I think John Oliver has got it right.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/john-oliver-late-show-tonight-london-terror-attack-london-bridge-response-a7772901.html


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On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:41:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> I think John Oliver has got it right.
> 
> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/john-oliver-
late-show-tonight-london-terror-attack-london-bridge-response-
a7772901.html

Yep, we were cheering him on.

We have good friends who live in Bucks, and one of them used to work in 
Richmond House.  We once asked them how they dealt with the constant 
threat of terror from the IRA, and they said "We live our lives.  We're 
not stupid about how we do that, but we also aren't going to let the IRA  
make us afraid to live our lives and enjoy them."

Wise words.

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On 6/6/2017 10:20 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:41:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> I think John Oliver has got it right.
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/john-oliver-
> late-show-tonight-london-terror-attack-london-bridge-response-
> a7772901.html
>
> Yep, we were cheering him on.
>
> We have good friends who live in Bucks, and one of them used to work in
> Richmond House.  We once asked them how they dealt with the constant
> threat of terror from the IRA, and they said "We live our lives.  We're
> not stupid about how we do that, but we also aren't going to let the IRA
> make us afraid to live our lives and enjoy them."
>
> Wise words.
>

It is the only way to do it. You've got more chance of winning the 
lottery...


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On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 22:47:07 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/6/2017 10:20 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:41:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I think John Oliver has got it right.
>>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/john-oliver-
>> late-show-tonight-london-terror-attack-london-bridge-response-
>> a7772901.html
>>
>> Yep, we were cheering him on.
>>
>> We have good friends who live in Bucks, and one of them used to work in
>> Richmond House.  We once asked them how they dealt with the constant
>> threat of terror from the IRA, and they said "We live our lives.  We're
>> not stupid about how we do that, but we also aren't going to let the
>> IRA make us afraid to live our lives and enjoy them."
>>
>> Wise words.
>>
>>
> It is the only way to do it. You've got more chance of winning the
> lottery...

Yep.

Saying anything more than that on my part would get too political for me 
here. :)

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On 6/6/2017 11:08 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 22:47:07 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2017 10:20 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:41:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think John Oliver has got it right.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/john-oliver-
>>> late-show-tonight-london-terror-attack-london-bridge-response-
>>> a7772901.html
>>>
>>> Yep, we were cheering him on.
>>>
>>> We have good friends who live in Bucks, and one of them used to work in
>>> Richmond House.  We once asked them how they dealt with the constant
>>> threat of terror from the IRA, and they said "We live our lives.  We're
>>> not stupid about how we do that, but we also aren't going to let the
>>> IRA make us afraid to live our lives and enjoy them."
>>>
>>> Wise words.
>>>
>>>
>> It is the only way to do it. You've got more chance of winning the
>> lottery...
>
> Yep.
>
> Saying anything more than that on my part would get too political for me
> here. :)
>

Understood.
But consider the carnage they could have caused if firearms were readily 
available here.
With that in mind. They weren't very effective. Considering they had the 
element of surprise.

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On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 05:25:58 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> Understood.
> But consider the carnage they could have caused if firearms were readily
> available here.
> With that in mind. They weren't very effective. Considering they had the
> element of surprise.

Absolutely.  But some here will say "see, they found a way in spite of 
the fact that there aren't firearms readily available" - and will ignore 
the fact that this was a largely ineffective attack.

Jim
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On 6/7/2017 4:56 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 05:25:58 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Understood.
>> But consider the carnage they could have caused if firearms were readily
>> available here.
>> With that in mind. They weren't very effective. Considering they had the
>> element of surprise.
>
> Absolutely.  But some here will say "see, they found a way in spite of
> the fact that there aren't firearms readily available"

Naturally that is what people do. Whatever the issue.

> - and will ignore
> the fact that this was a largely ineffective attack.
>


I think it is a little bit taboo to bring that up. Either you don't want 
to admit it. Or, if you are on the other side (mine) it would be 
offensive to the victims and their families.

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Am 2017-06-06 17:47, also sprach Stephen:

> 
> It is the only way to do it. You've got more chance of winning the 
> lottery...
> 
> 

After Sandy Hook, we spent billions turning our schools into 
mini-prisons.  I pointed out that that was a total waste of money.
Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school. 
I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of 
packed busloads of kids."

And I followed it up with my goto line.
"You are so concerned about something that is not going to happen, yet 
you ignore the 300 people that died on Connecticut's roads last year 
while you happily text and drive."

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On 6/7/2017 9:35 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-06-06 17:47, also sprach Stephen:
>
>>
>> It is the only way to do it. You've got more chance of winning the
>> lottery...
>>
>>
>
> After Sandy Hook, we spent billions turning our schools into
> mini-prisons.  I pointed out that that was a total waste of money.

Not  total waste of money. It shows to the world/community that the 
authorities are doing something, however ineffectual. Throwing money at 
the wrong problem. Personally I believe the real problem is social 
inequality, at least it is in Britain. People get pissed off with their 
lives and crack or here in the UK get radicalised. But changing that 
seems to be too hard to admit. At least for politicians who want to get 
re-elected.
When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened up 
our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in the 
states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.


> Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
> Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school.
> I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of
> packed busloads of kids."
>

Mr. Popularity at the PTA. ;)

> And I followed it up with my goto line.
> "You are so concerned about something that is not going to happen, yet
> you ignore the 300 people that died on Connecticut's roads last year
> while you happily text and drive."
>

Don't get me started on that one. I would jail anyone caught doing it. 
(Well I like to think I would. Threatening to take away their licences 
would probable be better.)

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On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 23:07:30 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened up
> our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in the
> states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.

The unthinkable has happened here in the US.  Several times.  The answer 
is always "more guns".  Ridiculous.

But let it be an "Islamic Terrorist," and we're willing to give away ALL 
of our freedoms.  How much money did we waste over here on those damn 
backscatter X-Ray machines?  Billions.  Know what?  They replaced them 
recently - with dogs.  The dogs were shown to be more effective.  Last 
time I flew somewhere (last year), I had to put my shoes *BACK ON* and 
put my laptop back in my bag because the dogs were that much more 
effective.  I held up the line because I'd followed the old nonsensical 
procedures.

Seems we could've figured that shit out 15 years ago and saved a ton of 
money.

But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible exploding 
laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be checked for 
most international flights.  Because in the hold is so much safer.  Along 
with a planeload of bored passengers because they don't have their 
laptops or tablets, and didn't think to bring a book or six.

And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check our 
electronics now, too.  Hurray, capitalism. <grump>

Jim
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Am 2017-06-07 18:07, also sprach Stephen:
> On 6/7/2017 9:35 PM, dick balaska wrote:

> 
>> Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
>> Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school.
>> I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of
>> packed busloads of kids."
>>
> 
> Mr. Popularity at the PTA. ;)
> 

The only guy who agreed with me out loud was the HS principal.  He tried 
to take the new security funds and use it to upgrade some 
infrastructure. "Gotta run fibre for those new cameras".  Instead he got 
a bulletproof door (surrounded by not bulletproof windows).

I would have liked to replace all of the textbooks with kindles or iPads.

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dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoftcom> wrote:

> The only guy who agreed with me out loud was the HS principal.  He tried
> to take the new security funds and use it to upgrade some
> infrastructure. "Gotta run fibre for those new cameras".  Instead he got
> a bulletproof door (surrounded by not bulletproof windows).
>
> I would have liked to replace all of the textbooks with kindles or iPads.

Paranoia sells.

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On 6/8/2017 4:14 AM, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-06-07 18:07, also sprach Stephen:
>> On 6/7/2017 9:35 PM, dick balaska wrote:
>
>>
>>> Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
>>> Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school.
>>> I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of
>>> packed busloads of kids."
>>>
>>
>> Mr. Popularity at the PTA. ;)
>>
>
> The only guy who agreed with me out loud was the HS principal.  He tried
> to take the new security funds and use it to upgrade some
> infrastructure. "Gotta run fibre for those new cameras".  Instead he got
> a bulletproof door (surrounded by not bulletproof windows).
>

Shakes head then buries it in the sand.


> I would have liked to replace all of the textbooks with kindles or iPads.
>

In the UK they could buy school books. Our schools are supposed to 
supply them, gratis. But their budgets have been slashed so that big 
companies can get tax cuts.

Today we are having a general election.
I was going to have a short rant about the political parties policies. 
But I am too disheartened. :(

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On 6/7/2017 11:19 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 23:07:30 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened up
>> our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in the
>> states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.
>
> The unthinkable has happened here in the US.  Several times.  The answer
> is always "more guns".  Ridiculous.
>

The right to bear arm is a god given comma. So anyone who criticise it 
is criticising God.


> But let it be an "Islamic Terrorist," and we're willing to give away ALL
> of our freedoms.  How much money did we waste over here on those damn
> backscatter X-Ray machines?  Billions.

We use millimetre wave scanners. Too many X-Rays can give you cancer. [FYI]

> Know what?  They replaced them
> recently - with dogs.  The dogs were shown to be more effective.  Last
> time I flew somewhere (last year), I had to put my shoes *BACK ON* and
> put my laptop back in my bag because the dogs were that much more
> effective.  I held up the line because I'd followed the old nonsensical
> procedures.
>

It is hard to keep up with the rule changes.

> Seems we could've figured that shit out 15 years ago and saved a ton of
> money.
>

Again you have got to be seen doing something. And spending money is 
doing something.

Cynical, moi?

> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible exploding
> laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be checked for
> most international flights.  Because in the hold is so much safer.

Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.

> Along with a planeload of bored passengers because they don't have their
> laptops or tablets, and didn't think to bring a book or six.

But they are going to put WiFi on planes. People than then twitter they 
are bored the whole journey. ;)

>
> And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check our
> electronics now, too.  Hurray, capitalism. <grump>
>

Away to #@!k :)


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On 6/8/2017 8:01 AM, Stephen wrote:
> People than then twitter they are bored the whole journey. ;)

Oops!
People can then twitter that they are bored for the whole journey

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On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:01:33 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/7/2017 11:19 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 23:07:30 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened
>>> up our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in
>>> the states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.
>>
>> The unthinkable has happened here in the US.  Several times.  The
>> answer is always "more guns".  Ridiculous.
>>
>>
> The right to bear arm is a god given comma. So anyone who criticise it
> is criticising God.

Indeed.  We all know Jesus signed the US Constitution, after all. m-/

>> But let it be an "Islamic Terrorist," and we're willing to give away
>> ALL of our freedoms.  How much money did we waste over here on those
>> damn backscatter X-Ray machines?  Billions.
> 
> We use millimetre wave scanners. Too many X-Rays can give you cancer.
> [FYI]

Yeah.  mm wave scanners were also in use, IIRC.  Last time I was there?  
A dog at the head of the line that everyone walked past, and the 
magentometer.  Shoes on, laptop in my bag, no wait, no fuss - and more 
accurate.

>> Know what?  They replaced them recently - with dogs.  The dogs were
>> shown to be more effective.  Last time I flew somewhere (last year), I
>> had to put my shoes *BACK ON* and put my laptop back in my bag because
>> the dogs were that much more effective.  I held up the line because I'd
>> followed the old nonsensical procedures.
>>
>>
> It is hard to keep up with the rule changes.

Yup.

>> Seems we could've figured that shit out 15 years ago and saved a ton of
>> money.
>>
>>
> Again you have got to be seen doing something. And spending money is
> doing something.

Wasting money.  But then, we want to cut funding for things like the arts 
and general welfare - not corporate welfare, but just for those lazy 
bastards who haven't got a job.

> Cynical, moi?

You'd fit right in here. :)

>> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible exploding
>> laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be checked for
>> most international flights.  Because in the hold is so much safer.
> 
> Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.

I don't either.

>> Along with a planeload of bored passengers because they don't have
>> their laptops or tablets, and didn't think to bring a book or six.
> 
> But they are going to put WiFi on planes. People than then twitter they
> are bored the whole journey. ;)

From their phones, and you get to pay for the WiFi.  Many airlines have 
started depending on people bringing laptops and tablets for in-flight 
entertainment, too - the options are now on the in-flight WiFi using an 
app or a laptop's web browser.  Which, of course, may end up being in the 
hold, even (I read recently) for domestic flights in the US.

>> And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check
>> our electronics now, too.  Hurray, capitalism. <grump>
>>
>>
> Away to #@!k :)

Makes me glad I don't travel a lot these days, and when I do, it's 
usually by train to Vancouver.

Jim

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On 6/8/2017 4:27 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:01:33 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>

>> The right to bear arm is a god given comma. So anyone who criticise it
>> is criticising God.
>
> Indeed.  We all know Jesus signed the US Constitution, after all. m-/
>

Ah! So it is the third coming we are waiting for, now.
At least the English say that he walked upon England’s mountains green. ;)


>> Again you have got to be seen doing something. And spending money is
>> doing something.
>
> Wasting money.  But then, we want to cut funding for things like the arts
> and general welfare - not corporate welfare, but just for those lazy
> bastards who haven't got a job.
>

You should be voting for our Jeremy. :)


>> Cynical, moi?
>
> You'd fit right in here. :)
>

What as a disruptive alien?

>>> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible exploding
>>> laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be checked for
>>> most international flights.  Because in the hold is so much safer.
>>
>> Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.
>
> I don't either.
>
It must be people with bigger brains than ours.



>> But they are going to put WiFi on planes. People than then twitter they
>> are bored the whole journey. ;)
>
>  From their phones, and you get to pay for the WiFi.  Many airlines have
> started depending on people bringing laptops and tablets for in-flight
> entertainment, too - the options are now on the in-flight WiFi using an
> app or a laptop's web browser.  Which, of course, may end up being in the
> hold, even (I read recently) for domestic flights in the US.
>

I read last week that there are a couple of companies that are launching 
satellites mainly for Aeroplane WiFi.
It makes you wonder what they did on the Mayflower, for entertainment. :-J


>>> And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check
>>> our electronics now, too.  Hurray, capitalism. <grump>
>>>
>>>
>> Away to #@!k :)
>
> Makes me glad I don't travel a lot these days, and when I do, it's
> usually by train to Vancouver.
>

Me too. Not that I've ever been to Vancouver.


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On 6/8/2017 5:36 PM, Stephen wrote:
> Ah! So it is the third coming we are waiting for, now.
> At least the English say that he walked upon England’s mountains green. ;)

During his lifetime.

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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> Today we are having a general election.

Go, Corbyn!

.... is that too political?

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On 6/8/2017 6:02 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> Today we are having a general election.
>
> Go, Corbyn!
>
> ..... is that too political?
>
>

We are in purdah so I could not possibly comment. Until after 10 pm BST. ;)

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On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:36:46 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/8/2017 4:27 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:01:33 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The right to bear arm is a god given comma. So anyone who criticise it
>>> is criticising God.
>>
>> Indeed.  We all know Jesus signed the US Constitution, after all. m-/
>>
>>
> Ah! So it is the third coming we are waiting for, now.
> At least the English say that he walked upon England’s mountains green.
> ;)

Well, there is a religious sect that does say he came to North America.

>>> Again you have got to be seen doing something. And spending money is
>>> doing something.
>>
>> Wasting money.  But then, we want to cut funding for things like the
>> arts and general welfare - not corporate welfare, but just for those
>> lazy bastards who haven't got a job.
>>
>>
> You should be voting for our Jeremy. :)

Sadly, I probably would be.  Because if you don't vote for a lizard, the 
wrong lizard might get in (see US 2016 election).

>>> Cynical, moi?
>>
>> You'd fit right in here. :)
>>
>>
> What as a disruptive alien?

Sure, why not? :D

>>>> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible
>>>> exploding laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be
>>>> checked for most international flights.  Because in the hold is so
>>>> much safer.
>>>
>>> Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.
>>
>> I don't either.
>>
> It must be people with bigger brains than ours.

Or smaller.  That's the "problem" with people like us - we think too 
much, rather than going with our gut.

>>> But they are going to put WiFi on planes. People than then twitter
>>> they are bored the whole journey. ;)
>>
>>  From their phones, and you get to pay for the WiFi.  Many airlines
>>  have
>> started depending on people bringing laptops and tablets for in-flight
>> entertainment, too - the options are now on the in-flight WiFi using an
>> app or a laptop's web browser.  Which, of course, may end up being in
>> the hold, even (I read recently) for domestic flights in the US.
>>
>>
> I read last week that there are a couple of companies that are launching
> satellites mainly for Aeroplane WiFi.
> It makes you wonder what they did on the Mayflower, for entertainment.
> :-J

Indeed. :)

>>>> And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check
>>>> our electronics now, too.  Hurray, capitalism. <grump>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Away to #@!k :)
>>
>> Makes me glad I don't travel a lot these days, and when I do, it's
>> usually by train to Vancouver.
>>
>>
> Me too. Not that I've ever been to Vancouver.

It's nice up there.  I wish I had a reason to go up there this week, as 
one coworker's last day is tomorrow (her family moved cross-country, and 
she can't work remotely).

Jim
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On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:11:18 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/8/2017 6:02 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> Today we are having a general election.
>>
>> Go, Corbyn!
>>
>> ..... is that too political?
>>
>>
>>
> We are in purdah so I could not possibly comment. Until after 10 pm BST.
> ;)

I saw from The Guardian that the polls are saying the Tories are in the 
lead. m-/



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On 6/8/2017 6:11 PM, Stephen wrote:
> We are in purdah

Other matters:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40190204

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On 6/8/2017 6:21 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:11:18 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 6/8/2017 6:02 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>> Today we are having a general election.
>>>
>>> Go, Corbyn!
>>>
>>> ..... is that too political?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> We are in purdah so I could not possibly comment. Until after 10 pm BST.
>> ;)
>
> I saw from The Guardian that the polls are saying the Tories are in the
> lead. m-/
>
>
>
To be expected, to be honest.

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On 6/8/2017 6:21 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:36:46 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>
>> Ah! So it is the third coming we are waiting for, now.
>> At least the English say that he walked upon England’s mountains green.
>> ;)
>
> Well, there is a religious sect that does say he came to North America.
>

It must have been during his world tour. Fter he recuperated in India.



>>>
>>>
>> You should be voting for our Jeremy. :)
>
> Sadly, I probably would be.  Because if you don't vote for a lizard, the
> wrong lizard might get in (see US 2016 election).
>

He certainly isn't perfect. But he is polite and not a back stabber.



>>>> Cynical, moi?
>>>
>>> You'd fit right in here. :)
>>>

I don't think I did in New Mexico.
>>>
>> What as a disruptive alien?
>
> Sure, why not? :D
>

Guns and policemen?

>>>>> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible
>>>>> exploding laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be
>>>>> checked for most international flights.  Because in the hold is so
>>>>> much safer.
>>>>
>>>> Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.
>>>
>>> I don't either.
>>>
>> It must be people with bigger brains than ours.
>
> Or smaller.
 >

No, no they must be bigger. How else could the get the power? :)


> That's the "problem" with people like us - we think too
> much, rather than going with our gut.
>

Well a lot of them certainly have big ones. :)

>>>
>>>
>> Me too. Not that I've ever been to Vancouver.
>
> It's nice up there.  I wish I had a reason to go up there this week, as
> one coworker's last day is tomorrow (her family moved cross-country, and
> she can't work remotely).
>

Same.


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On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:30:03 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/8/2017 6:21 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:11:18 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/8/2017 6:02 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>>> Today we are having a general election.
>>>>
>>>> Go, Corbyn!
>>>>
>>>> ..... is that too political?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We are in purdah so I could not possibly comment. Until after 10 pm
>>> BST.
>>> ;)
>>
>> I saw from The Guardian that the polls are saying the Tories are in the
>> lead. m-/
>>
>>
>>
> To be expected, to be honest.

Sounds like it might be a hung parliament.

Jim

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On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:26:22 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/8/2017 6:11 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> We are in purdah
> 
> Other matters:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40190204

Some good news there. :)



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:40:27 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/8/2017 6:21 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:36:46 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ah! So it is the third coming we are waiting for, now.
>>> At least the English say that he walked upon England’s mountains
>>> green.
>>> ;)
>>
>> Well, there is a religious sect that does say he came to North America.
>>
>>
> It must have been during his world tour. Fter he recuperated in India.

:)

>>> You should be voting for our Jeremy. :)
>>
>> Sadly, I probably would be.  Because if you don't vote for a lizard,
>> the wrong lizard might get in (see US 2016 election).
>>
>>
> He certainly isn't perfect. But he is polite and not a back stabber.

True enough.  Were I in the UK, and if Nick Clegg hadn't happened, the 
LibDems would probably have been my party of choice.  But now it probably 
would be Labour.

>>>>> Cynical, moi?
>>>>
>>>> You'd fit right in here. :)
>>>>
>>>>
> I don't think I did in New Mexico.

Well, that's not *here* now, is it? :)

>>>>
>>> What as a disruptive alien?
>>
>> Sure, why not? :D
>>
>>
> Guns and policemen?

Exist here.

>>>>>> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible
>>>>>> exploding laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to
>>>>>> be checked for most international flights.  Because in the hold is
>>>>>> so much safer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.
>>>>
>>>> I don't either.
>>>>
>>> It must be people with bigger brains than ours.
>>
>> Or smaller.
>  >
>  >
> No, no they must be bigger. How else could the get the power? :)

The power of irrational stupidity? :)

>> That's the "problem" with people like us - we think too much, rather
>> than going with our gut.
>>
>>
> Well a lot of them certainly have big ones. :)

True enough.  Mine's gotten smaller, though, so that's good.

3 months ago, I was diagnosed with new onset diabetes.  Since then, I've 
lost 10 lbs (without really doing anything other than eating less), and 
my test results came back last week as having shown an improvement, both 
for my BP and for my A1C numbers.  I'm technically now in the pre-
diabetes range.

If it keeps improving, I can start coming off the medications I've been 
taking.  We check the numbers again in September.

>>> Me too. Not that I've ever been to Vancouver.
>>
>> It's nice up there.  I wish I had a reason to go up there this week, as
>> one coworker's last day is tomorrow (her family moved cross-country,
>> and she can't work remotely).
>>
>>
> Same.

Which part?

Jim
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On 6/8/2017 10:17 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:30:03 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 6/8/2017 6:21 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:11:18 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/8/2017 6:02 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>>>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>>>> Today we are having a general election.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go, Corbyn!
>>>>>
>>>>> ..... is that too political?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We are in purdah so I could not possibly comment. Until after 10 pm
>>>> BST.
>>>> ;)
>>>
>>> I saw from The Guardian that the polls are saying the Tories are in the
>>> lead. m-/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> To be expected, to be honest.
>
> Sounds like it might be a hung parliament.
>

I hope you put some money on that. :)


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On 6/8/2017 10:22 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:40:27 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>> You should be voting for our Jeremy. :)
>>>
>>> Sadly, I probably would be.  Because if you don't vote for a lizard,
>>> the wrong lizard might get in (see US 2016 election).
>>>
>>>
>> He certainly isn't perfect. But he is polite and not a back stabber.
>
> True enough.  Were I in the UK, and if Nick Clegg hadn't happened, the
> LibDems would probably have been my party of choice.  But now it probably
> would be Labour.
>

Nick Clegg, who is that? :D

You probably don't have the background. They are just Tories in sheep's 
clothing. And the SNP, before Alex Salmond, Tartan Tories.



>> I don't think I did in New Mexico.
>
> Well, that's not *here* now, is it? :)
>

It is from this side of the pond.
Truly we have no idea of the demographics of the States. Because you 
normally put up such a united front for your president. That is what we see.

<aside>
I have the feeling that Mr. Trump believed that the POTUS was God's 
representative on Earth. And everyone would respect his utterances. No 
that he is in that position he is finding it is not so.
Is that reasonable?

</aside>

>>>>>
>>>> What as a disruptive alien?
>>>
>>> Sure, why not? :D
>>>
>>>
>> Guns and policemen?
>
> Exist here.
>

I have noticed. But at least, I have a light complexion.

>>   >
>>   >
>> No, no they must be bigger. How else could the get the power? :)
>
> The power of irrational stupidity? :)
>
>>> That's the "problem" with people like us - we think too much, rather
>>> than going with our gut.
>>>
>>>
>> Well a lot of them certainly have big ones. :)
>
> True enough.  Mine's gotten smaller, though, so that's good.
>
> 3 months ago, I was diagnosed with new onset diabetes.  Since then, I've
> lost 10 lbs (without really doing anything other than eating less), and
> my test results came back last week as having shown an improvement, both
> for my BP and for my A1C numbers.  I'm technically now in the pre-
> diabetes range.
>

That is very good. :)

> If it keeps improving, I can start coming off the medications I've been
> taking.  We check the numbers again in September.
>
>>>> Me too. Not that I've ever been to Vancouver.
>>>
>>> It's nice up there.  I wish I had a reason to go up there this week, as
>>> one coworker's last day is tomorrow (her family moved cross-country,
>>> and she can't work remotely).
>>>
>>>
>> Same.
>
> Which part?
>

I don't know what is wrong with my fingers. I meant to write "shame".
It is a big pity that you can't edit your own posts on the newsgroup.

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On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 07:56:14 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/8/2017 10:22 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:40:27 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>>> You should be voting for our Jeremy. :)
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, I probably would be.  Because if you don't vote for a lizard,
>>>> the wrong lizard might get in (see US 2016 election).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> He certainly isn't perfect. But he is polite and not a back stabber.
>>
>> True enough.  Were I in the UK, and if Nick Clegg hadn't happened, the
>> LibDems would probably have been my party of choice.  But now it
>> probably would be Labour.
>>
>>
> Nick Clegg, who is that? :D

Exactly. :)

> You probably don't have the background. They are just Tories in sheep's
> clothing. And the SNP, before Alex Salmond, Tartan Tories.

Heh, yeah - but remember that your conservatives are more like our center-
left liberals over here.

>>> I don't think I did in New Mexico.
>>
>> Well, that's not *here* now, is it? :)
>>
> It is from this side of the pond.

Well, true, but definitely different.

> Truly we have no idea of the demographics of the States. Because you
> normally put up such a united front for your president. That is what we
> see.

Fair point - just remember that our current President doesn't even 
pretend to represent everyone.

> <aside>
> I have the feeling that Mr. Trump believed that the POTUS was God's
> representative on Earth. And everyone would respect his utterances. No
> that he is in that position he is finding it is not so.
> Is that reasonable?
> 
> </aside>

I don't think so - I don't think he actually believes in "God".  He 
believes in money and profits.

But beyond that, yeah, I think he naively thought that as POTUS, everyone 
would like him, and now he's angry that that hasn't happened.  The job is 
harder than he thought it would be (he's said as much), and that unlike 
in his C-suite position, he can't just say "do this" and it gets done.  
He positions himself as a "dealmaker", but he's really shit at making 
deals - he's a dictator who says "this is what you'll do, or I'll find 
someone else".  That's not "dealmaking".

And it's rich him complaining about NATO countries not paying "their fair 
share", when he himself takes pride in stiffing suppliers and nonpayment 
of bills - "negotiating" a lower payment by saying "I'll pay you far 
less, and you can sue me, but it'll cost you more than its worth" - 
again, not "negotiating".

>>>>> What as a disruptive alien?
>>>>
>>>> Sure, why not? :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Guns and policemen?
>>
>> Exist here.
>>
>>
> I have noticed. But at least, I have a light complexion.

Which helps, so long as you're not a liberal or a member of the press (at 
least according to some on the right who think it's OK to "joke" about 
shooting them/us).

>>> No, no they must be bigger. How else could the get the power? :)
>>
>> The power of irrational stupidity? :)
>>
>>>> That's the "problem" with people like us - we think too much, rather
>>>> than going with our gut.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well a lot of them certainly have big ones. :)
>>
>> True enough.  Mine's gotten smaller, though, so that's good.
>>
>> 3 months ago, I was diagnosed with new onset diabetes.  Since then,
>> I've lost 10 lbs (without really doing anything other than eating
>> less), and my test results came back last week as having shown an
>> improvement, both for my BP and for my A1C numbers.  I'm technically
>> now in the pre- diabetes range.
>>
>>
> That is very good. :)

I'm pleased. :)

>> If it keeps improving, I can start coming off the medications I've been
>> taking.  We check the numbers again in September.
>>
>>>>> Me too. Not that I've ever been to Vancouver.
>>>>
>>>> It's nice up there.  I wish I had a reason to go up there this week,
>>>> as one coworker's last day is tomorrow (her family moved
>>>> cross-country, and she can't work remotely).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Same.
>>
>> Which part?
>>
>>
> I don't know what is wrong with my fingers. I meant to write "shame".
> It is a big pity that you can't edit your own posts on the newsgroup.

LOL, that makes more sense. :)

Jim

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On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 07:37:06 +0100, Stephen wrote:

>>> To be expected, to be honest.
>>
>> Sounds like it might be a hung parliament.
>>
>>
> I hope you put some money on that. :)

I wish. :)



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On 6/9/2017 4:29 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 07:56:14 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>
>> You probably don't have the background. They are just Tories in sheep's
>> clothing. And the SNP, before Alex Salmond, Tartan Tories.
>
> Heh, yeah - but remember that your conservatives are more like our center-
> left liberals over here.
>

I think of it the other way round. ;)

>>>> I don't think I did in New Mexico.
>>>
>>> Well, that's not *here* now, is it? :)
>>>
>> It is from this side of the pond.
>
> Well, true, but definitely different.
>

I can imagine. :)

>> Truly we have no idea of the demographics of the States. Because you
>> normally put up such a united front for your president. That is what we
>> see.
>
> Fair point - just remember that our current President doesn't even
> pretend to represent everyone.
>

He doesn't? ;)

>> <aside>
>> I have the feeling that Mr. Trump believed that the POTUS was God's
>> representative on Earth. And everyone would respect his utterances. No
>> that he is in that position he is finding it is not so.
>> Is that reasonable?
>>
>> </aside>
>
> I don't think so - I don't think he actually believes in "God".  He
> believes in money and profits.
>

Sorry, that was meant to be a metaphor.

> But beyond that, yeah, I think he naively thought that as POTUS, everyone
> would like him, and now he's angry that that hasn't happened.  The job is
> harder than he thought it would be (he's said as much), and that unlike
> in his C-suite position, he can't just say "do this" and it gets done.

That is what I meant.

> He positions himself as a "dealmaker", but he's really shit at making
> deals - he's a dictator who says "this is what you'll do, or I'll find
> someone else".  That's not "dealmaking".
>

There is his age to take into account. His brain paths must be fossilised.

> And it's rich him complaining about NATO countries not paying "their fair
> share", when he himself takes pride in stiffing suppliers and nonpayment
> of bills - "negotiating" a lower payment by saying "I'll pay you far
> less, and you can sue me, but it'll cost you more than its worth" -
> again, not "negotiating".
>

Nice guy to have as the leader of the free (not very) world.


>>>
>>>
>> I have noticed. But at least, I have a light complexion.
>
> Which helps, so long as you're not a liberal or a member of the press (at
> least according to some on the right who think it's OK to "joke" about
> shooting them/us).
>

They're joking? :)


>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Same.
>>>
>>> Which part?
>>>
>>>
>> I don't know what is wrong with my fingers. I meant to write "shame".
>> It is a big pity that you can't edit your own posts on the newsgroup.
>
> LOL, that makes more sense. :)
>

I was all thumbs.


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On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:02:23 +0100, Stephen wrote:

>> Heh, yeah - but remember that your conservatives are more like our
>> center-
>> left liberals over here.
>>
>>
> I think of it the other way round. ;)

Naturally. :)

>>> It is from this side of the pond.
>>
>> Well, true, but definitely different.
>>
>>
> I can imagine. :)

The PNW is a lot more like the UK in a lot of ways than NM. :)  For one 
thing, we get rain.

>> Fair point - just remember that our current President doesn't even
>> pretend to represent everyone.
>>
>>
> He doesn't? ;)

Heh.

>> I don't think so - I don't think he actually believes in "God".  He
>> believes in money and profits.
>>
> Sorry, that was meant to be a metaphor.

Oh, I caught that, too.

>> But beyond that, yeah, I think he naively thought that as POTUS,
>> everyone would like him, and now he's angry that that hasn't happened. 
>> The job is harder than he thought it would be (he's said as much), and
>> that unlike in his C-suite position, he can't just say "do this" and it
>> gets done.
> 
> That is what I meant.

Yup.  Caught it. :)

>> He positions himself as a "dealmaker", but he's really shit at making
>> deals - he's a dictator who says "this is what you'll do, or I'll find
>> someone else".  That's not "dealmaking".
>>
>>
> There is his age to take into account. His brain paths must be
> fossilised.

I don't think he's ever been a "negotiator", as he purports to be.  He 
thinks he knows what negotiation is, but he's just wrong.

>> And it's rich him complaining about NATO countries not paying "their
>> fair share", when he himself takes pride in stiffing suppliers and
>> nonpayment of bills - "negotiating" a lower payment by saying "I'll pay
>> you far less, and you can sue me, but it'll cost you more than its
>> worth" - again, not "negotiating".
>>
>>
> Nice guy to have as the leader of the free (not very) world.

Tell me about it.

>>> I have noticed. But at least, I have a light complexion.
>>
>> Which helps, so long as you're not a liberal or a member of the press
>> (at least according to some on the right who think it's OK to "joke"
>> about shooting them/us).
>>
>>
> They're joking? :)

Well, we certainly hope so.  Don't get me started on people who use the 
term "snowflake" (I hate that f-ing term) and then can't take criticism.

>>> I don't know what is wrong with my fingers. I meant to write "shame".
>>> It is a big pity that you can't edit your own posts on the newsgroup.
>>
>> LOL, that makes more sense. :)
>>
>>
> I was all thumbs.

Well, that would explain it. :D

Jim



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On 6/9/2017 8:48 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Well, we certainly hope so.  Don't get me started on people who use the
> term "snowflake" (I hate that f-ing term) and then can't take criticism.

It seems pointless to me.

OH! I am so hurt I will melt.
Grow up or pick yourself up (off the ground).
GTF :)

Carebears is another one.


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On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 21:46:22 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 6/9/2017 8:48 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Well, we certainly hope so.  Don't get me started on people who use the
>> term "snowflake" (I hate that f-ing term) and then can't take
>> criticism.
> 
> It seems pointless to me.

Yeah, it is pointless.  There's a false story about the origin being a 
term used by Nazis in WWII, but at least in the US, it actually was 
applied to anti-abolitionists during the US civil war.

So it's kinda ironic that the party that often represents "the 
south" (and as such represents "states rights" folks who would've stood 
*for* the continuation of slavery) tend to really like to use it.

But the thing that annoys me the most about it is just how derisive and 
pejorative it is in common usage - and how people on both sides of the 
conversation tend to use it to dismiss an opposing point of view.

You have folks on the right who deride liberals who want "safe spaces" 
and "trigger warnings", and then who turn around and whine and moan about 
how they're being treated "unfairly".  More than happy to tell people who 
they think are crybabies to grow up, but then engage in the same 
behaviours they accuse the other side of using.

And it happens both ways.  It's not productive or useful.

> OH! I am so hurt I will melt.
> Grow up or pick yourself up (off the ground).
> GTF :)
> 
> Carebears is another one.

Indeed.

Jim

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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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