On 25-9-2014 5:50, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity most
>>>> to be feared
>>>
>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be feared.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>
> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
> god where different entities.
>
Well, you may not be wrong :-) In fact in some religions both are 
different aspects of the same entity.

Thomas

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On 25/09/2014 08:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 25-9-2014 5:50, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity
>>>>> most
>>>>> to be feared
>>>>
>>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be
>>>> feared.
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>>
>> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
>> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
>> god where different entities.
>>
> Well, you may not be wrong :-) In fact in some religions both are
> different aspects of the same entity.
>

And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to 
tell the difference?


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     Stephen

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On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:
> On 25/09/2014 08:28, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 25-9-2014 5:50, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> to be feared
>>>>>
>>>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be
>>>>> feared.
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>>>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>>>
>>> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
>>> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
>>> god where different entities.
>>>
>> Well, you may not be wrong :-) In fact in some religions both are
>> different aspects of the same entity.
>>
>
> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
> tell the difference?
>
>
Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good 
from evil (what is good? what is evil?)

Thomas

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On 25/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:

>>
>> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
>> tell the difference?
>>
>>
> Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good
> from evil (what is good? what is evil?)
>
>
Deep thoughts Thomas.
Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)


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Regards
     Stephen

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On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
> On 25/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
>>> tell the difference?
>>>
>>>
>> Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good
>> from evil (what is good? what is evil?)
>>
>>
> Deep thoughts Thomas.
> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>
>
I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many 
devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?

Thomas

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On 25/09/2014 15:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
>> On 25/09/2014 12:05, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 25-9-2014 10:22, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> And if the Devil conquered God and took his place. Who would be able to
>>>> tell the difference?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Indeed. A certain form of Manichaeism is essential to distinguish good
>>> from evil (what is good? what is evil?)
>>>
>>>
>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>
>>
> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?
>
> Thomas
>
You don't catch me as easy as that.

Get thee behind me... ;-)

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     Stephen

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Am 25.09.2014 05:50, schrieb Patrick Elliott:
> On 9/23/2014 7:57 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 23-9-2014 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2014 08:48, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is interesting. In Christian terms the devil being the entity most
>>>> to be feared
>>>
>>> In some parts of the Christian world it is God who is most to be feared.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Ah yes! The righteous, angry, vengeful, Old Testamentish God! I knew a
>> few of them who bowed and cringed under his baleful stare :-)
>>
> I have always contended that they got the old saying dead wrong. If
> there was a devil, his greatest trick was convincing people that he and
> god where different entities.

Another thought about the God of the OT: If God exists, who says he 
can't learn from experience?

(Heck, when he originally made humans he "saw that it was good", only to 
later find that something had gone utterly wrong and that he had to 
press the Big Flood Reset Button - only to later find that this was such 
a horrible thing to do that he promised to never do it again - et cetera.)

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Am 25.09.2014 16:09, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:

>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>
> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?

Less of course, because they'd bicker and fight...

... unless of course they pose as angels, in which case they have to 
stop the bickering and fighting for a while...

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Am 25.09.2014 21:13, schrieb clipka:

> Another thought about the God of the OT: If God exists, who says he
> can't learn from experience?

... and maybe sending His Only Begotten Son to die on the cross was to 
figure out what this "suffering" the humans kept complaining about was 
all about in the first place...

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On 25-9-2014 21:15, clipka wrote:
> Am 25.09.2014 16:09, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 25-9-2014 14:18, Stephen wrote:
>
>>> Deep thoughts Thomas.
>>> Next we will be counting angels on pinheads. ;-)
>>>
>> I would be even more fascinated by the question: Can there be as many
>> devils on a pinhead? or more? or less?
>
> Less of course, because they'd bicker and fight...
>
> ... unless of course they pose as angels, in which case they have to
> stop the bickering and fighting for a while...
>
Good. Good, Brother Christoph. Your level of casuistry is improving. 
However, the answer is correct but for the wrong reason...

Thomas

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