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Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> On 3/11/2017 7:19 PM, Shay wrote:
> > It's certainly not entirely scientific.
> >
> > Can you tell me--using capital-R Reason alone--the difference between
> > "beneficial" and "good" (as in "good vs. evil)?
> >
> >
>
> I think there are some things that could fit into both categories:
>
> 1. maximize well-being
> 2. minimize suffering
> 3. ???
>
> These are things social animals value, either consciously or by
> instinctual behavior. Hard to say whether animals like sharks care about
> stuff like this, though. Some sharks rear live young IIRC. It's pretty
> common for mammals/birds to feel lonely.
>
>
> Mike
You're just mixing a salad out of mathematical terms and your own moral
intuitions.
This isn't a bad thing. There's a lot to be said for moral intuition. From a
materialist[1], evolutionary perspective, ignoring one's moral intuition is
equivalent to walking around with one's eyes closed.
So, you can make a compelling argument based on moral intuition, but you can't
make absolutist claims based on it. In other words, you can't be a snob about
it.
[1] Materialist as in "believing the brain is the sole source of consciousness
(i.e., no soul)."
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Am 11.03.2017 um 20:44 schrieb Shay:
> Anyone who believes in an objective position on cell harvesting is following
> some type of religion.
Cell harvesting is not a matter of science vs. religion. It is a matter
of technological progress vs. morality.
Unfortunately, some people don't know the difference.
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Am 11.03.2017 um 23:21 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> On 3/11/2017 5:19 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> On 3/11/2017 2:44 PM, Shay wrote:
>>> Anyone who believes in an objective position on cell harvesting is
>>> following
>>> some type of religion.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think it's a "religion" to say, "Cell harvesting could produce
>> beneficial results."
>>
>>
>> Mike
>
> Or, even that it is "extremely likely" to produce beneficial results.
>
>
> Mike
There is no religion in any such statements /per se/.
But once you try to define "beneficial", you inevitably leave the realm
of science and enter the realm of ideology.
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:33:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> * I said tremble not laugh. ;)
I tremble with laughter. ;)
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/16/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:33:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> * I said tremble not laugh. ;)
>
> I tremble with laughter. ;)
>
>
>
I'm glad that I've given you something to laugh about. ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 3/16/2017 7:36 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:33:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> * I said tremble not laugh. ;)
>>
>> I tremble with laughter. ;)
>>
>>
>>
> I'm glad that I've given you something to laugh about. ;)
>
>
BTW How long do you think the big fart will last in office?
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:36:37 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:33:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> * I said tremble not laugh. ;)
>>
>> I tremble with laughter. ;)
>>
>>
>>
> I'm glad that I've given you something to laugh about. ;)
Always. :D
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/16/2017 7:57 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:36:37 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 3/16/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:33:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> * I said tremble not laugh. ;)
>>>
>>> I tremble with laughter. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I'm glad that I've given you something to laugh about. ;)
>
> Always. :D
>
>
>
I'll think about that. ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:43:20 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 7:57 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:36:37 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/16/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:33:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> * I said tremble not laugh. ;)
>>>>
>>>> I tremble with laughter. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm glad that I've given you something to laugh about. ;)
>>
>> Always. :D
>>
>>
>>
> I'll think about that. ;)
LOL (see?)
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:49:55 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 7:36 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 3/16/2017 5:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:33:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> * I said tremble not laugh. ;)
>>>
>>> I tremble with laughter. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I'm glad that I've given you something to laugh about. ;)
>>
>>
> BTW How long do you think the big fart will last in office?
I'd be surprised if it were more than 6 months, but I'll give it 1-2
years.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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