Pro Tip:

Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
first line of defense against beverage spills.

(A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)

Confirmed by experiment.

Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.

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On 1/29/2016 6:36 PM, clipka wrote:
> Pro Tip:
>
> Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
> first line of defense against beverage spills.
>
> (A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)
>
> Confirmed by experiment.
>
> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>

I coughed and spit some water on my monitor once. There's still a dark 
splotch near the bottom where the pixels are dead.


Mike

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Le 2016-01-29 18:36, clipka a écrit :
> Pro Tip:
>
> Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
> first line of defense against beverage spills.
>
> (A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)
>
> Confirmed by experiment.
>
> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>

I heard that - although never tried - most keyboards can go in the 
dishwasher (without soap), upside down on the top rack.  You just have 
to make sure they dry completely before reconnecting them.

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Am 30.01.2016 um 02:14 schrieb Francois Labreque:
> Le 2016-01-29 18:36, clipka a écrit :
>> Pro Tip:
>>
>> Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
>> first line of defense against beverage spills.
>>
>> (A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)
>>
>> Confirmed by experiment.
>>
>> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>>
> 
> I heard that - although never tried - most keyboards can go in the
> dishwasher (without soap), upside down on the top rack.  You just have
> to make sure they dry completely before reconnecting them.

 FEAR THE KEYBOARD SFFERED A LTTLE BT:::

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Francois Labreque wrote:

> Le 2016-01-29 18:36, clipka a écrit :
>> Pro Tip:
>>
>> Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
>> first line of defense against beverage spills.
>>
>> (A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)
>>
>> Confirmed by experiment.
>>
>> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>>
> 
> I heard that - although never tried - most keyboards can go in the
> dishwasher (without soap), upside down on the top rack.  You just have
> to make sure they dry completely before reconnecting them.
> 

Never put a keyboard in a dishwasher, it gets too hot and will most likely 
deform the keyboard. 
What I use is hand warm water in a tub, gentle dish soap and a soft brush. It 
will get the keyboard clean and shiny again. You just have to rinse it 
thoroughly to get the soap out. After that just let it dry. For that I put it 
on a fan.
-- 

Ger

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It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and use a new
one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting use...

Of course, if you're environmentally-minded, you can recycle 'em as art. I glue
the old ones together, to make a big impressive-looking ball. It's now 17 meters
in diameter. People are always complimenting me on my ingenuity and aesthetic
taste.

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Am 30.01.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Kenneth:
> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and use a new
> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting use...

Not really an option in this case -- we're talking about a Logitech G19
here. They're not even making them anymore.

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On 1/30/2016 12:10 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 30.01.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Kenneth:
>> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and use a new
>> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting use...
>
> Not really an option in this case -- we're talking about a Logitech G19
> here. They're not even making them anymore.
>

FYI
http://www.amazon.de/Logitech-Gaming-Tastatur-schnurgebunden-deutsches-Tastaturlayout/dp/B001S2W5U2

or
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-920-000978-G19-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B001RORKH4


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     Stephen

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On 1/30/2016 8:05 AM, Ger wrote:
> Francois Labreque wrote:
>
>> Le 2016-01-29 18:36, clipka a écrit :
>>> Pro Tip:
>>>
>>> Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
>>> first line of defense against beverage spills.
>>>
>>> (A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)
>>>
>>> Confirmed by experiment.
>>>
>>> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>>>
>>
>> I heard that - although never tried - most keyboards can go in the
>> dishwasher (without soap), upside down on the top rack.  You just have
>> to make sure they dry completely before reconnecting them.
>>
>
> Never put a keyboard in a dishwasher, it gets too hot and will most likely
> deform the keyboard.

But you will have lots of hot keys. ;-)

> What I use is hand warm water in a tub, gentle dish soap and a soft brush. It
> will get the keyboard clean and shiny again. You just have to rinse it
> thoroughly to get the soap out. After that just let it dry. For that I put it
> on a fan.
>
The fan is more than a good idea.
When I used to work for a living. It was essential to blow the water 
off. Otherwise you get mineral deposits and that can cause tracking or 
changes in capacitance.
Now here is something you might find hard to believe because I did. 
Coffee with milk is good for cleaning the outside of equipment such as 
the beige system boxes of old.

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     Stephen

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On 1/30/2016 3:57 AM, Kenneth wrote:
> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and use a new
> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting use...
>
> Of course, if you're environmentally-minded, you can recycle 'em as art. I glue
> the old ones together, to make a big impressive-looking ball. It's now 17 meters
> in diameter. People are always complimenting me on my ingenuity and aesthetic
> taste.
>
>

I purposefully got my keyboards second hand. I like them because they 
are nice and solid. Not the cheap flimsy things you get when you buy a 
PC at the local box store.


Mike

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Am 30.01.2016 um 14:42 schrieb Stephen:
> On 1/30/2016 12:10 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 30.01.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Kenneth:
>>> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day,
>>> and use a new
>>> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting
>>> use...
>>
>> Not really an option in this case -- we're talking about a Logitech G19
>> here. They're not even making them anymore.
>>
> 
> FYI
>
http://www.amazon.de/Logitech-Gaming-Tastatur-schnurgebunden-deutsches-Tastaturlayout/dp/B001S2W5U2

I had found that one already. Did you have a look at the price for a new
one? EUR 421,68, that's about 320 GBP at the current exchange rate.

> or
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-920-000978-G19-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B001RORKH4

Not an option, as it sure as hell isn't a German one.


But I'm mildly optimistic about the specimen I gave a few sips of coke
to drink. I've gone for the disassemble-cleanse-reassemble approach now.

First of all, a bit to my surprise, the G19 doesn't use fancy individual
switches that the phosphoric acid- and sugar-rich liquid might have
seeped into to avoid detection. Instead, it uses a multi-layered
sandwich structure, at the core of which is a membrane keyboard -- a
transparent one, presumably to facilitate illumination of the key caps,
so that I can say with absolute certainty: No coke has made its way to
the actual key contacts.

Above that sits a shaped mat of thin rubber effect the desired key
travel and pressure point, and atop of that the top cover assembly with
the keycaps mounted safely in a rack, which greatly simplifies
maintenance of this portion of the keyboard. All these components got
their fair share of beverage, and some keys had already become sticky
not only to the touch but also in terms of movement, but they've all
gotten a thorough rinse with soap and warm water and should be perfectly
fine now. (The keycap assembly has also received a thorough shower on
this occasion.)

Below the membrane keyboard is a piece of transparent plastic, obviously
serving as a light guide, and below that a highly reflective white sheet
of whatever; Some coke had managed to creep between these two, but they
also received a good rinse, as did the bottom cover.

The display that sits at the back of the keyboard should also be fine,
as it hasn't received any coke in places where it could have seeped inside.

So the only thing that still worries me is the keyboard electronics. I'm
not sure whether I want to drown that in water just to be sure, or just
be content with having wiped it with a wet cloth and then wiped it dry
again.

Oh, and then of course there's the other thing to be worried about:
Whether I'll be able to reassemble it properly ;)

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On 1/30/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 1/30/2016 3:57 AM, Kenneth wrote:
>> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and
>> use a new
>> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting
>> use...
>>
>> Of course, if you're environmentally-minded, you can recycle 'em as
>> art. I glue
>> the old ones together, to make a big impressive-looking ball. It's now
>> 17 meters
>> in diameter. People are always complimenting me on my ingenuity and
>> aesthetic
>> taste.
>>
>>
>
> I purposefully got my keyboards second hand. I like them because they
> are nice and solid. Not the cheap flimsy things you get when you buy a
> PC at the local box store.
>

I can understand that. They don't feel right typing on them.
My last k/board was an inexpensive gaming one, a Corsair k30 keyboard. 
About 40 GBP.
It feels solid and sturdy with a positive key action, well worth the 
money and that is not counting the illuminated keys and extra keys for 
macros.

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     Stephen

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On 1/30/2016 3:09 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 30.01.2016 um 14:42 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 1/30/2016 12:10 PM, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 30.01.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Kenneth:
>>>> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day,
>>>> and use a new
>>>> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting
>>>> use...
>>>
>>> Not really an option in this case -- we're talking about a Logitech G19
>>> here. They're not even making them anymore.
>>>
>>
>> FYI
>>
http://www.amazon.de/Logitech-Gaming-Tastatur-schnurgebunden-deutsches-Tastaturlayout/dp/B001S2W5U2
>
> I had found that one already. Did you have a look at the price for a new
> one? EUR 421,68, that's about 320 GBP at the current exchange rate.
>

No I did not. You could buy two cheap laptops at PC World for that 
price. (If you had taken leave of your senses.)
I thought the price of the German one was pricy so that's why I posted 
the UK one without thinking.

>> or
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-920-000978-G19-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B001RORKH4
>
> Not an option, as it sure as hell isn't a German one.
>
>

Colour me thick. I forgot about that. I was given a laptop for work and 
it had a Norwegian k/board.
Quite inconvenient.


> But I'm mildly optimistic about the specimen I gave a few sips of coke
> to drink. I've gone for the disassemble-cleanse-reassemble approach now.
>

That's good. It will five you something to do over the weekend. ;-)
And we all know what happens when you put coper coins in a can of coke.


>
> So the only thing that still worries me is the keyboard electronics. I'm
> not sure whether I want to drown that in water just to be sure, or just
> be content with having wiped it with a wet cloth and then wiped it dry
> again.
>
I would have rinsed it off and maybe rinsed of the water with alcohol 
before drying. That is an option for later if it does not work.

> Oh, and then of course there's the other thing to be worried about:
> Whether I'll be able to reassemble it properly ;)
>

I'm terrible with membranes and the like. And I’ve never successfully 
put back together anything that used an elastomeric connector.

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     Stephen

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Am 30.01.2016 um 17:27 schrieb Stephen:

>> But I'm mildly optimistic about the specimen I gave a few sips of coke
>> to drink. I've gone for the disassemble-cleanse-reassemble approach now.
> 
> That's good. It will five you something to do over the weekend. ;-)
> And we all know what happens when you put coper coins in a can of coke.

No banana, unfortunately. The U, I and Caps Lock keys remain dead, and
seem unwilling to be revived.


Which means that for now I'm stuck with a spare keyboard I originally
bought for the occasional direct access to my otherwise headless Linux
box, chosen specifically for its tiny dimensions and affordable price.
/Not/ the thing that's fun to use for software development.

I hate to be begging, but as I'm currently short on money (and high on
round tuits since a couple of days now, which is a bad sign as far as
finances go), while at the same time I don't see a point in replacing
one crappy keyboard with another marginally less crappy one, I'd like
everyone to know that donations would be highly welcome at this point.

I guess my current dream keyboard would be one of these:

http://www.amazon.de/registry/wishlist/VJ0OCNX5ZOGH

Having gotten quite used to the 12 programmable macro keys on the G19, I
must confess I'm hesitant to get anything with fewer of those.

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The internal organs of this gadget sound somewhat similar to those of 
the Microsoft Ergonomic Whatsit of some years back, the one that vaguely 
resembled a grand piano.  I trust that you've wiped down *all* the 
contacts with an alcohol prep pad...?

As I recall, the trick with the MS Whozit was to lift out the sheet with 
the printed circuits, tip it slightly, and squint at it--*any* spot that 
the looked a little brownish or burnt got a good wipe-down with alcohol. 
  I did manage to resurrect a couple of them multiple times with this 
treatment.

And consider--if you can get U and I to work, you can live without caps 
lock.  :)

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Am 31.01.2016 um 07:21 schrieb Sherry K. Shaw:
> The internal organs of this gadget sound somewhat similar to those of
> the Microsoft Ergonomic Whatsit of some years back, the one that vaguely
> resembled a grand piano.  I trust that you've wiped down *all* the
> contacts with an alcohol prep pad...?
> 
> As I recall, the trick with the MS Whozit was to lift out the sheet with
> the printed circuits, tip it slightly, and squint at it--*any* spot that
> the looked a little brownish or burnt got a good wipe-down with alcohol.
>  I did manage to resurrect a couple of them multiple times with this
> treatment.

There are a few problems with applying this remedy to my G19:

- The G19's printed circuits sheet isn't a single sheet, but again a
sandwich of three sheets: A single-sided upper contact layer, a spacer,
and another apparently double-sided layer. These layers are heat-welded
together at strategic points, making it difficult to get a good glimpse
of the contacts from an angle, let alone access them specifically.

- I don't have any alcohol at home - not even a beer ;)

- There is plenty of evidence that the brown ooze never ever reached the
U and I key contacts, and instead wreaked havoc somewhere else to kill
an entire row of the key matrix (the G19 has 5-key rollover, so it is
reasonable to assume that the rows and columns of the matrix are only
sparsely populated).


> And consider--if you can get U and I to work, you can live without caps
> lock.  :)

Yeah, that thought had already crossed my mind, too ;)

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Le 2016-01-30 03:57, Kenneth a écrit :
> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and use a new
> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting use...
>
> Of course, if you're environmentally-minded, you can recycle 'em as art. I glue
> the old ones together, to make a big impressive-looking ball. It's now 17 meters
> in diameter. People are always complimenting me on my ingenuity and aesthetic
> taste.
>
>
A real life Katamari-Damacy.

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Le 2016-01-30 03:05, Ger a écrit :
> Francois Labreque wrote:
>
>> Le 2016-01-29 18:36, clipka a écrit :
>>> Pro Tip:
>>>
>>> Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
>>> first line of defense against beverage spills.
>>>
>>> (A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)
>>>
>>> Confirmed by experiment.
>>>
>>> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>>>
>>
>> I heard that - although never tried - most keyboards can go in the
>> dishwasher (without soap), upside down on the top rack.  You just have
>> to make sure they dry completely before reconnecting them.
>>
>
> Never put a keyboard in a dishwasher, it gets too hot and will most likely
> deform the keyboard.

I forgot that nowadays, they're made of cheap plastic.

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Le 2016-01-31 07:15, clipka a écrit :
>
> - I don't have any alcohol at home - not even a beer ;)
>

And you call yourself a German?

(And before you ask, yes, my igloo is filled with maple syrup)
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On 1/31/2016 2:18 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
> And before you ask, yes, my igloo is filled with maple syrup

Is it part of the Canadian maple syrup reserve that was stolen? ;-)


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clipka wrote:

> - The G19's printed circuits sheet isn't a single sheet, but again a
> sandwich of three sheets: A single-sided upper contact layer, a spacer,
> and another apparently double-sided layer. These layers are heat-welded
> together at strategic points, making it difficult to get a good glimpse
> of the contacts from an angle, let alone access them specifically.

Ah.  I recall the three plastic sheets in the MS keyboard as being 
separate, but I don't recall if they were that way originally or if they 
required encouragement.

> - I don't have any alcohol at home - not even a beer ;)

My husband was an insulin-dependent diabetic, so consequently we kept a 
supply of the little alcohol wipes for his injections and finger-sticks. 
  It turns out that they're extremely useful for cleaning contacts, 
displays, and so forth--anything that you really don't want to hose down 
with the Scrubbing Bubbles.

--Sherry Shaw


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On 1/31/2016 4:17 PM, Sherry K. Shaw wrote:
> we kept a supply of the little alcohol wipes for his injections and
> finger-sticks.  It turns out that they're extremely useful for cleaning
> contacts, displays, and so forth--anything that you really don't want to
> hose down with the Scrubbing Bubbles.

I have about three quartes a litre of IPA (Isopropyl alcohol) for 
cleaning things. I got fed up with using vodka. :-)

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On 31/01/2016 04:23 PM, Stephen wrote:
> I have about three quartes a litre of IPA (Isopropyl alcohol) for
> cleaning things. I got fed up with using vodka. :-)

Is *that* why it's called "Greenking IPA"?

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On 1/31/2016 4:25 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 31/01/2016 04:23 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> I have about three quartes a litre of IPA (Isopropyl alcohol) for
>> cleaning things. I got fed up with using vodka. :-)
>
> Is *that* why it's called "Greenking IPA"?

Naw, there is only one real IPA and it is called McEwan's. :-P

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Stephen wrote:
> On 1/31/2016 4:17 PM, Sherry K. Shaw wrote:
>> we kept a supply of the little alcohol wipes for his injections and
>> finger-sticks.  It turns out that they're extremely useful for cleaning
>> contacts, displays, and so forth--anything that you really don't want to
>> hose down with the Scrubbing Bubbles.
>
> I have about three quartes a litre of IPA (Isopropyl alcohol) for
> cleaning things. I got fed up with using vodka. :-)
>

A sad waste of vodka (although personally I'd prefer rum to not 
waste--preferably in conjunction with fruit juice and neon-colored 
liqueurs, with a little paper umbrella on top to keep the rain out. 
Although Kool-Aid also works.)  :)

--Sherry Shaw


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On 2/1/2016 5:01 AM, Sherry K. Shaw wrote:
> A sad waste of vodka (although personally I'd prefer rum to not
> waste--preferably in conjunction with fruit juice and neon-colored
> liqueurs, with a little paper umbrella on top to keep the rain out.
> Although Kool-Aid also works.) :)
>
A waste indeed hence the IPA.
It would have been my wife’s vodka. I drink whisky which leaves a stain 
when it dries. Now, your witches brew could be used as a nutrient. ;-)


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Le 2016-01-31 09:29, Stephen a écrit :
> On 1/31/2016 2:18 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>> And before you ask, yes, my igloo is filled with maple syrup
>
> Is it part of the Canadian maple syrup reserve that was stolen? ;-)
>
>
I refuse to answer that question without my lawyer present.

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On 2/1/2016 7:14 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Le 2016-01-31 09:29, Stephen a écrit :
>> On 1/31/2016 2:18 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>>> And before you ask, yes, my igloo is filled with maple syrup
>>
>> Is it part of the Canadian maple syrup reserve that was stolen? ;-)
>>
>>
> I refuse to answer that question without my lawyer present.
>

An acceptable answer. :)


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>> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>>
>
> I coughed and spit some water on my monitor once. There's still a dark
> splotch near the bottom where the pixels are dead.

When I was a child, we got a shiny new Acorn A3010 for Christmas. My 
sister spilt Ribena around the Delete key area, so even many years later 
that key always got stuck down if you pressed it. I got into such a 
habit of never using that key (as it would end up deleting everything 
after the cursor before you could wiggle it back up), that even today it 
feels dangerous to use it.

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>> And consider--if you can get U and I to work, you can live without caps
>> lock.  :)
>
> Yeah, that thought had already crossed my mind, too ;)

German caps lock should be called shift lock.

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Am 02.02.2016 um 09:20 schrieb scott:
>>> And consider--if you can get U and I to work, you can live without caps
>>> lock.  :)
>>
>> Yeah, that thought had already crossed my mind, too ;)
> 
> German caps lock should be called shift lock.

As a matter of fact it is called Feststelltaste (loosely translating to
lock key), and typically labelled ⇩ (loosely translating to downward
arrow) :P

As for its function, that depends on the keyboard driver you're using.
On Windows for instance, the "Deutsch (Standard)" keyboard driver
follows the German official norm, which continues the tradition of
mechanical typewriters to have the key operate as shift lock, but German
keyboard drivers do exist that configure it as caps lock, such as the
"Deutsch (IBM)" keyboard driver on Windows.

Obviously the "Deutsch (Standard)" use of the key is the more
straightforward: Locked state matches the shifted state, and that's
that. On the other end of the spectrum, the "Deutsch (Schweiz)" not only
restricts the function of the key to the letter keys, but goes so far as
to make some keys yield results that differ from both the shifted and
unshifted sate.

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>> German caps lock should be called shift lock.
>
> As a matter of fact it is called Feststelltaste (loosely translating to
> lock key), and typically labelled ⇩ (loosely translating to downward
> arrow) :P
>
> As for its function, that depends on the keyboard driver you're using.
> On Windows for instance, the "Deutsch (Standard)" keyboard driver
> follows the German official norm, which continues the tradition of
> mechanical typewriters to have the key operate as shift lock, but German
> keyboard drivers do exist that configure it as caps lock, such as the
> "Deutsch (IBM)" keyboard driver on Windows.

If only I'd known it was as simple as changing my keyboard driver to IBM...

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On 2-2-2016 15:18, clipka wrote:
> ... both the shifted and
> unshifted sate.
>

Yum yum... What kind of dressing goes with that? ;-)

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On 2/3/2016 8:21 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 2-2-2016 15:18, clipka wrote:
>> ... both the shifted and
>> unshifted sate.
>>
>
> Yum yum... What kind of dressing goes with that? ;-)
>

A chemise. And when un-shifted makes the eyebrows rise. ;-)

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On 3-2-2016 10:24, Stephen wrote:
> On 2/3/2016 8:21 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 2-2-2016 15:18, clipka wrote:
>>> ... both the shifted and
>>> unshifted sate.
>>>
>>
>> Yum yum... What kind of dressing goes with that? ;-)
>>
>
> A chemise. And when un-shifted makes the eyebrows rise. ;-)
>

Ah! We here have a little difficulty I overlooked. I read "sate" 
(Indonesian and popular in NL) as the pieces of pork pricked on a stick 
and generally served with peanut sauce. However, I like your reading of 
the word :-)

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If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost a few
bucks more ...
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00

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Am 04.02.2016 um 20:07 schrieb Theogott:
> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost a few
> bucks more ...
>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00

That don't impress me much; what I'm after is a few more dedicated macro
keys.

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On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost a few
> bucks more ...
>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>

What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.

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On 2/5/2016 8:09 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>> a few
>> bucks more ...
>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>
>>
>
> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.
>

To go with the flashing disco lights on you system box. :-)


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On 5-2-2016 9:22, Stephen wrote:
> On 2/5/2016 8:09 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>>> a few
>>> bucks more ...
>>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.
>>
>
> To go with the flashing disco lights on you system box. :-)
>
>

Useless then.

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On 2/5/2016 12:37 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 5-2-2016 9:22, Stephen wrote:
>> On 2/5/2016 8:09 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>>>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>>>> a few
>>>> bucks more ...
>>>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.
>>>
>>
>> To go with the flashing disco lights on you system box. :-)
>>
>>
>
> Useless then.
>

Worse than useless a distraction.
I had a pc that had a flashing neon light on a fan.
Snip! snip! and bob's your aunt. :)


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     Stephen

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On 5-2-2016 13:49, Stephen wrote:
> On 2/5/2016 12:37 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 5-2-2016 9:22, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 2/5/2016 8:09 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>>>>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>>>>> a few
>>>>> bucks more ...
>>>>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.
>>>>
>>>
>>> To go with the flashing disco lights on you system box. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Useless then.
>>
>
> Worse than useless a distraction.
> I had a pc that had a flashing neon light on a fan.
> Snip! snip! and bob's your aunt. :)
>
>
How terribly horrendous! I hate it when others decide what is good for 
you (flashing lights for instance).

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Le 2016-02-05 03:09, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>> a few
>> bucks more ...
>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>
>>
>
> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.
>
It's to go with your clear case and its neon lights.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xft1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12362418_1524224207890655_1490508958_n.jpg

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpt1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12353459_775571625903583_1955055891_n.jpg

It's like putting fog lights and a spoiler on your 2002 Nissan Sentra.

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Am 05.02.2016 um 09:09 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>> a few
>> bucks more ...
>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>
>>
> 
> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.

The purpose of the illumination is, in descending order of importance,

(1) to show off
(2) to see the keys even in almost total darkness
(3) to show off
(4) to remember what mode or profile you've currently set the
programmable keys to
(5) to show off
(6) to remember what type of stuff which key does in the game you're
currently playing
(7) to show off
(8) to remember what combo keys go with a particular key you've just pressed
(9) to show off

For the purpose of (1), (3), (5), (7) and (9) you can set the keyboard
to show all kinds of fancy animations.

For the purpose of (2), you can set the entire keyboard to show a
uniform colour with adjustable brightness. For the purpose of (4), you
can specify the colour on a per-profile or per-mode basis, e.g. for a
roleplay game you might want to use green to indicate that the macro
keys are currently set up for playing as a healer, yellow for a ranged
weapons fighter, red for a melee weapons fighter, and blue for a mage.

For the purpose of (6), you can specify the colour on a per-key basis,
e.g. you might assign blue to movement keys, yellow to keys for
switching weapons, red for attacking, and for non-combat stuff.

For the purpose of (8), the newest generation of keyboards also allow
you to further specify the colour based on what keys you're currently
pressing, or have just pressed a few moments ago.

My no-longer-trusty old G19 catered to (1)-(5).

The Corsair k95 RGB keyboard I expect to be delivered tomorrow will
cater to (1)-(9) and presumably (11) and (13), but the main reason I'm
getting it is the whopping 18 dedicated macro keys. I'm also looking
forward to the ability to re-program not only those dedicated macro
keys, but each and every key I feel like messing with.
Like, say, reprogramming the decimals separator on the numeric keypad to
either "." or "," to match the application I'm currently working with.

Getting fancy illumination with this is ok.

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On 2/5/2016 3:09 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>> a few
>> bucks more ...
>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>
>>
>
> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.
>

Keyboard lights could be useful for something like this.

http://isometricland.net/keyboard/keyboardchart.php?gam=51&sty=1&lay=1


Mike

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On 5-2-2016 20:17, clipka wrote:
> Am 05.02.2016 um 09:09 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 4-2-2016 20:07, Theogott wrote:
>>> If you choose the multicoloured keyboard for inspiration, it can cost
>>> a few
>>> bucks more ...
>>>
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MVT7AYW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What's the use of the colours? looks like gadgetry.
>
> The purpose of the illumination is, in descending order of importance,
>
> [snip]
>
> Getting fancy illumination with this is ok.
>

I see that my life is slowly drifting away from the mainstream. I shall 
soon be resting in the stagnant backwaters. :-) Fine by me by the way.

If you can give purpose to the lights, then OK of course.

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Am 05.02.2016 um 20:17 schrieb clipka:

> The Corsair k95 RGB keyboard I expect to be delivered tomorrow will
> cater to (1)-(9) and presumably (11) and (13), but the main reason I'm
> getting it is the whopping 18 dedicated macro keys. I'm also looking
> forward to the ability to re-program not only those dedicated macro
> keys, but each and every key I feel like messing with.
> Like, say, reprogramming the decimals separator on the numeric keypad to
> either "." or "," to match the application I'm currently working with.
> 
> Getting fancy illumination with this is ok.

A metal casing top is also an interesting feature...

This baby needs some modding though: The light bleeding out from under
the key caps /is/ counter-productive for all purposes except showing off.

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On 6-2-2016 16:07, clipka wrote:

> This baby needs some modding though: The light bleeding out from under
> the key caps /is/ counter-productive for all purposes except showing off.
>
That's what I thought.

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