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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 03:28:53
Message: <5423c435$1@news.povray.org>
On 25-9-2014 5:50, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity most
>>>> to be feared
>>>
>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be feared.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>
> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
> god where different entities.
>
Well, you may not be wrong :-) In fact in some religions both are 
different aspects of the same entity.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 04:22:07
Message: <5423d0af@news.povray.org>
On 25/09/2014 08:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 25-9-2014 5:50, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity
>>>>> most
>>>>> to be feared
>>>>
>>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be
>>>> feared.
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>>
>> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
>> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
>> god where different entities.
>>
> Well, you may not be wrong :-) In fact in some religions both are
> different aspects of the same entity.
>

And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to 
tell the difference?


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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 07:05:53
Message: <5423f711$1@news.povray.org>
On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:
> On 25/09/2014 08:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 25-9-2014 5:50, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> to be feared
>>>>>
>>>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be
>>>>> feared.
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>>>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>>>
>>> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
>>> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
>>> god where different entities.
>>>
>> Well, you may not be wrong :-) In fact in some religions both are
>> different aspects of the same entity.
>>
>
> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
> tell the difference?
>
>
Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good 
from evil (what is good? what is evil?)

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 08:18:44
Message: <54240824$1@news.povray.org>
On 25/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:

>>
>> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
>> tell the difference?
>>
>>
> Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good
> from evil (what is good? what is evil?)
>
>
Deep thoughts Thomas.
Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 10:09:47
Message: <5424222b@news.povray.org>
On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
> On 25/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
>>> tell the difference?
>>>
>>>
>> Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good
>> from evil (what is good? what is evil?)
>>
>>
> Deep thoughts Thomas.
> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>
>
I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many 
devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 11:48:31
Message: <5424394f$1@news.povray.org>
On 25/09/2014 15:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
>> On 25/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
>>>> tell the difference?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good
>>> from evil (what is good? what is evil?)
>>>
>>>
>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>
>>
> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?
>
> Thomas
>
You don't catch me as easy as that.

Get thee behind me... ;-)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 15:13:42
Message: <54246966$1@news.povray.org>
Am 25.09.2014 05:50, schrieb Patrick Elliott:
> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity most
>>>> to be feared
>>>
>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be feared.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>
> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
> god where different entities.

Another thought about the God of the OT: If God exists, who says he 
can't learn from experience?

(Heck, when he originally made humans he "saw that it was good", only to 
later find that something had gone utterly wrong and that he had to 
press the Big Flood Reset Button - only to later find that this was such 
a horrible thing to do that he promised to never do it again - et cetera.)


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 15:15:42
Message: <542469de$1@news.povray.org>
Am 25.09.2014 16:09, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:

>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>
> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?

Less of course, because they'd bicker and fight...

... unless of course they pose as angels, in which case they have to 
stop the bickering and fighting for a while...


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 25 Sep 2014 15:18:36
Message: <54246a8c@news.povray.org>
Am 25.09.2014 21:13, schrieb clipka:

> Another thought about the God of the OT: If God exists, who says he
> can't learn from experience?

... and maybe sending His Only Begotten Son to die on the cross was to 
figure out what this "suffering" the humans kept complaining about was 
all about in the first place...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 03:09:55
Message: <54251143@news.povray.org>
On 25-9-2014 21:15, clipka wrote:
> Am 25.09.2014 16:09, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
>
>>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>>
>> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
>> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?
>
> Less of course, because they'd bicker and fight...
>
> ... unless of course they pose as angels, in which case they have to
> stop the bickering and fighting for a while...
>
Good. Good, Brother Christoph. Your level of casuistry is improving. 
However, the answer is correct but for the wrong reason...

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 03:11:36
Message: <542511a8$1@news.povray.org>
On 25-9-2014 17:48, Stephen wrote:
> On 25/09/2014 15:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 25/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be
>>>>> able to
>>>>> tell the difference?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good
>>>> from evil (what is good? what is evil?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
>> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
> You don't catch me as easy as that.
>
> Get thee behind me... ;-)
>
Evading the answer, Brother Stephen?

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 04:13:35
Message: <5425202f$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/2014 08:11, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Evading the answer, Brother Stephen?

First we will need to define a Devil.
Does a fallen angel take up more or less space than an angel who picked 
the right side?

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 04:48:53
Message: <54252860.80201@gmail.com>
On 26-9-2014 10:13, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/09/2014 08:11, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Evading the answer, Brother Stephen?
>
> First we will need to define a Devil.
> Does a fallen angel take up more or less space than an angel who picked
> the right side?
>

My guess is that in theory the number of devils on a pinhead is the same 
as for angels, but that in practice there is no time to collect them as 
they immediately fall from the pinhead.

-- 
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 05:23:22
Message: <5425308a$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/2014 09:48, andrel wrote:
> My guess is that in theory the number of devils on a pinhead is the same
> as for angels,

I am drawn to that conclusion. too

> but that in practice there is no time to collect them as
> they immediately fall from the pinhead.

That could be because Angels dance more sedately.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 07:09:50
Message: <5425497e$1@news.povray.org>
On 26-9-2014 11:23, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/09/2014 09:48, andrel wrote:
>> My guess is that in theory the number of devils on a pinhead is the same
>> as for angels,
>
> I am drawn to that conclusion. too
>
>> but that in practice there is no time to collect them as
>> they immediately fall from the pinhead.
>
> That could be because Angels dance more sedately.
>

Now, now my Brothers, you are evading the /real/ answer!

Brother Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 08:01:05
Message: <54255581$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/2014 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 26-9-2014 11:23, Stephen wrote:
>> On 26/09/2014 09:48, andrel wrote:
>>> My guess is that in theory the number of devils on a pinhead is the same
>>> as for angels,
>>
>> I am drawn to that conclusion. too
>>
>>> but that in practice there is no time to collect them as
>>> they immediately fall from the pinhead.
>>
>> That could be because Angels dance more sedately.
>>
>
> Now, now my Brothers, you are evading the /real/ answer!
>
> Brother Thomas

I don't want to be the one to say that Santa Claus does not...

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 08:17:02
Message: <5425593e$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2014-09-26 08:01, Stephen a écrit :
> On 26/09/2014 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 26-9-2014 11:23, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 26/09/2014 09:48, andrel wrote:
>>>> My guess is that in theory the number of devils on a pinhead is the
>>>> same
>>>> as for angels,
>>>
>>> I am drawn to that conclusion. too
>>>
>>>> but that in practice there is no time to collect them as
>>>> they immediately fall from the pinhead.
>>>
>>> That could be because Angels dance more sedately.
>>>
>>
>> Now, now my Brothers, you are evading the /real/ answer!
>>
>> Brother Thomas
>
> I don't want to be the one to say that Santa Claus does not...
>
Dude!  Spoilers should be called in the header!  Not cool!

*cries*

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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 08:23:06
Message: <54255A95.2030402@gmail.com>
On 26-9-2014 14:17, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Le 2014-09-26 08:01, Stephen a écrit :
>> On 26/09/2014 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 26-9-2014 11:23, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 26/09/2014 09:48, andrel wrote:
>>>>> My guess is that in theory the number of devils on a pinhead is the
>>>>> same
>>>>> as for angels,
>>>>
>>>> I am drawn to that conclusion. too
>>>>
>>>>> but that in practice there is no time to collect them as
>>>>> they immediately fall from the pinhead.
>>>>
>>>> That could be because Angels dance more sedately.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Now, now my Brothers, you are evading the /real/ answer!
>>>
>>> Brother Thomas
>>
>> I don't want to be the one to say that Santa Claus does not...
>>
> Dude!  Spoilers should be called in the header!  Not cool!
>
> *cries*
>

That Santa Claus does not drink beer is so well known that it is hardly 
a spoiler IMO.


-- 
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 09:05:14
Message: <5425648a$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/2014 13:17, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Le 2014-09-26 08:01, Stephen a écrit :

>> I don't want to be the one to say that Santa Claus does not...
>>
> Dude!  Spoilers should be called in the header!  Not cool!
>
> *cries*
>

Okay I was going to say:
Winters in Australia. It is New Zealand he goes to.
So there. You made me do it!

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 10:04:42
Message: <5425727a$1@news.povray.org>
On 26-9-2014 14:01, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/09/2014 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 26-9-2014 11:23, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 26/09/2014 09:48, andrel wrote:
>>>> My guess is that in theory the number of devils on a pinhead is the
>>>> same
>>>> as for angels,
>>>
>>> I am drawn to that conclusion. too
>>>
>>>> but that in practice there is no time to collect them as
>>>> they immediately fall from the pinhead.
>>>
>>> That could be because Angels dance more sedately.
>>>
>>
>> Now, now my Brothers, you are evading the /real/ answer!
>>
>> Brother Thomas
>
> I don't want to be the one to say that Santa Claus does not...
>

Order! Order!

Thomas

PS: This is fun!


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 10:11:42
Message: <5425741e$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/14 15:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
> Order! Order!
> 

Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please

John
-- 
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 11:24:53
Message: <54258545@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/2014 15:11, Doctor John wrote:
> On 26/09/14 15:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>> Order! Order!
>>
>
> Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please
>
> John
>

I thought it was your round. And either plain, salted or S & vinegar. SVP

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     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 11:39:07
Message: <5425889b$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/14 16:24, Stephen wrote:
> 
> I thought it was your round. And either plain, salted or S & vinegar. SVP
> 

Damn, I forgot to add: 'My friend will pay'.

John
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It was not given to you by your parents
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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 12:45:49
Message: <5425983d@news.povray.org>
Am 26.09.2014 16:04, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> Order! Order!

Me, I'll have a pan pizza Hawaii.

So with Doc and me having ordered, can we please go on with the show? :-P


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 12:48:40
Message: <542598e8$1@news.povray.org>
Am 26.09.2014 09:09, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 25-9-2014 21:15, clipka wrote:
>> Am 25.09.2014 16:09, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>>> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>>>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>>>
>>> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
>>> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?
>>
>> Less of course, because they'd bicker and fight...
>>
>> ... unless of course they pose as angels, in which case they have to
>> stop the bickering and fighting for a while...
>>
> Good. Good, Brother Christoph. Your level of casuistry is improving.
> However, the answer is correct but for the wrong reason...

Enlighten us then, O Father Thomas, for we knoweth not the answer!


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 12:55:21
Message: <54259a79$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/2014 16:39, Doctor John wrote:
> On 26/09/14 16:24, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> I thought it was your round. And either plain, salted or S & vinegar. SVP
>>
>
> Damn, I forgot to add: 'My friend will pay'.
>

You will pay for that mistake, my friend.


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 12:57:07
Message: <54259ae3$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/09/2014 17:48, clipka wrote:
>
> Enlighten us then, O Father Thomas, for we knoweth not the answer!

Groan! Don't get him started and watch the communion wine. :-)

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     Stephen


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 26 Sep 2014 23:19:09
Message: <54262cad$1@news.povray.org>
On 9/25/2014 12:18 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 25.09.2014 21:13, schrieb clipka:
>
>> Another thought about the God of the OT: If God exists, who says he
>> can't learn from experience?
>
> ... and maybe sending His Only Begotten Son to die on the cross was to
> figure out what this "suffering" the humans kept complaining about was
> all about in the first place...
>
Nah. Mr. Deity doesn't learn, like.. at all. lol Seriously though, he's 
what, decided to take the next more than 2,000 years off of doing, 
like.. anything at all, to contemplate this revelation?

-- 
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different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get 
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 03:23:16
Message: <542665e4$1@news.povray.org>
On 26-9-2014 18:45, clipka wrote:
> Am 26.09.2014 16:04, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> Order! Order!
>
> Me, I'll have a pan pizza Hawaii.
>
> So with Doc and me having ordered, can we please go on with the show? :-P
>

Are you being served?

Now just eat your crisps without noise please because people cannot hear 
the argument.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 03:30:41
Message: <542667a1$1@news.povray.org>
On 26-9-2014 18:57, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/09/2014 17:48, clipka wrote:
>>
>> Enlighten us then, O Father Thomas, for we knoweth not the answer!
>
> Groan! Don't get him started and watch the communion wine. :-)
>

[hiccup]
Now, where was I? You young novices tend to confuse me. Must be the new 
century... What is it XXIInd? I shall have to consult the ephemerides...

Well. You want to be enlightened and I will provide you with the answer 
which is simplicity itself.

[hiccup]

The answer is - obviously - that for ever demon on a pinhead there are 
three angels, three being the holy number as you already know from my 
teachings... Do you? I don't remember you from the scriptorium...

Father [hiccup] Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 04:47:56
Message: <542679bc@news.povray.org>
On 27/09/2014 08:22, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Are you being served?


I'm free!


I got in before DrJ ;-)

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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 06:28:40
Message: <54269158$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/09/2014 08:30, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 26-9-2014 18:57, Stephen wrote:
>> On 26/09/2014 17:48, clipka wrote:
>>>
>>> Enlighten us then, O Father Thomas, for we knoweth not the answer!
>>
>> Groan! Don't get him started and watch the communion wine. :-)
>>
>
> [hiccup]
> Now, where was I? You young novices tend to confuse me. Must be the new
> century... What is it XXIInd? I shall have to consult the ephemerides...
>
> Well. You want to be enlightened and I will provide you with the answer
> which is simplicity itself.
>
> [hiccup]
>
> The answer is - obviously - that for ever demon on a pinhead there are
> three angels, three being the holy number as you already know from my
> teachings... Do you? I don't remember you from the scriptorium...
>
> Father [hiccup] Thomas
>

I am beholden and belittled.


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 07:10:03
Message: <54269b0b@news.povray.org>
On 27-9-2014 12:28, Stephen wrote:
> On 27/09/2014 08:30, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 26-9-2014 18:57, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 26/09/2014 17:48, clipka wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Enlighten us then, O Father Thomas, for we knoweth not the answer!
>>>
>>> Groan! Don't get him started and watch the communion wine. :-)
>>>
>>
>> [hiccup]
>> Now, where was I? You young novices tend to confuse me. Must be the new
>> century... What is it XXIInd? I shall have to consult the ephemerides...
>>
>> Well. You want to be enlightened and I will provide you with the answer
>> which is simplicity itself.
>>
>> [hiccup]
>>
>> The answer is - obviously - that for ever demon on a pinhead there are
>> three angels, three being the holy number as you already know from my
>> teachings... Do you? I don't remember you from the scriptorium...
>>
>> Father [hiccup] Thomas
>>
>
> I am beholden and belittled.
>
>

Meek are the little children indeed, but that will pass and they will 
become ruffians and drunks!

Beware my son and apply yourself to the humble task of copying the 
sacred texts over and over again.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 08:51:58
Message: <5426b2ee$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/09/14 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
> Meek are the little children indeed, but that will pass and they will
> become ruffians and drunks!
> 
> Beware my son and apply yourself to the humble task of copying the
> sacred texts over and over again.
> 

<Noises off>
	Hammering on door
Doorman: Who's there?
Unknown voice: We are the Spanish Inquisition. Bring forth Father Thomas
with alacrity or it will be the worse for you.
</Noises off>

(Cardinal) John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 10:18:45
Message: <5426c745$1@news.povray.org>
On 27-9-2014 14:51, Doctor John wrote:
> On 27/09/14 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>> Meek are the little children indeed, but that will pass and they will
>> become ruffians and drunks!
>>
>> Beware my son and apply yourself to the humble task of copying the
>> sacred texts over and over again.
>>
>
> <Noises off>
> 	Hammering on door
> Doorman: Who's there?
> Unknown voice: We are the Spanish Inquisition. Bring forth Father Thomas
> with alacrity or it will be the worse for you.
> </Noises off>
>
> (Cardinal) John
>

Hurry! Hurry! The cask of Amontillado!

[confused noises; tearing of cloth]

[muffled voice] now close the lid, quick!

[hammering on door and lid resound through the crypt]


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 11:49:09
Message: <5426dc75$1@news.povray.org>
Am 27.09.2014 05:19, schrieb Patrick Elliott:
> On 9/25/2014 12:18 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 25.09.2014 21:13, schrieb clipka:
>>
>>> Another thought about the God of the OT: If God exists, who says he
>>> can't learn from experience?
>>
>> ... and maybe sending His Only Begotten Son to die on the cross was to
>> figure out what this "suffering" the humans kept complaining about was
>> all about in the first place...
>>
> Nah. Mr. Deity doesn't learn, like.. at all. lol Seriously though, he's
> what, decided to take the next more than 2,000 years off of doing,
> like.. anything at all, to contemplate this revelation?

Gathering more data on the phenomenon.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 12:36:42
Message: <5426e79a$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/09/14 15:18, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
> Hurry! Hurry! The cask of Amontillado!
> 
> [confused noises; tearing of cloth]
> 
> [muffled voice] now close the lid, quick!
> 
> [hammering on door and lid resound through the crypt]
> 

[Door splinters and crashes open to reveal Cardinal John surrounded by
variously sized persons dressed in white robes with a papal crest. Some
of the robes appear to be stained with blood]

Cardinal John: Ha! Brothers Stephen and Clipka, we meet again. Now where
is Father Thom...
[Brother Stephen appears to pointing towards the cask]
... Stop fidgeting, man. And, no, I don't want a glass of sherry.

John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 19:05:18
Message: <542742ae$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/09/2014 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Meek are the little children indeed, but that will pass and they will
> become ruffians and drunks!
>

Never! I am too humble to be a ruffian. <Wrings hands and grovels>

> Beware my son and apply yourself to the humble task of copying the
> sacred texts over and over again.

Humbly I go to do the 100 lines.

<aside> Life is hard at Dothemonks Hall.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 19:09:00
Message: <5427438c$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/09/2014 17:36, Doctor John wrote:
> .... Stop fidgeting, man. And, no, I don't want a glass of sherry.


You will take your dried frog pill, though?

You can have some lemonade to wash it down. And, there will be ice cream 
for afters.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 19:33:55
Message: <54274963$1@news.povray.org>
Am 28.09.2014 01:08, schrieb Stephen:
> On 27/09/2014 17:36, Doctor John wrote:
>> .... Stop fidgeting, man. And, no, I don't want a glass of sherry.
>
>
> You will take your dried frog pill, though?
>
> You can have some lemonade to wash it down. And, there will be ice cream
> for afters.

I recommend Kool-Aid.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 27 Sep 2014 19:46:15
Message: <54274c47$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/09/2014 00:33, clipka wrote:
> Am 28.09.2014 01:08, schrieb Stephen:
>> On 27/09/2014 17:36, Doctor John wrote:
>>> .... Stop fidgeting, man. And, no, I don't want a glass of sherry.
>>
>>
>> You will take your dried frog pill, though?
>>
>> You can have some lemonade to wash it down. And, there will be ice cream
>> for afters.
>
> I recommend Kool-Aid.
>

He gets over excited if he has too much sugar.
If you could just hold his attention by rattling your car keys. I have a 
big sack.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 03:33:38
Message: <5427b9d2$1@news.povray.org>
On 28-9-2014 1:46, Stephen wrote:
> On 28/09/2014 00:33, clipka wrote:
>> Am 28.09.2014 01:08, schrieb Stephen:
>>> On 27/09/2014 17:36, Doctor John wrote:
>>>> .... Stop fidgeting, man. And, no, I don't want a glass of sherry.
>>>
>>>
>>> You will take your dried frog pill, though?
>>>
>>> You can have some lemonade to wash it down. And, there will be ice cream
>>> for afters.
>>
>> I recommend Kool-Aid.
>>
>
> He gets over excited if he has too much sugar.
> If you could just hold his attention by rattling your car keys. I have a
> big sack.
>

[meanwhile in the cask, nose just above the Amontillado level, Father 
Thomas reflects on his sins and wonders what it is all about]


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 04:21:37
Message: <5427c511@news.povray.org>
On 28/09/14 08:33, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
> [meanwhile in the cask, nose just above the Amontillado level, Father
> Thomas reflects on his sins and wonders what it is all about]
> 
> 

Cardinal John: So, Brother Clipka, it seems you have nothing to say.
[gestures to the most evil-looking of his entourage] Bring in the IKEA
flat-pack furniture!

John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 06:13:26
Message: <5427df46$1@news.povray.org>
Am 28.09.2014 10:21, schrieb Doctor John:
> On 28/09/14 08:33, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>> [meanwhile in the cask, nose just above the Amontillado level, Father
>> Thomas reflects on his sins and wonders what it is all about]
>>
>>
>
> Cardinal John: So, Brother Clipka, it seems you have nothing to say.
> [gestures to the most evil-looking of his entourage] Bring in the IKEA
> flat-pack furniture!

A 3D puzzle? Great! I love puzzles!


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 07:15:46
Message: <5427ede2@news.povray.org>
On 28-9-2014 1:05, Stephen wrote:
> On 27/09/2014 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Meek are the little children indeed, but that will pass and they will
>> become ruffians and drunks!
>>
>
> Never! I am too humble to be a ruffian. <Wrings hands and grovels>
>
>> Beware my son and apply yourself to the humble task of copying the
>> sacred texts over and over again.
>
> Humbly I go to do the 100 lines.
>
> <aside> Life is hard at Dothemonks Hall.
>

[pats bowed shaven head with fat, beringed hand and waddles out of the door]


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 07:16:58
Message: <5427ee2a$1@news.povray.org>
On 28-9-2014 12:13, clipka wrote:
> Am 28.09.2014 10:21, schrieb Doctor John:
>> On 28/09/14 08:33, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>> [meanwhile in the cask, nose just above the Amontillado level, Father
>>> Thomas reflects on his sins and wonders what it is all about]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Cardinal John: So, Brother Clipka, it seems you have nothing to say.
>> [gestures to the most evil-looking of his entourage] Bring in the IKEA
>> flat-pack furniture!
>
> A 3D puzzle? Great! I love puzzles!
>

[meanwile: <gulp>]


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 08:58:46
Message: <54280606$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/09/2014 09:21, Doctor John wrote:
> On 28/09/14 08:33, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>> [meanwhile in the cask, nose just above the Amontillado level, Father
>> Thomas reflects on his sins and wonders what it is all about]
>>
>>
>
> Cardinal John: So, Brother Clipka, it seems you have nothing to say.
> [gestures to the most evil-looking of his entourage] Bring in the IKEA
> flat-pack furniture!
>
> John
>

My lord Cardinal. The queues at the most holy of warehouses, (Blessed be 
to the name of IM. [chants] Inventory Management) were beyond even my 
powers to avoid. Even with the holly sixpence you gave me for going.
There is nothing else but to use

The Frankie Howard joke book.

[Sotto voce and turns away] May God have mercy. Did you notice his 
sandal size?

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 09:06:14
Message: <542807c6$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/09/2014 12:15, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 28-9-2014 1:05, Stephen wrote:
>> On 27/09/2014 12:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> Meek are the little children indeed, but that will pass and they will
>>> become ruffians and drunks!
>>>
>>
>> Never! I am too humble to be a ruffian. <Wrings hands and grovels>
>>
>>> Beware my son and apply yourself to the humble task of copying the
>>> sacred texts over and over again.
>>
>> Humbly I go to do the 100 lines.
>>
>> <aside> Life is hard at Dothemonks Hall.
>>
>
> [pats bowed shaven head with fat, beringed hand and waddles out of the
> door]
>

Xyzzy

Damm! Nothing happened.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 10:50:51
Message: <5428204b@news.povray.org>
On 28/09/14 13:58, Stephen wrote:
> 
> My lord Cardinal. The queues at the most holy of warehouses, (Blessed be
> to the name of IM. [chants] Inventory Management) were beyond even my
> powers to avoid. Even with the holly sixpence you gave me for going.
> There is nothing else but to use
> 
> The Frankie Howard joke book.
> 
> [Sotto voce and turns away] May God have mercy. Did you notice his
> sandal size?
> 

So! I am surrounded by incompetents and idiots. Prepare the Cliff
Richards playlist... But first play 99 Red Balloons

Mwahhahhahhah!

John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Christian Fundamentalists in the USA - change of favorite enemy?
Date: 28 Sep 2014 11:38:46
Message: <54282b86$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/09/14 15:50, Doctor John wrote:
> 
> So! I am surrounded by incompetents and idiots. Prepare the Cliff
> Richards playlist... But first play 99 Red Balloons
> 
> Mwahhahhahhah!
> 
> John
> 

[A bubbling sound is heard from the cask. Also a faint hiccup}
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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