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From: scott
Subject: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 06:51:24
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What's happened?

https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=povray%2C%20pov%20ray&cmpt=q&tz=


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 07:11:30
Message: <55703262$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/06/2015 11:51, scott wrote:
> What's happened?
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=povray%2C%20pov%20ray&cmpt=q&tz=

Andrew got a life?

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     Stephen


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From: scott
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 08:04:17
Message: <55703ec1$1@news.povray.org>
>> What's happened?
>>
>> https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=povray%2C%20pov%20ray&cmpt=q&tz=
>>
>
> Andrew got a life?

Yes, most of that chart was probably him :-)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 08:32:55
Message: <55704577$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/06/2015 13:04, scott wrote:
>>> What's happened?
>>>
>>> https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=povray%2C%20pov%20ray&cmpt=q&tz=
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Andrew got a life?
>
> Yes, most of that chart was probably him :-)
>
>
That and replies. :-)

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     Stephen


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From: scott
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 09:57:48
Message: <5570595c$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Andrew got a life?
>>
>> Yes, most of that chart was probably him :-)
>>
>>
> That and replies. :-)

You saying I need to get a life? :-)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 12:12:25
Message: <557078e9$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/06/2015 14:57, scott wrote:
>>>> Andrew got a life?
>>>
>>> Yes, most of that chart was probably him :-)
>>>
>>>
>> That and replies. :-)
>
> You saying I need to get a life? :-)
>
>
>
You can borrow mine. I'm not using it ATM. ;-)

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     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 15:40:48
Message: <5570a9c0$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/06/2015 12:11 PM, Stephen wrote:
> Andrew got a life?

Hardly.

For the past month, I've been tending my grandfather, who has suddenly 
been hospitalised. Last time I saw him, he was a regular guy. Now we 
can't speak, can't walk, can't move some of his limbs, can't do much of 
anything, really.

It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me 
sitting in that hospital bed, knowing that the end is near, and that 
there's nothing that anybody can do about it. Damn, I've wasted my life!

The daft thing is... my grandfather himself seems to be the only person 
in the family who's *not* terribly upset about all this. For somebody 
who now can't do anything, he seems remarkably cheerful...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 4 Jun 2015 16:12:26
Message: <5570b12a$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/06/2015 20:40, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 04/06/2015 12:11 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> Andrew got a life?
>
> Hardly.
>
> For the past month, I've been tending my grandfather, who has suddenly
> been hospitalised. Last time I saw him, he was a regular guy. Now we
> can't speak, can't walk, can't move some of his limbs, can't do much of
> anything, really.
>

Sorry to hear that.

> It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me
> sitting in that hospital bed, knowing that the end is near, and that
> there's nothing that anybody can do about it. Damn, I've wasted my life!
>
Well it does come to us all. So do, what you think you would regret not 
having done. While you are still young(ish).


> The daft thing is... my grandfather himself seems to be the only person
> in the family who's *not* terribly upset about all this. For somebody
> who now can't do anything, he seems remarkably cheerful...

The same thing happened to a grand uncle of mine.
I got the impression that he was quite happy to finish the course.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 5 Jun 2015 01:14:39
Message: <5571303f$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 20:40:55 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> On 04/06/2015 12:11 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> Andrew got a life?
> 
> Hardly.
> 
> For the past month, I've been tending my grandfather, who has suddenly
> been hospitalised. Last time I saw him, he was a regular guy. Now we
> can't speak, can't walk, can't move some of his limbs, can't do much of
> anything, really.

Very sorry to hear this, Andrew.

> It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me
> sitting in that hospital bed, knowing that the end is near, and that
> there's nothing that anybody can do about it. Damn, I've wasted my life!

Hopefully not next week.  But as Stephen says, do things now that you 
don't want to look back on and regret not doing.

> The daft thing is... my grandfather himself seems to be the only person
> in the family who's *not* terribly upset about all this. For somebody
> who now can't do anything, he seems remarkably cheerful...

That's not uncommon, actually.  I was fortunate enough to speak to my 
father the weekend before he died - he was generally cheerful and 
talkative (he'd been diagnosed - incorrectly, it turns out - with 
Alzheimer’s; he had a form of dementia of sorts, but it wasn't what 
everyone thought it was), even though he was in the hospital.

Jim
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: scott
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 5 Jun 2015 02:49:20
Message: <55714670$1@news.povray.org>
> For the past month, I've been tending my grandfather, who has suddenly
> been hospitalised. Last time I saw him, he was a regular guy. Now we
> can't speak, can't walk, can't move some of his limbs, can't do much of
> anything, really.

Sorry to hear that. It's surprising how fast things can change, a 
similar thing happened with my grandmother a couple of years ago. If 
it's any consolation then at least you are able to be there with him 
regularly.

> It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me
> sitting in that hospital bed,

Some day soon? What on Earth are you planning on doing!!


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 5 Jun 2015 03:20:58
Message: <55714dda$1@news.povray.org>
On 4-6-2015 21:40, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 04/06/2015 12:11 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> Andrew got a life?
>
> Hardly.
>
> For the past month, I've been tending my grandfather, who has suddenly
> been hospitalised. Last time I saw him, he was a regular guy. Now we
> can't speak, can't walk, can't move some of his limbs, can't do much of
> anything, really.

Sorry about that, Andrew. I understand how you are feeling. It comes as 
a shock when loved ones are stricken down - apparently suddenly. We 
generally turn a blind eye upon the possibility of harm or illness; we 
do not want it to happen.

>
> It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me
> sitting in that hospital bed, knowing that the end is near, and that
> there's nothing that anybody can do about it. Damn, I've wasted my life!

Hopefully you still have a long life in front of you but it is wisdom to 
realise that we are not eternal. In that sense, no life is wasted at all 
and there is only the awareness and the (mild) regret that not 
everything is possible (nor advisable). In the end, it is tending our 
garden the best we can - and enjoying it of course. With the cumulation 
of years, time speeds up indeed as suddenly you realise that only so 
many years are left to you. It is a sobering thought but not necessarily 
sad.

>
> The daft thing is... my grandfather himself seems to be the only person
> in the family who's *not* terribly upset about all this. For somebody
> who now can't do anything, he seems remarkably cheerful...

Yes, I am not really surprised. Take it as a comfort for you and you 
will be able to tend him even better.

Take care.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 03:30:49
Message: <5573f329$1@news.povray.org>
A nice read on the topic: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33023404

-- 
Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 04:19:16
Message: <5573fe84$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2015 08:30, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> A nice read on the topic: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33023404
>

Ah! Creamola Foam. :-)

I remember the first time a young person offered me her seat, on a bus. 
I was mortified.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 07:34:30
Message: <55742c46$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-6-2015 10:19, Stephen wrote:
> On 07/06/2015 08:30, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> A nice read on the topic: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33023404
>>
>
> Ah! Creamola Foam. :-)

I had to look it up. I have a vague recollection of something equivalent 
in the 1950s though, involving crystals in individual paper packages.

>
> I remember the first time a young person offered me her seat, on a bus.
> I was mortified.
>


Lol, yes. I remember the first time a child in the street called me grandpa.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 07:39:53
Message: <55742d89$1@news.povray.org>
>> It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me
>> sitting in that hospital bed, knowing that the end is near, and that
>> there's nothing that anybody can do about it. Damn, I've wasted my life!
>>
> Well it does come to us all. So do, what you think you would regret not
> having done. While you are still young(ish).

At the very least, I wasted ten years of my life at my last job. I get 
the feeling it's time to leave my current one - but that would require 
finding somewhere else to go...

> The same thing happened to a grand uncle of mine.
> I got the impression that he was quite happy to finish the course.

That reminds me of a song...

Cursum perficio.
Verbum sapienti:
Quo plus habent, eo plus cupiunt.
Post nubila, Phoebus.
Eternum.

(The first line means "I complete the course". I'll leave you boys with 
a Latin education to figure out the rest...)


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 07:46:53
Message: <55742f2d@news.povray.org>
On 05/06/2015 06:14 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:

> Very sorry to hear this, Andrew.

Yeah. What else is there to say?

Suffice it to say that I've never experienced death before. My grandad 
isn't dead of course - but he looks so frail now...

>> It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me
>> sitting in that hospital bed, knowing that the end is near, and that
>> there's nothing that anybody can do about it. Damn, I've wasted my life!
>
> Hopefully not next week.  But as Stephen says, do things now that you
> don't want to look back on and regret not doing.

If life were that simple, I would have done these things already.

I don't know... now every time I feel slightly tired or my feed ache 
slightly or anything, I just feel like I'm completely falling apart. 
Like my youth is over and I'll never feel fit and healthy ever again...

>> The daft thing is... my grandfather himself seems to be the only person
>> in the family who's *not* terribly upset about all this. For somebody
>> who now can't do anything, he seems remarkably cheerful...
>
> That's not uncommon, actually.

Hmm. He's probably just enjoying not doing the washing up ever day.

He may not be able to talk much, but he's still the cheeky old rascal 
he's always been. (Last time I visited, he wanted us to smuggle in a gin 
and tonic...)


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 07:49:15
Message: <55742fbb$1@news.povray.org>
On 05/06/2015 07:49 AM, scott wrote:
> Sorry to hear that. It's surprising how fast things can change, a
> similar thing happened with my grandmother a couple of years ago. If
> it's any consolation then at least you are able to be there with him
> regularly.

Yeah. That's about it.

> Some day soon? What on Earth are you planning on doing!!

It seems like only a few months ago I was taking my Network 
Architectures final exams.

Actually, then was ten years ago.

It just feels like in a few months' time, I'm going to wake up and 
realise that my entire life is over, and I have nothing but regrets to 
show for it.

That and a feeling of just having no idea what I actually want to do 
with my life.

I guess everybody feels like that sometimes...


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 07:53:33
Message: <557430bd$1@news.povray.org>
On 05/06/2015 08:20 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Hopefully you still have a long life in front of you but it is wisdom to
> realise that we are not eternal. In that sense, no life is wasted at all
> and there is only the awareness and the (mild) regret that not
> everything is possible (nor advisable). In the end, it is tending our
> garden the best we can - and enjoying it of course. With the cumulation
> of years, time speeds up indeed as suddenly you realise that only so
> many years are left to you. It is a sobering thought but not necessarily
> sad.

I don't know. I still think of myself as a poor broke student. I've just 
got my first real paying job. I've just moved out of my mum's house into 
my first student flat. I'm just starting out in life...

...except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my 
career. In a few years' time I'll be TOO OLD to have children. [Not that 
I want to, but you know.] When I look at a pretty girl, I suddenly 
realise she's ten if not twenty years younger than me.

I just have an overwhelming feeling that it's all too late now. That the 
best years of my life are long over, and there's nothing I can do about 
it now.

Still, at least I have 23,000 rep on StackOverflow, eh? :-|


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 08:25:17
Message: <5574382d@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2015 12:39, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
> At the very least, I wasted ten years of my life at my last job. I get
> the feeling it's time to leave my current one - but that would require
> finding somewhere else to go...
>

No! No!
It took us long enough to talk you into it last time. :-P

>> The same thing happened to a grand uncle of mine.
>> I got the impression that he was quite happy to finish the course.
>
> That reminds me of a song...
>
> Cursum perficio.

>
> (The first line means "I complete the course". I'll leave you boys with
> a Latin education to figure out the rest...)

I'll see your Enya and raise you Carmina Burana ~ O Fortuna


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 08:31:25
Message: <5574399d$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2015 12:34, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 7-6-2015 10:19, Stephen wrote:
>> On 07/06/2015 08:30, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> A nice read on the topic: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33023404
>>>
>>
>> Ah! Creamola Foam. :-)
>
> I had to look it up. I have a vague recollection of something equivalent
> in the 1950s though, involving crystals in individual paper packages.
>

Tooth rot in a tin. It was.

>>
>> I remember the first time a young person offered me her seat, on a bus.
>> I was mortified.
>>
>
>
> Lol, yes. I remember the first time a child in the street called me
> grandpa.
>

I've not had that yet. Maybe Dr. John has. ;-)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 08:33:09
Message: <55743a05$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-6-2015 13:53, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 05/06/2015 08:20 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Hopefully you still have a long life in front of you but it is wisdom to
>> realise that we are not eternal. In that sense, no life is wasted at all
>> and there is only the awareness and the (mild) regret that not
>> everything is possible (nor advisable). In the end, it is tending our
>> garden the best we can - and enjoying it of course. With the cumulation
>> of years, time speeds up indeed as suddenly you realise that only so
>> many years are left to you. It is a sobering thought but not necessarily
>> sad.
>
> I don't know. I still think of myself as a poor broke student. I've just
> got my first real paying job. I've just moved out of my mum's house into
> my first student flat. I'm just starting out in life...
>
> ...except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my
> career. In a few years' time I'll be TOO OLD to have children. [Not that
> I want to, but you know.] When I look at a pretty girl, I suddenly
> realise she's ten if not twenty years younger than me.
>
> I just have an overwhelming feeling that it's all too late now. That the
> best years of my life are long over, and there's nothing I can do about
> it now.
>
> Still, at least I have 23,000 rep on StackOverflow, eh? :-|

I can sympathise with your feelings indeed but I think you are wrong, at 
least where your outlook on life is concerned. Of course there is regret 
for things in the past, opportunities not taken, (stupid) errors made, 
fate which was not always kind (or so we think). We all have that (read 
that little piece by A.L. Kennedy). But on the other hand, do not forget 
what life has brought to you and what it has allowed you to become, not 
in the least by your own endeavours too. From what I read about you 
there is nothing to be ashamed of and you happen to be on the right 
track. I can understand what you are saying because, at 35, you are 
still at that junction point where many things still seem reachable 
although the sense of time running out becomes more acute, and the 
awareness grows that /all/ is not possible after all. Unfair? yes. Life 
is not fair. There are, at each junction, choices to be made and 
happily, with the growing number of years as wisdom (or insight, if you 
will) increases, they become better focussed, better accepted, better 
integrated. Remains the fact that we do not know where we are exactly 
going (except for the end) but we are the captain of our own ship and we 
have a (moral) inner dead reckoning compass by which to navigate by.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 08:38:57
Message: <55743b61$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/2015 12:53, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> In a few years' time I'll be TOO OLD to have children.

There are tablets you can get for that, nowadays. ;-)

Maybe it is time for another change in your life.
I see a visit across the sea coming your way. Why not look around for a 
new life at the same time.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 12:08:50
Message: <op.xzva4yldufxv4h@xena>
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 13:53:34 +0200, Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

> Still, at least I have 23,000 rep on StackOverflow, eh? :-|

http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/20407/will-high-reputation-in-stack-overflow-help-to-get-a-good-job

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-Nekar Xenos-


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 7 Jun 2015 21:03:45
Message: <5574e9f1$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 12:46:53 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> On 05/06/2015 06:14 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Very sorry to hear this, Andrew.
> 
> Yeah. What else is there to say?
> 
> Suffice it to say that I've never experienced death before. My grandad
> isn't dead of course - but he looks so frail now...

I know the feeling - went through that with my dad about 10 years ago.

>>> It's rather frightening to think that some day soon, it will be me
>>> sitting in that hospital bed, knowing that the end is near, and that
>>> there's nothing that anybody can do about it. Damn, I've wasted my
>>> life!
>>
>> Hopefully not next week.  But as Stephen says, do things now that you
>> don't want to look back on and regret not doing.
> 
> If life were that simple, I would have done these things already.

Well, of course life isn't simple, but it's simpler than most people 
think it is.  The thing is, you don't truly know that until you get 
older.  That's something I've learned probably over the last 10 or 15 
years - I used to think the way you did - life is complicated.

It really isn't.  Yes, you need money to do stuff, and yes, arranging 
time off is a challenge.

I've got a coworker who's just getting started in her career - she's in 
her mid-20s.  Right now, she's touring Europe for a month.  She's not 
taking every day off - and is working while traveling, but she's having a 
blast doing it.  Her job lets her work from anywhere she can get an 
Internet connection, so as she and her friends planned the trip, that was 
one requirement they had for anywhere they stayed.  They've found some 
amazing places to stay (we had a video chat while she was in Andorra last 
week) that aren't costing a lot of money.

She could have taken the attitude that "life's complicated" and "I can't 
do that", but she didn't - she found a way to make the trip happen in a 
way that's working for her, working for the company we work for, and 
working for her friends on the trip with her.

> I don't know... now every time I feel slightly tired or my feed ache
> slightly or anything, I just feel like I'm completely falling apart.
> Like my youth is over and I'll never feel fit and healthy ever again...

Well, you're not.  You're, what, 30-ish?  You're still new to the game.  
I know it feels like it (when I was 30, I used to get royally pissed off 
at people older than me treating me like I was still a kid, and that I 
had no experience.  Now I'm in my mid-40's, and I try not to treat people 
the way I felt I was treated, but it is actually not easy to want to 
share experience.  I know now that they were making it up as they went 
along, just as I am now).

I have a new boss - she started two weeks ago.  She asked me what I want 
to do - if I've thought about 'x' in terms of career path.  My answer was 
that my career has been varied and pretty much has gone "where the wind 
blows".  I like learning new things, and I'm not risk-averse (but I also 
am not careless about risks - they're always calculated risks, and 
generally have paid off pretty well).  But the thing I've learned is that 
there comes a point where you have to stop thinking and calculating and 
just do the thing that you're thinking about.

Can it blow up on you?  Sure.  That's sometimes what happens.  When it 
does, you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start over.

>>> The daft thing is... my grandfather himself seems to be the only
>>> person in the family who's *not* terribly upset about all this. For
>>> somebody who now can't do anything, he seems remarkably cheerful...
>>
>> That's not uncommon, actually.
> 
> Hmm. He's probably just enjoying not doing the washing up ever day.

Could be, or it could be that he's reliving the good memories.  My dad 
did that a lot in his final years - it helped him deal with the fact that 
sometimes he couldn't remember what he was working on.

> He may not be able to talk much, but he's still the cheeky old rascal
> he's always been. (Last time I visited, he wanted us to smuggle in a gin
> and tonic...)

Even though I don't know him, give him one from me, and raise a glass to 
him in my absence.  Sounds like an amazing guy. :)

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 8 Jun 2015 01:59:05
Message: <55752f29$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 12:39:53 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> At the very least, I wasted ten years of my life at my last job.

When I got laid off, I had similar thoughts - I'd put 8 years into the 
company itself, and another 9 years (at that point) as a volunteer in the 
company's forums.

But that's not true.  Don't fall for the 'sunk cost fallacy' when it 
comes to employment.

Even if you don't realise it, you learned important things at your 
previous job (as I recall, it was your first after University, wasn't it?
) - no, I can't tell you what those things were.  That's something you'll 
have to look for.

> I get
> the feeling it's time to leave my current one - but that would require
> finding somewhere else to go...

What gives you that feeling?  You seem to be enjoying the work, and from 
what I recall you writing, you get along with your coworkers and 
management....

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: scott
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 8 Jun 2015 03:52:20
Message: <557549b4$1@news.povray.org>
> I don't know. I still think of myself as a poor broke student. I've just
> got my first real paying job. I've just moved out of my mum's house into
> my first student flat. I'm just starting out in life...
>
> ...except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my
> career.

Yes because everyone retires by 40.

> When I look at a pretty girl, I suddenly
> realise she's ten if not twenty years younger than me.

You never know, she might be interested in older men :-) I mean the one 
10 years younger, 20 years younger is not a very smart idea.

> I just have an overwhelming feeling that it's all too late now. That the
> best years of my life are long over, and there's nothing I can do about
> it now.

Judging by what I saw/see of my parents, the best years of your life 
start the day you retire. They have less "free" time than I do, and they 
don't have a job to go to!

> Still, at least I have 23,000 rep on StackOverflow, eh? :-|

Looking back then, what else would you have rather have done with the 
time you spent on there?


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 8 Jun 2015 07:38:02
Message: <55757e9a@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/15 13:31, Stephen wrote:
> 
> I've not had that yet. Maybe Dr. John has. ;-)
> 

Nope, though I have to admit that my nickname at work is 'The Old Man'.
I assume, of course, that they mean it respectfully.

John
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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 8 Jun 2015 07:43:13
Message: <55757fd1$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/06/15 12:53, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>  
> ....except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my
> career. 

Not true at all. At that age, I was just starting in my present career;
IIRC, so was Stephen. You've got 30+ years of productive life ahead of
you and even more if you manage to get into consultancy work.

John
-- 
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You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 8 Jun 2015 08:14:16
Message: <55758718$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/06/2015 12:43, Doctor John wrote:
> On 07/06/15 12:53, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>
>> ....except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my
>> career.
>
> Not true at all. At that age, I was just starting in my present career;
> IIRC, so was Stephen. You've got 30+ years of productive life ahead of
> you and even more if you manage to get into consultancy work.
>

Yes, I changed careers when I was 31 then again when I was 46.


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 8 Jun 2015 08:16:08
Message: <55758788$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/06/2015 12:38, Doctor John wrote:
> On 07/06/15 13:31, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> I've not had that yet. Maybe Dr. John has. ;-)
>>
>
> Nope, though I have to admit that my nickname at work is 'The Old Man'.
> I assume, of course, that they mean it respectfully.
>
Right you are skip. :-)

I forgot about the portrait you keep in your attic.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 9 Jun 2015 13:42:28
Message: <55772584$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/06/2015 08:52 AM, scott wrote:
>> ...except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my
>> career.
>
> Yes because everyone retires by 40.

I don't know about "retire", but "stop being taken seriously", sure. (I 
guess it depends where you work.)

>> When I look at a pretty girl, I suddenly
>> realise she's ten if not twenty years younger than me.
>
> You never know, she might be interested in older men :-) I mean the one
> 10 years younger, 20 years younger is not a very smart idea.

There's a girl I fancy who's a mere 5 years younger than me. But she's 
convinced I'm "way too old for her".

Then again, on previous form, that's probably just a polite way of 
saying "I have way better taste than that"...

> Judging by what I saw/see of my parents, the best years of your life
> start the day you retire. They have less "free" time than I do, and they
> don't have a job to go to!

My mum, having recently retired, became incredibly depressed. Being an 
extremely obnoxious woman, she has no friends, no social life of any 
description. Now she doesn't work in a busy office, she never sees any 
other humans. At one point, she just lay in bed for two weeks. By herself.

If I have one mission in life, it is to *never* become like my mother! 
(This sounds trivial, but isn't.)

>> Still, at least I have 23,000 rep on StackOverflow, eh? :-|
>
> Looking back then, what else would you have rather have done with the
> time you spent on there?

I have absolutely no idea what I actually want out of life.

Then again, doesn't everybody feel like that sometimes?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 10 Jun 2015 00:29:36
Message: <5577bd30$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 18:42:31 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> On 08/06/2015 08:52 AM, scott wrote:
>>> ...except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my
>>> career.
>>
>> Yes because everyone retires by 40.
> 
> I don't know about "retire", but "stop being taken seriously", sure. (I
> guess it depends where you work.)

Here we go - your limited experience is showing.

I'm 45 this year.  I'm actually taken very seriously by my coworkers - 
many of them are your age or younger.

>>> When I look at a pretty girl, I suddenly realise she's ten if not
>>> twenty years younger than me.
>>
>> You never know, she might be interested in older men :-) I mean the one
>> 10 years younger, 20 years younger is not a very smart idea.
> 
> There's a girl I fancy who's a mere 5 years younger than me. But she's
> convinced I'm "way too old for her".
> 
> Then again, on previous form, that's probably just a polite way of
> saying "I have way better taste than that"...

There you go again, assuming you know what's in peoples' minds.  You do 
know what "assume" means, don't you?

>> Judging by what I saw/see of my parents, the best years of your life
>> start the day you retire. They have less "free" time than I do, and
>> they don't have a job to go to!
> 
> My mum, having recently retired, became incredibly depressed. Being an
> extremely obnoxious woman, she has no friends, no social life of any
> description. Now she doesn't work in a busy office, she never sees any
> other humans. At one point, she just lay in bed for two weeks. By
> herself.
> 
> If I have one mission in life, it is to *never* become like my mother!
> (This sounds trivial, but isn't.)

It's a good mission.  My mother is 80 next year (2016).  She's extremely 
busy and active - health problems, yes - but a true demonstration that 
you can do whatever you want if you put your mind to it.

She was raised in rural farmland with an abusive alcoholic father and a 
mother who had her own problems to deal with.  She was raised being told 
she was stupid and would never amount to anything.

She owns her own business (still doesn't charge enough for her work - but 
she's learning - at 79 years old - how to properly value her time and 
make a fair wage for the very specialized work she does).

>>> Still, at least I have 23,000 rep on StackOverflow, eh? :-|
>>
>> Looking back then, what else would you have rather have done with the
>> time you spent on there?
> 
> I have absolutely no idea what I actually want out of life.
> 
> Then again, doesn't everybody feel like that sometimes?

I feel like that every day, Andy.  My new boss asked me what my thinking 
was for my "career path" last week.  My career path....let's see, it's 
been kinda 'where the wind blows me'.  I haven't really had a plan - 
hell, when we moved from Utah to Washington, we took on a flat with a 
$3,000/month rent and *I had no full-time job* (I was a contract 
technical writer).

Pretty big risk.  We sold our house - got much less than we wanted for it 
(but that's pretty normal), and I found work when I got out here.  Oh, 
and my employer is based in Colorado, and there's an office in Vancouver 
(4 hours north of me *in a different country* - yes, it's Canada, but I 
still have to have a passport to visit the office).  I'm the only 
employee in the state.

But it's working out pretty well at the moment.  We'll probably move 
again next year (or later this year, possibly - if we can work out 
getting out of our lease early without too steep a penalty).

So don't feel like you're the only one who doesn't know what you want out 
of life.  I think most people are like that and just generally make it up 
as they go along.  You're *normal* in that respect - and probably many 
others.

Jim
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 16 Jun 2015 03:42:20
Message: <557fd35c$1@news.povray.org>
On 4-6-2015 12:51, scott wrote:
> What's happened?
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=povray%2C%20pov%20ray&cmpt=q&tz=

It looks like a general trend:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22povray%22%2C%20Blender%203D%2C%20Wings3D%2C%20Cinema4D&cmpt=q&tz=

even for Blender although to a lesser degree.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 18 Jun 2015 09:17:40
Message: <5582c4f4@news.povray.org>
Le 2015-06-07 08:25, Stephen a écrit :
> On 07/06/2015 12:39, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>
>> At the very least, I wasted ten years of my life at my last job. I get
>> the feeling it's time to leave my current one - but that would require
>> finding somewhere else to go...
>>
>
> No! No!
> It took us long enough to talk you into it last time. :-P
>
>>> The same thing happened to a grand uncle of mine.
>>> I got the impression that he was quite happy to finish the course.
>>
>> That reminds me of a song...
>>
>> Cursum perficio.
>
>>
>> (The first line means "I complete the course". I'll leave you boys with
>> a Latin education to figure out the rest...)
>
> I'll see your Enya and raise you Carmina Burana ~ O Fortuna
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIwrgAnx6Q8



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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 18 Jun 2015 10:48:30
Message: <5582da3e$1@news.povray.org>
On 18/06/2015 14:18, Francois Labreque wrote:
>> I'll see your Enya and raise you Carmina Burana ~ O Fortuna
>>
>>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIwrgAnx6Q8

Excellent! Well found. :-)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 18 Jun 2015 21:56:08
Message: <558376b8$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:18:15 -0400, Francois Labreque wrote:

> Le 2015-06-07 08:25, Stephen a écrit :
>> On 07/06/2015 12:39, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>>
>>> At the very least, I wasted ten years of my life at my last job. I get
>>> the feeling it's time to leave my current one - but that would require
>>> finding somewhere else to go...
>>>
>>>
>> No! No!
>> It took us long enough to talk you into it last time. :-P
>>
>>>> The same thing happened to a grand uncle of mine.
>>>> I got the impression that he was quite happy to finish the course.
>>>
>>> That reminds me of a song...
>>>
>>> Cursum perficio.
>>
>>
>>> (The first line means "I complete the course". I'll leave you boys
>>> with a Latin education to figure out the rest...)
>>
>> I'll see your Enya and raise you Carmina Burana ~ O Fortuna
>>
>>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIwrgAnx6Q8


I'll see your Gopher Tuna and raise you Mahler's Symphony #3. :)

Jim


-- 
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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: scott
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 1 Jul 2015 11:11:45
Message: <55940331$1@news.povray.org>
>>> ...except it's not true. I'm 35 years old. I'm nearly at the end of my
>>> career.
>>
>> Yes because everyone retires by 40.
>
> I don't know about "retire", but "stop being taken seriously", sure. (I
> guess it depends where you work.)

Unless you've just written some app that's had a billion downloads then 
I'd guess you're not going to get anywhere near a senior position in a 
large company unless you're over 40. There's a reason for that (it 
begins with "e").

> There's a girl I fancy who's a mere 5 years younger than me. But she's
> convinced I'm "way too old for her".

Not every girl will think that.

> My mum, having recently retired, became incredibly depressed. Being an
> extremely obnoxious woman, she has no friends, no social life of any
> description. Now she doesn't work in a busy office, she never sees any
> other humans. At one point, she just lay in bed for two weeks. By herself.

Sounds exactly like my gf's mum. It's odd how when people retire they 
seem to either veer off to one extreme or the other. All my grandparents 
were exactly like that too, just staying at home and not doing much. 
Maybe because of that my parents are the complete opposite.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 1 Jul 2015 11:20:40
Message: <55940548$1@news.povray.org>
> It looks like a general trend:
>
>
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22povray%22%2C%20Blender%203D%2C%20Wings3D%2C%20Cinema4D&cmpt=q&tz=
>
>
> even for Blender although to a lesser degree.

Even 3DS MAx is on massive decline too, about the only one I could think 
of that is increasing is SketchUp. And Maya is pretty steady. I'm sure 
there's not actually fewer people wanting to do 3D than before, they're 
just using different software.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 2 Jul 2015 03:04:57
Message: <5594e299$1@news.povray.org>
On 1-7-2015 17:20, scott wrote:
>> It looks like a general trend:
>>
>>
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22povray%22%2C%20Blender%203D%2C%20Wings3D%2C%20Cinema4D&cmpt=q&tz=
>>
>>
>>
>> even for Blender although to a lesser degree.
>
> Even 3DS MAx is on massive decline too, about the only one I could think
> of that is increasing is SketchUp. And Maya is pretty steady. I'm sure
> there's not actually fewer people wanting to do 3D than before, they're
> just using different software.
>

You may be right indeed. I have difficulty imagining less people using 
3D software.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Mr
Subject: Re: It's quiet
Date: 2 Jul 2015 04:10:01
Message: <web.5594f197a4817cd16086ed00@news.povray.org>
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=povray%2C%20cycles%20blender%2C%20VRay%2C%20lumion&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-2


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