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OK so John mentioned having a sense humor as being helpful during his
recent battle ... what about sarcasm? I'm not talking about mean
spiteful comments but something a bit more benign. In a recent
conversation with a friend she was lamenting about her current life
situation and how things seemed like they would never change. Repeating
the same mistakes is the reoccurring theme here ... My response was "So
hows that been working out for you ... I mean how many times do you need
to pick up a hot brick before you realize that it's hot!" It seems like
healthy self assured people usually accept it better than those with a
fragile personality. BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
(and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
bitter person.
Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
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On 1-6-2016 13:11, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> snip]
> BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
> (and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
> bitter person.
I disagree with the consensus. Sarcasm, irony, are tools to tackle the
world in a combative way. In my view it should not be destructive but
constructive in the end. It can be a mirror of reality that helps to
cope with it.
>
> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
Where I worked, sarcasm and irony were widely used as a group process.
It helped to decrease tensions and, from there, to view things in a
better perspective and come with better solutions. But initially, it
always was a means to reduce tension, aggressiveness, helplessness,
especially in periods of institute changes or hierarchic fencing.
--
Thomas
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On 6/1/2016 7:29 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 1-6-2016 13:11, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> snip]
>> BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
>> (and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
>> bitter person.
>
> I disagree with the consensus. Sarcasm, irony, are tools to tackle the
> world in a combative way. In my view it should not be destructive but
> constructive in the end. It can be a mirror of reality that helps to
> cope with it.
>
>>
>> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
>
> Where I worked, sarcasm and irony were widely used as a group process.
> It helped to decrease tensions and, from there, to view things in a
> better perspective and come with better solutions. But initially, it
> always was a means to reduce tension, aggressiveness, helplessness,
> especially in periods of institute changes or hierarchic fencing.
>
thanks for that bit of validation ... couldn't have said it better
myself. it would seem that sarcasm /can/ be used as a form of humor
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Am 01.06.2016 um 13:11 schrieb Jim Holsenback:
> OK so John mentioned having a sense humor as being helpful during his
> recent battle ... what about sarcasm? I'm not talking about mean
> spiteful comments but something a bit more benign. In a recent
> conversation with a friend she was lamenting about her current life
> situation and how things seemed like they would never change. Repeating
> the same mistakes is the reoccurring theme here ... My response was "So
> hows that been working out for you ... I mean how many times do you need
> to pick up a hot brick before you realize that it's hot!" It seems like
> healthy self assured people usually accept it better than those with a
> fragile personality.
When dealing with people with a healthy self-esteem, addressing their
weaknesses with any kind of humor is fair game.
When dealing with people with damaged self-esteem, I'd strongly advocate
avoiding that, as they'll inevitably interpret it as being made fun of,
thus damaging their self-esteem even more.
That said, I wouldn't necessarily consider your response to be sarcasm
in the strict sense, though I'm at a loss for a better term.
"Witticism", maybe?
> BTW: If you believe what you read on the internet
> (and I don't) the general consensus is that sarcasm is the tool of a
> bitter person.
I'd say sarcasm can be an expression of cynicism, but isn't necessarily.
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"snarky"
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On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>
> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
It is often said in Britain that Americans don't do irony.
Sarcasm is meant to be hurtful whilst irony is saying the opposite of
what you really mean for effect or humour. Which mixed in with the
"graveyard humour" that some professions and people have can be quite
shocking to people not used to it.
As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
your case.
I would not take offence.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Am 2016-06-01 07:11, also sprach Jim Holsenback:
>
> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sarcasm+as+a+sign+of+intelligence
--
dik
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On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
> sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
> your case.
hmmm sarky ... never heard that term before.
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On 6/1/2016 10:15 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> "snarky"
>
that's the one that my friend used ... /had/ to beg to differ as i
wasn't trying to be critical
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On 6/1/2016 8:40 AM, clipka wrote:
> I'd say sarcasm can be an expression of cynicism, but isn't necessarily.
had to think about that for a moment ... given the other responses i'm
guessing delivery and audience are import factors to consider as well
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On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
> "graveyard humour" that some professions and people have can be quite
> shocking to people not used to it.
your mention of waiting to see if you had to buy the bottle and John's
comeback at scot's being frugal is what prompted my query ... i've also
been told that my sense of humor tends to be on the dark-ish side
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On 6/2/2016 1:03 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
>> sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
>> your case.
>
> hmmm sarky ... never heard that term before.
>
It is, I think, a variation of snarky
>>
>> that's the one that my friend used ... /had/ to beg to differ as i
>> wasn't trying to be critical
I beg to differ. To my ears/eyes you were being critical. But there is
nothing wrong with criticism. It doesn't always mean negativity. You
were being positive trying to help. Most people I know would have
laughed and said. Yes my hand does hurt I must try not to pick up any
more hot bricks.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 6/2/2016 1:25 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> "graveyard humour" that some professions and people have can be quite
>> shocking to people not used to it.
>
> your mention of waiting to see if you had to buy the bottle and John's
> comeback at scot's being frugal is what prompted my query ... i've also
> been told that my sense of humor tends to be on the dark-ish side
>
You're ex-forces (military). You cannot be a shrinking violet and live
in that environment. Unfortunately most people in civvy street don't
understand.
Working offshore it was not out of place to ask someone who was being
medevaced if you could have their locker or what size boots they wore.
A good friend of mine was shocked after telling me that she had a couple
of dodgy flights. When I said. "Remind me not to fly with you."
That was before she knew me properly.
It was also another country where saying that I was so hungry I could
eat a horse. Silenced the company.
What! What did I say wrong? :)
--
Regards
Stephen
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Am 02.06.2016 um 14:29 schrieb Stephen:
> On 6/2/2016 1:03 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
>>> sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
>>> your case.
>>
>> hmmm sarky ... never heard that term before.
>>
>
> It is, I think, a variation of snarky
... or a variation of sarcastic? Or a chimera of the two?
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On 6/2/2016 3:12 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 02.06.2016 um 14:29 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 6/2/2016 1:03 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>>> As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
>>>> sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
>>>> your case.
>>>
>>> hmmm sarky ... never heard that term before.
>>>
>>
>> It is, I think, a variation of snarky
>
> .... or a variation of sarcastic? Or a chimera of the two?
>
Possibly a regional variation, snarky is new to me. But both seem to
mean sarcastic.
--
Regards
Stephen
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I think I heard sarky used first, though Merriam-Webster online doesn't list it.
Snarky seems to be in more general use where I live, and it's in M-W.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snarky
If you're offended, go find your safe space. :P
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On 6/2/2016 5:25 PM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> I think I heard sarky used first, though Merriam-Webster online doesn't list it.
>
> Snarky seems to be in more general use where I live, and it's in M-W.
Oh! for some reason I thought you were in the UK.
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snarky
>
The first definition sits well with me. Probably from The Hunting of the
Snark.
And one of the online dictonaries says it is a portmanteau combination
of "snide" and "remark".
> If you're offended, go find your safe space. :P
>
Better still punch their lights out. (Assuming that is a response to the
word otherwise that went Woosh, over my head.)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 6/2/2016 8:41 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 6/2/2016 1:25 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>> "graveyard humour" that some professions and people have can be quite
>>> shocking to people not used to it.
>>
>> your mention of waiting to see if you had to buy the bottle and John's
>> comeback at scot's being frugal is what prompted my query ... i've also
>> been told that my sense of humor tends to be on the dark-ish side
>>
>
> You're ex-forces (military). You cannot be a shrinking violet and live
> in that environment. Unfortunately most people in civvy street don't
> understand.
> Working offshore it was not out of place to ask someone who was being
> medevaced if you could have their locker or what size boots they wore.
indeed
>
> A good friend of mine was shocked after telling me that she had a couple
> of dodgy flights. When I said. "Remind me not to fly with you."
LOL ... reminds me of when someone says "See you later" ... I
/sometimes/ respond "Thanks for the warning"
> That was before she knew me properly.
> It was also another country where saying that I was so hungry I could
> eat a horse. Silenced the company.
>
> What! What did I say wrong? :)
>
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On 6/2/2016 10:12 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 02.06.2016 um 14:29 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 6/2/2016 1:03 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> On 6/2/2016 3:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 6/1/2016 12:11 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>>> As for your comments I think you were being sarky to her. My usage of
>>>> sarky is that it is a mild form of sarcasm. To illustrate a point in
>>>> your case.
>>>
>>> hmmm sarky ... never heard that term before.
>>>
>>
>> It is, I think, a variation of snarky
>
> ... or a variation of sarcastic? Or a chimera of the two?
LOL ... I concede
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On 6/2/2016 9:58 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> A good friend of mine was shocked after telling me that she had a couple
>> of dodgy flights. When I said. "Remind me not to fly with you."
>
> LOL ... reminds me of when someone says "See you later" ... I
> /sometimes/ respond "Thanks for the warning"
Milder than "Not if I see you first." ;)
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aol com> wrote:
> > Snarky seems to be in more general use where I live, and it's in M-W.
>
> Oh! for some reason I thought you were in the UK.
Nope. Though with the power-mad psychopaths that the mindless hordes are
nominating for Imperial Dictator, somewhere other than the Unlimited State of
Annihilation is becoming ever more attractive.
ENGLISH. :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atI-JPGcF-k
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On 03/06/16 00:16, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>>> Snarky seems to be in more general use where I live, and it's in M-W.
>>
>> Oh! for some reason I thought you were in the UK.
>
> Nope. Though with the power-mad psychopaths that the mindless hordes are
> nominating for Imperial Dictator, somewhere other than the Unlimited State of
> Annihilation is becoming ever more attractive.
>
> ENGLISH. :
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atI-JPGcF-k
>
...and you would be very welcome here.
John
--
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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On 02/06/16 10:03, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2016-06-01 07:11, also sprach Jim Holsenback:
>
>>
>> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
>
> Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=sarcasm+as+a+sign+of+intelligence
Thank $DEITY for that. I was worried that I might be normal ;-)
John
--
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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On 6/3/2016 12:41 AM, Doctor John wrote:
> On 02/06/16 10:03, dick balaska wrote:
>> Am 2016-06-01 07:11, also sprach Jim Holsenback:
>>
>>>
>>> Any opinions about well placed sarcasm?
>>
>> Sarcasm is a sign of intelligence.
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=sarcasm+as+a+sign+of+intelligence
>
> Thank $DEITY for that. I was worried that I might be normal ;-)
>
Take my word on it John. You are far from being normal. (In the nicest
possible way, of course.)
[whistling, Entry Of The Gladiators]
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 6/3/2016 12:16 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>>> Snarky seems to be in more general use where I live, and it's in M-W.
>>
>> Oh! for some reason I thought you were in the UK.
>
> Nope. Though with the power-mad psychopaths that the mindless hordes are
> nominating for Imperial Dictator, somewhere other than the Unlimited State of
> Annihilation is becoming ever more attractive.
>
Mexico?
Just like the PGA. I fell of my stool when I read that. :-D
> ENGLISH. :
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atI-JPGcF-k
>
As is well known. The Brits will steal everything from everyone.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 2-6-2016 23:25, Stephen wrote:
> On 6/2/2016 9:58 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> A good friend of mine was shocked after telling me that she had a couple
>>> of dodgy flights. When I said. "Remind me not to fly with you."
>>
>> LOL ... reminds me of when someone says "See you later" ... I
>> /sometimes/ respond "Thanks for the warning"
>
> Milder than "Not if I see you first." ;)
>
Gentlemen, I totally recognise that language use. Where I worked at the
Geological Survey, that was the exact idiom we used on a daily basis. Up
and down the hierarchy, needless to say :-)
--
Thomas
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