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I am now back in the real world.
As you all know I have been working as a volunteer for Crisis at
Christmas and I am proud to say that I completed a Straight Eight on the
day shift at The Gate, the residential centre for the alcohol and/or
drug dependent homeless in London.
The Gate's location changes every year and its address is kept
confidential to discourage casual visitors. This year, Berkeley Homes
donated the use of 4 floors of a building on the Isle of Dogs which is
due to be demolished in April
http://www.berkeley-southquay.co.uk/index.cfm?articleID=1
To say that the building exceeded our needs and expectations would be a
gross understatement. We also did not expect Berkeley Homes to encourage
its own staff to come along as volunteers during the eight days we were
open.
On the Monday before we opened a team of technical volunteers descended
on the building and turned what had been the headquarters of the
Financial Ombudsman Service into a home for 140 Guests, and when I say
home I mean it in sense of a family home not some bland
institutionalised purely functional unit. It might interest you all to
hear that among the techies was a certain Chris Martin (Coldplay). He
was responsible for plumbing in the kitchen and I am pleased to say that
we had no leaks at all in that area.
I started work on Tuesday (23rd) at 07.45 along with ~70 other
volunteers from all walks of life and for the next 8 days we worked and
bonded with our Guests and became one big family. By the end of the week
you would have been hard pushed to say who was a Guest and who a
volunteer. In fact, on Monday (29th) a newbie volunteer* approached me
to see if I needed anything (new clothes, support, advice etc) and there
were several minutes of confusion until I realised that my badge had
been obscured by my fleece jacket. I, too, made a similar error when I
identified two smartly dressed guys as volunteers. A few days earlier I
had seen them arrive unshaven, unwashed and unkempt; now, they wouldn't
have looked out of place relaxing in an upmarket coffee shop.
Yesterday, with tears in our eyes** we said goodbye to our guests. Some
are going into detox and rehab programmes. Some have been found
sheltered or supported accommodation, and some we will see again next
year. Sadly, some we will never see again as they will die on the street.
I live in hope that one day Crisis will not be needed, but until then I
intend to be there for those of our big family who have less than nothing.
John
* Not all volunteers do the Straight Eight; the average is 3 shifts per
person.
** Literally. I saw several volunteers with suspiciously damp eyes and I
myself had to wander off into a quiet corner to compose myself twice
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Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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Congratulations John, and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
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It is my wish that there is no more Crisis too, no more starvation, seek
people from curable/preventable diseases, no more war (usually for
profit and/or religion), no more monetary system, that's why I proposed
the ideas about a natural-Law Resource-Based Economy, but I was rejected
as a conspiracy theorist, but the facts all over if we pay attention,
but people like you just want to feel good about an ever increasing
never-ending problem with uncried tear in their eyes and they go
mentally masturbate in their small happy corner of the World; keep
patching a crumbling damn, keep your hean in the sand, that will fix the
Humanity.
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And let's not go science to solve our problems, like a scientifically
based planed society and city with The Venus Project, no, let's go with
emotional insignificantly small patches that will fix almost nothing
probably, because of the system itself won't let you, more to the point
the people living in the Monetary System will not want to, because
they're too scared of it to risk fall in the same fate as those
unfortunate homeless people, or think the big scary monster is doing OK
for them, and for some that it's true, but because big sacrifices had to
do for them to have such opportunities, in many cases neglecting their
own life to secure somewhat their offspring future, but hey, I'm just a
conspiracy theorist, Humanity is OK, everything is OK, is Christmas!
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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> And let's not go science to solve our problems, like a scientifically
> based planed society and city with The Venus Project, no, let's go with
> emotional insignificantly small patches that will fix almost nothing
> probably, because of the system itself won't let you, more to the point
> the people living in the Monetary System will not want to, because
> they're too scared of it to risk fall in the same fate as those
> unfortunate homeless people, or think the big scary monster is doing OK
> for them, and for some that it's true, but because big sacrifices had to
> do for them to have such opportunities, in many cases neglecting their
> own life to secure somewhat their offspring future, but hey, I'm just a
> conspiracy theorist, Humanity is OK, everything is OK, is Christmas!
You write exactly like a conspiracy theorist. What do you expect?
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That you all don't stop at a shallow observation and go as you do with a
religious person that tries to justify their claims, fact check and
compare to reality, but OK, people here simply don't want to search for
truth, but their version of it and keep living in "their happy little
corner of the world", so be it, consequences will give a crap and
collect expensive on your indifference, my work is just to show you more
possibilities and it's done.
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On 04/01/2015 07:20, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> That you all don't stop at a shallow observation and go as you do with a
> religious person that tries to justify their claims, fact check and
> compare to reality, but OK, people here simply don't want to search for
> truth, but their version of it and keep living in "their happy little
> corner of the world", so be it, consequences will give a crap and
> collect expensive on your indifference, my work is just to show you more
> possibilities and it's done.
That is correct. We are a lost cause. Don't waste any more time on us.
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Stephen
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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> That you all don't stop at a shallow observation and go as you do with a
> religious person that tries to justify their claims, fact check and
> compare to reality, but OK, people here simply don't want to search for
> truth, but their version of it and keep living in "their happy little
> corner of the world", so be it, consequences will give a crap and
> collect expensive on your indifference, my work is just to show you more
> possibilities and it's done.
Do you honestly believe you are going to convince anybody with such
a condescending, if not outright insulting, attitude?
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Yes, people that actually use their brain and can be bother to care,
obviously you and other don't.
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Yeah sure, the opinion of a comfortable and willingly stupid, good luck
with that.
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Correction: not convince, spark a skeptic doubt, that's enough, you go
and check if it's true, it's not a matter of convincing, it's a matter
that people think on their own and see it as good because it is so, not
because I convinced so, it's not a new religion, it's about
scientifically solving and designing a new for of city and government,
for Humanity as a single society. It's about stop being a comfortable
sheeple and start reasoning as an individual.
I even made a previous post to Dr. John and nobody cared to comment
except him to reject it as a implied fictitious conspiracy theory, well
it has a website with all the details and welcomes everyone toe examine
and participate, scientifically, if they're not on some aspects, propose
the adequate scientific perspective, BUT NO, is just BS, right? right...
while ironically is probably the "Meca" of all ecologists, tree hugers,
and science-loving people to put it all in 1 place and build a Future by
Design, so if you all are a science-people as arrogantly have seen it
testing each others in knowledge matches, it should be interesting to
you, at least as a social and scientific phenomenon never tried before,
but amazingly enough all I find is the indifferent of ignorant people
from a religious 3rd World Country.
The Monetary System, and yes including "socialist" States, is not a
stable economy system, is a self-destructive, promoter of greed,
dishonesty and corruption of all kinds, it works for small economies
only and to a point, your small happy corner of the World is going to
the toilet with the rest of us, in an ever increasing accelerated
process; hecnce the need for change.
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On 04/01/2015 16:32, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Yeah sure, the opinion of a comfortable and willingly stupid, good luck
> with that.
Please stop it. You are being offensive.
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Stephen
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Anecdote: Saw this in news on the Internet: some people are doing what
they can: in a USA State, a anonymous person paid 50 mortgages ready for
foreclosure when he went to his local bank, and you think what I
advocate is crazy? We see the problem, TheVenusProject.com and
TheZeitgeistMovement.com are just trying to unify the effort, because it
only takes 1, like Science everything can branch off it.
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Have you thought how offensive your indifference is to others? I guess
not, that's why you're being so...
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 13:30:17 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> well it has a
> website
Oooh, well, that's ME convinced. They have a website and EVERYTHING. m-/
Seriously, Saul, you're not convincing me, and you're not convincing
anyone here of anything other than that you think you're better than
everyone else. You're condescending, rude, and making yourself quite
unwelcome.
This isn't the Saul I remember from years past. Which makes me want to
suggest that you get the help you seem to need - but I expect you to not
take that suggestion seriously, given your apparent current state of mind.
Chances are pretty good that I'm just going to block you from here on
out, depending on your response, and I would encourage others to do the
same.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Damn right I'm better human than any of you indifferent willingly fools
and if I'm not nice is because you all don't deserve it, and that gives
me every fucking reason to be so.
Yes, take something that can be ridicule easily and boom I'm conscience
free from whatever moral implication you were trying to communicate, you
couldn't be more cynical.
You know what I'm done with this newsgroup and their scientific and
mathematical atheists users that only care about themselves ho go fuck
yourselves, humanity will go on despite of indifferent assholes
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:03:59 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Damn right I'm better human than any of you indifferent willingly fools
> and if I'm not nice is because you all don't deserve it, and that gives
> me every fucking reason to be so.
>
> Yes, take something that can be ridicule easily and boom I'm conscience
> free from whatever moral implication you were trying to communicate, you
> couldn't be more cynical.
>
> You know what I'm done with this newsgroup and their scientific and
> mathematical atheists users that only care about themselves ho go fuck
> yourselves, humanity will go on despite of indifferent assholes
Yep, that's about what I expected from you Saul. Again, go get some help
- you seriously need it. You have changed - this group hasn't - and
that's usually a sign that something's going on that needs to be
evaluated by a professional.
I would not suggest that if I was an uncaring person. It truly is sad
what's happened to you.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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I have to apologize for my lose of temper, I could have said what I
meant without retorting to insults and diminishing dignity of you all.
Thank the reconsideration to Sir Christopher Hitchens, an intellectual
and a gentleman, he'll never know how much I admire, respect and thank
him for just existing and show the handling of idiocy and indifference
with such grace, wisdom and patience, a fine representation of what an
atheist should be.
Having said that, I want to say that yes I'm done with this newsgroup
since yes I have changed for good IMO, and you all stagnated and
remained the same, I don't need the help of a therapist, I can see the
indolence and the BS behind "morally superior" accusatory arguments
against me, I just failed to point them so. You all have demonstrated to
be not only indifferent but willingly stupid, disregarding my words
almost completely, just because the bunch of babies didn't got explained
things the way they wanted, but you expect full adaptation compliance to
whatever you write from me; it won't happen so anymore.
So I wish you all fair well and good luck, adios.
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 00:47:03 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> So I wish you all fair well and good luck, adios.
I wish you well as well. It's a shame you couldn't just leave it at
this, but had to resort to childish namecalling, but there it is.
Jim
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On 1/5/2015 9:47 PM, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> I have to apologize for my lose of temper, I could have said what I
> meant without retorting to insults and diminishing dignity of you all.
> Thank the reconsideration to Sir Christopher Hitchens, an intellectual
> and a gentleman, he'll never know how much I admire, respect and thank
> him for just existing and show the handling of idiocy and indifference
> with such grace, wisdom and patience, a fine representation of what an
> atheist should be.
>
> Having said that, I want to say that yes I'm done with this newsgroup
> since yes I have changed for good IMO, and you all stagnated and
> remained the same, I don't need the help of a therapist, I can see the
> indolence and the BS behind "morally superior" accusatory arguments
> against me, I just failed to point them so. You all have demonstrated to
> be not only indifferent but willingly stupid, disregarding my words
> almost completely, just because the bunch of babies didn't got explained
> things the way they wanted, but you expect full adaptation compliance to
> whatever you write from me; it won't happen so anymore.
>
> So I wish you all fair well and good luck, adios.
1. Human behavior cannot be changed, save in the sense that it can be
misdirected. The problem is, its been misdirected a bloody lot, for
thousands of years. But, the utopian nonsense people keep coming up
with, as solutions, don't work, because they ignore "deeper" aspects of
human nature, which are not changeable.
2. Resource based economies.. Sad thing is, this will always exist.
Someone has to dig up, or produce, those resources. Either the elite
will get rich from the, and the people actually providing the resources
get screwed, or the people with the resources become the elite. Its all
well and good to talk about solving this problem, but.. how?
3. The "obsolete" money system. The money system isn't the bloody
problem. All money systems are the same. Money is nothing more than just
variables, like the A in A + 1 = 3. Its a placeholder for value
**period**. Any money system, of any kind, will have the same flaws. The
morons that talk about returning to "gold standards", for example, fail
horribly to comprehend this. Its hardly a surprise that a utopian does too.
No, the problem isn't the "money system", which will, regardless of what
sort of supposed system you come up with, will fluctuate. The problem is
one of presumed minimum standards. The pure capitalists don't believe
there is such a thing. They want us all fighting over the last bone, so
that the one that gets it can stand on the side lines, chewing the bone,
and claiming, "I fought harder for it, so I deserve it." It doesn't
matter, since its not even part of their narrative, or mind set, to
admit to it, that they might have gotten it by accident, mischance, or
as a gift (by someone too foolish to realize what the top dog will do to
them, once they have the bone). Pure socialists, the sort that tried to
create the soviet state, etc., think that the solution its to hack the
bone to bits, until everyone gets slivers. So, everyone is fighting over
not even scraps.
Interestingly, the "socialists" that exist in the US, like Berny
Sanders, have a different view - lets the system do what ever it wants,
but only **after** you have made sure everyone gets adequate housing,
adequate food, adequate health care, and an acceptable education. The
numbers say that, in the long term, this would work. The problem, of
course, is that, in the short term, the bloody dogs have to stop
fighting to see who gets to keep the entire damn bone.
No, I don't think the grand project, with all its vague, hand wavy,
claims about what is wrong, and even more vague solutions, will do jack
to fix anything. It will either never happen, it will devolve into some
sort of dystopia, when reality collides with it, or, it will fail in
some other way. Because, there is no **plan**, its just a lot of, "If we
do something different, it will be different." And, every clown in
history with some such great vision has, in the end, found that they
just flat out missed things, whether it be their own failure to
understand their own bloody species, to a fundamental failure to
understand the real problems they gloss over, while hunting for their
paradise.
Not that I wouldn't love to see a real attempt, but even the attempt
itself creates and "us vs. them" situation, which, unless you plan to
somehow build on another bloody planet, will, just by itself, piss off a
lot of people, and create a host of problems that no one expected.
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Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Yes, people that actually use their brain and can be bother to care,
> obviously you and other don't.
Now you are just being an asshole.
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- Warp
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 10:41:30 -0500, Warp wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Yes, people that actually use their brain and can be bother to care,
>> obviously you and other don't.
>
> Now you are just being an asshole.
Wasn't just a case of "now". Apologising and insulting people at the
same time was just a new low.
Good riddance.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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