Stephen
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Security issue of news.povray.org
Date: 12 Sep 2018 07:10:42
Message: <5b98f432@news.povray.org>
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On 12-9-2018 12:23, Stephen wrote:
> On 11/09/2018 12:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 11-9-2018 11:48, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 11/09/2018 10:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 11-9-2018 10:58, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 11/09/2018 07:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>> On 10-9-2018 16:51, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/09/2018 14:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>>>>>>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He only swashbuckles in safe environments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, I thought all that padding in his room was ... nevermind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For comfort, I believe. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mmm! hmmm! mpmmfff!....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [foams at the mouth]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's it Thomas. :)
>>>>> The men with their stovepipe hats and their ladies, have all paid
>>>>> there shilling. (6p for children under eight.)
>>>>> It is show time and there will be some old cheese in it, for you. :D
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To tell the truth: it is a tiring job. Can you now unlock the door
>>>> please?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The key is under the soap. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> What?! I just flushed the soap away... no key...
>>
>
> Maybe one of the fine ladies will take it into her head to rescue you. I
> could sell her a key, for a price.
>
[Loop. See 5 messages earlier]
--
Thomas
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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
>
> Thanks for pointing this out; this will teach me to test connections
> from outside my office as well as here ;). I hadn't enabled port 443 for
> that IP via the firewall, so it was blocked to anyone but me (my IP is
> whitelisted).
>
> Working now, I hope!
>
I just noticed that the newsgroup log-in page-- using the web interface (and
Firefox)-- is still not secure (no https there, as far as I can see, and the
little 'lock' logo has a line through it). Should it be secured as well?
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On 15/09/2018 04:33, Kenneth wrote:
> I just noticed that the newsgroup log-in page-- using the web interface (and
> Firefox)-- is still not secure (no https there, as far as I can see, and the
> little 'lock' logo has a line through it). Should it be secured as well?
Technically it was, but you needed to manually visit the HTTPS site
(i.e. https://www.povray.org/). I just tweaked the site config so that
anyone landing on http://www.povray.org/community gets redirected to the
secure version. Hopefully this won't have any unintended side-effects as
there's several other server rules that apply to that path. If you see
anything misbehaving please let me know.
-- Chris
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On 14/09/2018 19:47, Chris Cason wrote:
> On 15/09/2018 04:33, Kenneth wrote:
>> I just noticed that the newsgroup log-in page-- using the web interface (and
>> Firefox)-- is still not secure (no https there, as far as I can see, and the
>> little 'lock' logo has a line through it). Should it be secured as well?
> Technically it was, but you needed to manually visit the HTTPS site
> (i.e. https://www.povray.org/). I just tweaked the site config so that
> anyone landing on http://www.povray.org/community gets redirected to the
> secure version. Hopefully this won't have any unintended side-effects as
> there's several other server rules that apply to that path. If you see
> anything misbehaving please let me know.
>
> -- Chris
>
Sorry
The connection has timed out
The server at www.povray.org is taking too long to respond.
--
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Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 14/09/2018 19:47, Chris Cason wrote:
>
> ...Hopefully this won't have any unintended side-effects as
> > there's several other server rules that apply to that path. If you see
> > anything misbehaving please let me know.
> >
> > -- Chris
> >
>
> Sorry
>
>
> The connection has timed out
>
> The server at www.povray.org is taking too long to respond.
>
That's strange; everything is working OK for me. I tested both the original
unsecured
http://news.povray.org/groups/
page, and the new secured one. (That's generally how I get to the newsgroups.)
In both cases, when I fire-up a fresh Firefox, go to the 'groups' page, then go
to this particular message thread and log-in to leave a message (this one, in
fact!), the log-in page is now secure, and with no time-out. I also tried going
*directly* to an old POV-Ray message thread that I bookmarked-- thus by-passing
any other newsgroup related web pages-- and the new scheme still works.
[I have Firefox set to erase passwords and such when I exit it , if that has
anything to do with the problem. I don't keep the program active all the time.]
Or maybe it's a web-portal vs. newsreader problem?
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Security issue of news.povray.org
Date: 15 Sep 2018 02:41:25
Message: <5b9ca995@news.povray.org>
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On 15-9-2018 0:35, Kenneth wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 14/09/2018 19:47, Chris Cason wrote:
>>
>> ...Hopefully this won't have any unintended side-effects as
>>> there's several other server rules that apply to that path. If you see
>>> anything misbehaving please let me know.
>>>
>>> -- Chris
>>>
>>
>> Sorry
>>
>>
>> The connection has timed out
>>
>> The server at www.povray.org is taking too long to respond.
>>
>
> That's strange; everything is working OK for me. I tested both the original
> unsecured
> http://news.povray.org/groups/
> page, and the new secured one. (That's generally how I get to the newsgroups.)
> In both cases, when I fire-up a fresh Firefox, go to the 'groups' page, then go
> to this particular message thread and log-in to leave a message (this one, in
> fact!), the log-in page is now secure, and with no time-out. I also tried going
> *directly* to an old POV-Ray message thread that I bookmarked-- thus by-passing
> any other newsgroup related web pages-- and the new scheme still works.
>
> [I have Firefox set to erase passwords and such when I exit it , if that has
> anything to do with the problem. I don't keep the program active all the time.]
>
> Or maybe it's a web-portal vs. newsreader problem?
>
Same here. It works without a glitch.
Be sure to delete the 'old' addresses to avoid confusion in you
bookmarks file.
--
Thomas
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On 15/09/2018 07:41, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 15-9-2018 0:35, Kenneth wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2018 19:47, Chris Cason wrote:
>>>
>>> ...Hopefully this won't have any unintended side-effects as
>>>> there's several other server rules that apply to that path. If you see
>>>> anything misbehaving please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> -- Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry
>>>
>>>
>>> The connection has timed out
>>>
>>> The server at www.povray.org is taking too long to respond.
>>>
>>
>> That's strange; everything is working OK for me. I tested both the
>> original
>> unsecured
>> http://news.povray.org/groups/
>> page, and the new secured one. (That's generally how I get to the
>> newsgroups.)
>> In both cases, when I fire-up a fresh Firefox, go to the 'groups'
>> page, then go
>> to this particular message thread and log-in to leave a message (this
>> one, in
>> fact!), the log-in page is now secure, and with no time-out. I also
>> tried going
>> *directly* to an old POV-Ray message thread that I bookmarked-- thus
>> by-passing
>> any other newsgroup related web pages-- and the new scheme still works.
>>
>> [I have Firefox set to erase passwords and such when I exit it , if
>> that has
>> anything to do with the problem. I don't keep the program active all
>> the time.]
>>
>> Or maybe it's a web-portal vs. newsreader problem?
>>
>
> Same here. It works without a glitch.
>
I get onto the site now. Maybe three of us were trying to access it at
the same time. ;)
> Be sure to delete the 'old' addresses to avoid confusion in you
> bookmarks file.
>
>
I changed them to https instead
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Regards
Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
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> I get onto the site now. Maybe three of us were trying to access it at
> the same time. ;)
>
Network overload!!
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On 2018-09-10 10:32 AM (-4), Chris Cason wrote:
> Folks,
>
> SSL access to the forums is now enabled: https://news.povray.org/
>
> -- Chris
The Object Collection (lib.povray.org) does not work with HTTPS.
Also, I am not getting redirected from the old URLs, though I don't know
if it's a problem on my end.
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On 16/09/2018 01:24, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> On 2018-09-10 10:32 AM (-4), Chris Cason wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> SSL access to the forums is now enabled: https://news.povray.org/
>>
>> -- Chris
>
> The Object Collection (lib.povray.org) does not work with HTTPS.
>
> Also, I am not getting redirected from the old URLs, though I don't know
> if it's a problem on my end.
>
Chris said it was just the one address that redirected you.
http://www.povray.org/community
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Stephen
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On 15/09/2018 23:41, Kenneth wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>>
>> I get onto the site now. Maybe three of us were trying to access it at
>> the same time. ;)
>>
>
> Network overload!!
>
Stress test. :)
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Stephen
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