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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Makeover
Date: 17 Mar 2015 17:15:40
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So I haven't visited Haskell.org for a while - mainly because it updates 
so rarely. But it appears to have had a major facelift.

Imagine my horror on seeing that the example program both 
incomprehensible and considered a Haskell anti-pattern! o_O

Still, they added a REPL directly to the front-page, which is nice. I 
can remember requesting this for ages. Well, it seems it's there now. 
Neato. (They make an offline tool that did this, then added the feature 
to an IRC bot, then made a 3rd-party website that did it... and now it's 
finally on the official site!)

It seems the old front-page is still there. And still hasn't been 
updated this year. But hey, at least you can see the "downloads" link 
directly from the new front-page. The "news" links to Twitter, Reddit, 
StackOverflow, etc. Not sure that's optimal; you get a screenful of 
social media "noise", rather than a "here are the major events that 
happened recently" written by a human. Still, I guess it updates more 
often! :-P



The example they chose to showcase is (and I quote):

primes = sieve [2..]
   where sieve (p:xs) =
           p : sieve [x | x <- xs, x `mod` p /= 0]

This is not exactly the most comprehensible Haskell fragment ever. And 
it's even formatted strangely. A normal human would probably write

primes = sieve [2..]
   where
     sieve (p:xs) = p : sieve [ x | x <- xs, x `mod` p /= 0 ]

Even then, it's just not a particularly good example. It's on the same 
level as the infamous

   fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)

Until you understand quite a bit about Haskell, this is utterly 
incomprehensible. (This example, at least, has the potential for being 
quite efficient, offering O(N) access to the Nth Fibonacci number.)

A better example - and one which was used in the past - is quicksort:

   quicksort [] = []
   quicksort [x] = [x]
   quicksort (x:xs) =
     let
       ys1 = quicksort $ filter (<= x) $ xs
       ys2 = quicksort $ filter (>  x) $ xs
     in ys1 ++ [x] ++ ys2

If you know how quicksort works, you can take a stab at what the hell 
this is doing, which is a start. (There's still plenty of strange syntax 
to trip you over. For example, WTF does ":" do??) It does demonstrate 
several neat Haskell features. For example, you define quicksort by 
saying "if the input looks like XXX, produce output YYY" several times. 
You can filter a list on a condition as trivially as "filter (> x) 
list". And so on.

Of course, quicksort only looks succinct because the filter function 
just happens to be predefined. If you try to do a mergesort... well, 
there's no predefined merge function. There's also no predefined way to 
split a list in half. In fact, it's not immediately obvious how to do 
that with a linked list. Assuming you don't need a stable sort, you can 
just "split" by taking even/odd list elements, like so:

   even_list (  []) = []
   even_list (x:xs) = x : odd_list xs

   odd_list (  []) = []
   odd_list (x:xs) = even_list xs

   merge (  []) (  ys) = ys
   merge (  xs) (  []) = xs
   merge (x:xs) (y:ys) =
     if x < y
       then x : merge (  xs) (y:ys)
       else y : merge (x:xs) (  ys)

   mergesort [] = []
   mergesort [x] = [x]
   mergesort xs =
     let
       ys1 = mergesort ( odd_list xs)
       ys2 = mergesort (even_list xs)
     in merge ys1 ys2

There is of course a whole bunch of subtlety going on here. If you don't 
understand pattern-matching properly, it's probably quite hard to follow 
what's going on. (Especially since list pattern syntax is so odd.)

Still, it could be worse. The example could have been

   main = putStrLn "Hello World!"

which would tell you *nothing* about what makes Haskell different from 
the two-dozen scripting languages of the world where Hello World is 
similarly terse...


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