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"Every nation has the government it deserves."
I wished the American people deserved better.
Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
deserves much good.
Or maybe the universe is rigged.
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On 11/9/2016 12:53 AM, clipka wrote:
> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>
> I wished the American people deserved better.
>
> Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
> deserves much good.
>
> Or maybe the universe is rigged.
>
indeed ... think i'll go curl up into a ball and pull the covers over my
head
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Am 09.11.2016 um 13:45 schrieb Jim Holsenback:
> On 11/9/2016 12:53 AM, clipka wrote:
>> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>>
>> I wished the American people deserved better.
>>
>> Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
>> deserves much good.
>>
>> Or maybe the universe is rigged.
>>
>
> indeed ... think i'll go curl up into a ball and pull the covers over my
> head
I must confess that I was positively surprised by The Pumpkin's victory
speech. Maybe he'll be capable of presidential behaviour after all.
Well, we'll see what the next four years will bring.
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymous org> wrote:
> I must confess that I was positively surprised by The Pumpkin's victory
> speech. Maybe he'll be capable of presidential behaviour after all.
Well then, maybe I'll give it a listen (as grating as the sound of his voice is
to me).
> Well, we'll see what the next four years will bring.
That's all we can do.
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>
> I wished the American people deserved better.
>
> Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
> deserves much good.
>
> Or maybe the universe is rigged.
I took an on-line quiz that suggested where one should move if Trump is elected.
It determined that I should move to Germany.
By coincidence, Germany is the country I have visited for a longer period of
time than any other. I spent 6 weeks in Heidelberg in 1974.
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On 09/11/2016 05:53 AM, clipka wrote:
> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>
> I wished the American people deserved better.
Well... OTOH, Bash didn't destroy the world, and he was high-calibre
moron. Maybe it won't be that bad...
[This is called "optimism". If *I* am the one espousing optimism, then
maybe hell has finally frozen over!]
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On 11/09/2016 07:28 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
> Well... OTOH, Bash didn't destroy the world, and he was high-calibre
> moron. Maybe it won't be that bad...
If Bash doesn't work, you can try Ksh ;)
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On 11/9/2016 1:28 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 09/11/2016 05:53 AM, clipka wrote:
>> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>>
>> I wished the American people deserved better.
>
> Well... OTOH, Bash didn't destroy the world, and he was high-calibre
> moron. Maybe it won't be that bad...
>
> [This is called "optimism". If *I* am the one espousing optimism, then
> maybe hell has finally frozen over!]
Trump will nuke the first foreign leader who mentions the size of his hands.
Mike
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On 11/9/2016 4:28 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 11/9/2016 1:28 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> On 09/11/2016 05:53 AM, clipka wrote:
>>> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>>>
>>> I wished the American people deserved better.
>>
>> Well... OTOH, Bash didn't destroy the world, and he was high-calibre
>> moron. Maybe it won't be that bad...
>>
>> [This is called "optimism". If *I* am the one espousing optimism, then
>> maybe hell has finally frozen over!]
>
> Trump will nuke the first foreign leader who mentions the size of his
> hands.
>
> Mike
I mean, if the size of a President's hands aren't worth fighting for,
what on God's Earth is?
Mike
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On 09/11/2016 07:57 PM, tth wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 07:28 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Well... OTOH, Bash didn't destroy the world, and he was high-calibre
>> moron. Maybe it won't be that bad...
>
> If Bash doesn't work, you can try Ksh ;)
Oh God... my heart bleeds! >_<
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On 09/11/2016 09:55 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Oh God... my heart bleeds! >_<
...makes a joke about CVE-2014-0160, when in fact I meant CVE-2014-6271.
Jesus, am I going to get *anything* right today?!
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On 11/9/2016 9:28 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 11/9/2016 4:28 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> On 11/9/2016 1:28 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2016 05:53 AM, clipka wrote:
>>>> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>>>>
>>>> I wished the American people deserved better.
>>>
>>> Well... OTOH, Bash didn't destroy the world, and he was high-calibre
>>> moron. Maybe it won't be that bad...
>>>
>>> [This is called "optimism". If *I* am the one espousing optimism, then
>>> maybe hell has finally frozen over!]
>>
>> Trump will nuke the first foreign leader who mentions the size of his
>> hands.
>>
>> Mike
>
> I mean, if the size of a President's hands aren't worth fighting for,
> what on God's Earth is?
>
The right to rip people off?
No offence meant. ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 11/9/2016 4:28 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> >
> > Trump will nuke the first foreign leader who mentions the size of his
> > hands.
>
> I mean, if the size of a President's hands aren't worth fighting for,
> what on God's Earth is?
The size of his... whatever?
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On 11/9/2016 10:38 PM, Stephen wrote:
> The right to rip people off?
>
> No offence meant. ;)
Replying to myself and thinking out loud.
You have got to admire the man. He is up to his neck in law suits and
what does he do?
He becomes the President of the Good Old USA.
Now that is chutzpah.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Am 09.11.2016 um 17:25 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>>
>> I wished the American people deserved better.
>>
>> Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
>> deserves much good.
>>
>> Or maybe the universe is rigged.
>
> I took an on-line quiz that suggested where one should move if Trump is elected.
> It determined that I should move to Germany.
>
> By coincidence, Germany is the country I have visited for a longer period of
> time than any other. I spent 6 weeks in Heidelberg in 1974.
I can recommend Cologne ;)
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Am 09.11.2016 um 23:50 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
> Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 11/9/2016 4:28 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>>
>>> Trump will nuke the first foreign leader who mentions the size of his
>>> hands.
>>
>> I mean, if the size of a President's hands aren't worth fighting for,
>> what on God's Earth is?
>
> The size of his... whatever?
There's that guy in Turkey who sued a German comedian over a poem about
his whatever.
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 06:53:36 +0100, clipka wrote:
> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>
> I wished the American people deserved better.
>
> Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
> deserves much good.
>
> Or maybe the universe is rigged.
Funniest thing I've seen today:
UK: "Hey, we can do something really stupid! Look at us!"
US: "Here, hold my beer....."
m-/
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> > "Every nation has the government it deserves."
> >
> > I wished the American people deserved better.
> >
> > Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
> > deserves much good.
> >
> > Or maybe the universe is rigged.
>
> I took an on-line quiz that suggested where one should move if Trump is elected.
> It determined that I should move to Germany.
>
> By coincidence, Germany is the country I have visited for a longer period of
> time than any other. I spent 6 weeks in Heidelberg in 1974.
I would suggest the last left wing government in Europe: more sunny than Germany
but powerless against the international banks: Greece. I just spent a fortnight
at crete. No clouds but a lot of poverty as in the u.s. Neoliberalism is working
there as in the u.s. but for the moment the Greece took other conclusions.
Best regards,
Michael
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:24:11 +0100, clipka wrote:
> Am 09.11.2016 um 23:50 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
>> Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2016 4:28 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump will nuke the first foreign leader who mentions the size of his
>>>> hands.
>>>
>>> I mean, if the size of a President's hands aren't worth fighting for,
>>> what on God's Earth is?
>>
>> The size of his... whatever?
>
> There's that guy in Turkey who sued a German comedian over a poem about
> his whatever.
Heh, Trump is about to learn that when he IS the government, he doesn't
get to tell people they can't say stuff. Little thing called the 1st
amendment prevents that.
I suspect that if he tries to go after the first amendment, his party
(which still doesn't like him very much - they have to look like they do,
but they really don't) will turn on him.
2 years, and we can start clawing control back in the midterms.
Hopefully this disaster will get people to stop making the deal "if I
can't have everything I want, then I'll compromise and settle for getting
nothing instead".
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> If *I* am the one espousing optimism, then
> maybe hell has finally frozen over!
The Cubs won the World Series. I said to myself, OMG, this is the first
sign of the Apocalypse.
This is literally true. I am neither superstitious nor particularly a
sports fan, but this was, in fact, the first moment I began to feel fear
for my country. How idiotic is that?
It never occurred to me that anyone could bring out the White Trash vote
to that extent. (Indeed, many of them, being convicted felons, aren't
allowed to vote.)
It never occurred to me that anyone who had expressed such hatred of
Hispanics could ever carry Florida.
It never occurred to me that anyone who had expressed such contempt of
working people could ever get their vote.
IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
people in the world were irremediably stupid. And yet, and yet, it
never occurred to me that they were remotely capable of taking over.
One may hope for miracles. A sinkhole could open under Trump Tower and
consume whatever vermin might be infesting it. A giant meteor could
strike the podium on Inauguration Day and rid the world of a number of
cancers. Or, or maybe, maybe, a Rift in the Space-Time Continuum could
open up in my front yard and Lazarus Long and his Magic Starship could
appear and carry me away to a place where people are intelligent and
kind, and dogs are revered as brethren and the makers of our species,
and stupid shit like this Does Not Happen.
Bah. Humbug. Time to stock up on canned food and ammo.
Sherry "Don't Blame Me; I Voted For Hillary" Shaw
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On 11/10/2016 5:34 AM, Sherry K. Shaw wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> If *I* am the one espousing optimism, then
>> maybe hell has finally frozen over!
>
> The Cubs won the World Series. I said to myself, OMG, this is the first
> sign of the Apocalypse.
>
> This is literally true. I am neither superstitious nor particularly a
> sports fan, but this was, in fact, the first moment I began to feel fear
> for my country. How idiotic is that?
>
> It never occurred to me that anyone could bring out the White Trash vote
> to that extent. (Indeed, many of them, being convicted felons, aren't
> allowed to vote.)
>
> It never occurred to me that anyone who had expressed such hatred of
> Hispanics could ever carry Florida.
>
> It never occurred to me that anyone who had expressed such contempt of
> working people could ever get their vote.
>
Oh dear! You have said it out loud, Ms Sherry "Too smart for her own
good" Shaw. :)
Now it will come to pass.
The first sign of the apocalypse heralds the coming of what is agreed by
most Christian scholars as an Antichrist whose purpose is to lead the
world astray. Those tricked to follow the false prophecy are trapped in
a cycle of suffering. The second sign is represented by the onset of war
and violence...
The above is a quote btw. Not from "To serve Man". The famous
intergalactic cook book by Damon Knight.
> IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
> people in the world were irremediably stupid. And yet, and yet, it
> never occurred to me that they were remotely capable of taking over.
>
You don't know much about British history, then. ;)
> One may hope for miracles. A sinkhole could open under Trump Tower and
> consume whatever vermin might be infesting it. A giant meteor could
> strike the podium on Inauguration Day and rid the world of a number of
> cancers. Or, or maybe, maybe, a Rift in the Space-Time Continuum could
> open up in my front yard and Lazarus Long and his Magic Starship could
> appear and carry me away to a place where people are intelligent and
> kind, and dogs are revered as brethren and the makers of our species,
> and stupid shit like this Does Not Happen.
>
You will need to travel a long way to find that place. I fear.
> Bah. Humbug. Time to stock up on canned food and ammo.
>
Luckily, the new administration will help you to buy as many guns as you
can pay for. And then some.
> Sherry "Don't Blame Me; I Voted For Hillary" Shaw
>
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Stephen
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On 11/9/2016 6:36 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:24:11 +0100, clipka wrote:
>
>> Am 09.11.2016 um 23:50 schrieb Cousin Ricky:
>>> Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/2016 4:28 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump will nuke the first foreign leader who mentions the size of his
>>>>> hands.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, if the size of a President's hands aren't worth fighting for,
>>>> what on God's Earth is?
>>>
>>> The size of his... whatever?
>>
>> There's that guy in Turkey who sued a German comedian over a poem about
>> his whatever.
>
> Heh, Trump is about to learn that when he IS the government, he doesn't
> get to tell people they can't say stuff. Little thing called the 1st
> amendment prevents that.
>
> I suspect that if he tries to go after the first amendment, his party
> (which still doesn't like him very much - they have to look like they do,
> but they really don't) will turn on him.
>
> 2 years, and we can start clawing control back in the midterms.
> Hopefully this disaster will get people to stop making the deal "if I
> can't have everything I want, then I'll compromise and settle for getting
> nothing instead".
>
> Jim
>
I think he will get most of what he and his supporters want,
unfortunately. He has the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and soon
SCOTUS behind him mostly.
Mike
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"Sherry K. Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
> people in the world were irremediably stupid.
If anything can eliminate the cringeworthy idea of "American exceptionalism," it
is observing in our elections that Americans are as easily manipulated as the
other 95% of humanity. Unfortunately, the very people who believe in American
exceptionalism are the ones who cannot see that they have been manipulated.
Two chaps named Dunning and Kruger might have more to say about this.
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On 11/10/2016 8:29 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> "Sherry K. Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
>> people in the world were irremediably stupid.
>
> If anything can eliminate the cringeworthy idea of "American exceptionalism," it
> is observing in our elections that Americans are as easily manipulated as the
> other 95% of humanity. Unfortunately, the very people who believe in American
> exceptionalism are the ones who cannot see that they have been manipulated.
> Two chaps named Dunning and Kruger might have more to say about this.
>
>
I think every nation has its factions that believe in their
"exceptionalism".
Mike
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On 11/10/2016 11:00 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 8:29 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> "Sherry K. Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
>>> people in the world were irremediably stupid.
>>
>> If anything can eliminate the cringeworthy idea of "American
>> exceptionalism," it
>> is observing in our elections that Americans are as easily manipulated
>> as the
>> other 95% of humanity. Unfortunately, the very people who believe in
>> American
>> exceptionalism are the ones who cannot see that they have been
>> manipulated.
>> Two chaps named Dunning and Kruger might have more to say about this.
>>
>>
>
> I think every nation has its factions that believe in their
> "exceptionalism".
>
> Mike
Their _own_ exceptionalism, rather.
Mike
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On 11/10/2016 4:00 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 8:29 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> "Sherry K. Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
>>> people in the world were irremediably stupid.
>>
>> If anything can eliminate the cringeworthy idea of "American
>> exceptionalism," it
>> is observing in our elections that Americans are as easily manipulated
>> as the
>> other 95% of humanity. Unfortunately, the very people who believe in
>> American
>> exceptionalism are the ones who cannot see that they have been
>> manipulated.
>> Two chaps named Dunning and Kruger might have more to say about this.
>>
>>
>
> I think every nation has its factions that believe in their
> "exceptionalism".
>
I can think of at least half a dozen in the UK alone.
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Stephen
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:10:55 -0500, Mike Horvath wrote:
> I think he will get most of what he and his supporters want,
> unfortunately. He has the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and soon
> SCOTUS behind him mostly.
I think it's more complicated than that - he made a lot of enemies in the
GOP during the campaign, and there are things in his first 100 day play
that the congressional leadership has basically said "over my dead body"
about - like congressional term limits.
He also is still bound to act within the law.
But I do predict that progress will be set back over the next 4 years.
Hopefully we'll end up with candidates in the opposition who can unite to
prevent a second term.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Am 10.11.2016 um 17:00 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> On 11/10/2016 8:29 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> "Sherry K. Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
>>> people in the world were irremediably stupid.
>>
>> If anything can eliminate the cringeworthy idea of "American
>> exceptionalism," it
>> is observing in our elections that Americans are as easily manipulated
>> as the
>> other 95% of humanity. Unfortunately, the very people who believe in
>> American
>> exceptionalism are the ones who cannot see that they have been
>> manipulated.
>> Two chaps named Dunning and Kruger might have more to say about this.
>>
>>
>
> I think every nation has its factions that believe in their
> "exceptionalism".
Couldn't possibly ever have happened over here in Germany...
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On 10-11-2016 17:57, clipka wrote:
> Am 10.11.2016 um 17:00 schrieb Mike Horvath:
>> On 11/10/2016 8:29 AM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>> "Sherry K. Shaw" <ten### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>>> IIRC, I was five or six years old when I began to suspect that most
>>>> people in the world were irremediably stupid.
>>>
>>> If anything can eliminate the cringeworthy idea of "American
>>> exceptionalism," it
>>> is observing in our elections that Americans are as easily manipulated
>>> as the
>>> other 95% of humanity. Unfortunately, the very people who believe in
>>> American
>>> exceptionalism are the ones who cannot see that they have been
>>> manipulated.
>>> Two chaps named Dunning and Kruger might have more to say about this.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think every nation has its factions that believe in their
>> "exceptionalism".
>
> Couldn't possibly ever have happened over here in Germany...
>
I must agree with that...
--
Thomas
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 10.11.2016 um 17:00 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> > I think every nation has its factions that believe in their
> > "exceptionalism".
>
> Couldn't possibly ever have happened over here in Germany...
Ouch! I can feel that one.
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tth <tth### [at] noneinvalid> wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 07:28 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
> >
> > Well... OTOH, Bash didn't destroy the world, and he was high-calibre
> > moron. Maybe it won't be that bad...
>
> If Bash doesn't work, you can try Ksh ;)
Bash got trumped and blushed LOL
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On 11/9/2016 12:53 AM, clipka wrote:
> "Every nation has the government it deserves."
>
> I wished the American people deserved better.
>
> Then again, it seems like we're heading for times when no nation
> deserves much good.
>
> Or maybe the universe is rigged.
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Sadly, I think this is part of a larger world-wide movement, and we'll
be seeing similar things in Europe over the next years.
Mike
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