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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:25:36
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Am 13.09.2014 01:59, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:36:25 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>
>> yy yyyy running out implement yyy yyyy your number is 12 3456 new number
>> 012 3456 publish nation wide daily for a week: just fill out with zeros
>> to your left.
>> problem solved.
>
> Except that '0' as a phone number prefix has special meaning in various
> places around the world.
>
> If I start a call in the US here with "011" (actually, now I think of it,
> that may be a global thing), that means it's an international call.

It's not a global thing; the prefix to dial out to the world differs 
between countries. For instance, here in Germany (and actually quite a 
lot of other countries) it is "00". Hence the convention to write down 
international numbers with a "+" instead.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:54:51
Message: <5413b1fb$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:25:27 +0200, clipka wrote:

> Am 13.09.2014 01:59, schrieb Jim Henderson:
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:36:25 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>>
>>> yy yyyy running out implement yyy yyyy your number is 12 3456 new
>>> number 012 3456 publish nation wide daily for a week: just fill out
>>> with zeros to your left.
>>> problem solved.
>>
>> Except that '0' as a phone number prefix has special meaning in various
>> places around the world.
>>
>> If I start a call in the US here with "011" (actually, now I think of
>> it,
>> that may be a global thing), that means it's an international call.
> 
> It's not a global thing; the prefix to dial out to the world differs
> between countries. For instance, here in Germany (and actually quite a
> lot of other countries) it is "00". Hence the convention to write down
> international numbers with a "+" instead.

Thanks, I've not had occasion to dial from other countries very often. :)

Jim



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 23:05:22
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On 13/09/14 03:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I've not had occasion to dial from other countries very often. :)
> 
> Jim
> 
> 

 ... so call me and/or Stephen a little more often :-)

John
--------

Starts another game (using the Stephen Fry variation):

Pimlico (southbound platform)
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 23:12:15
Message: <5413b60f$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:04:57 +0100, Doctor John wrote:

> On 13/09/14 03:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, I've not had occasion to dial from other countries very often.
>> :)
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>  ... so call me and/or Stephen a little more often :-)

I'd still be dialing from the US. ;)  But I certainly wouldn't be opposed 
to doing a virtual get-together via a Google Hangout. :)

> John --------
> 
> Starts another game (using the Stephen Fry variation):
> 
> Pimlico (southbound platform)

Clever.  I see that you're starting a game of that game that we love so 
much, that game that has a long history of being played and loved by so 
many people around the world. ;)

Vauxhall Bridge Road (towards Trafalgar Square)

Jim



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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 10:36:15
Message: <5414565f$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/14 04:12, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> Clever.  I see that you're starting a game of that game that we love so 
> much, that game that has a long history of being played and loved by so 
> many people around the world. ;)
> 
> Vauxhall Bridge Road (towards Trafalgar Square)
> 
> Jim
> 

On the principle that you'd be insane to travel to Victoria (serious
disruptions due to ongoing reconstruction of the station), I assume
you'll have to turn off down Regency Street. Therefore: Oxford Circus

John
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You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 14:38:25
Message: <54148f21$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:35:49 +0100, Doctor John wrote:

> On 13/09/14 04:12, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> Clever.  I see that you're starting a game of that game that we love so
>> much, that game that has a long history of being played and loved by so
>> many people around the world. ;)
>> 
>> Vauxhall Bridge Road (towards Trafalgar Square)
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
> On the principle that you'd be insane to travel to Victoria (serious
> disruptions due to ongoing reconstruction of the station), I assume
> you'll have to turn off down Regency Street. Therefore: Oxford Circus

That makes sense.  After all, during the reconstruction, it's kinda 
difficult to get around anyways, and things may not be on time.

Which reminds me that I have a vague recollection of construction at 
Leicester Square when we were there a decade ago, so that's where I want 
to move to, just to see how it turned out.

Jim



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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 15:06:28
Message: <541495b4@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/2014 04:04, Doctor John wrote:
> Starts another game (using the Stephen Fry variation):

Unfortunately I must sit this one out on moral grounds.

Talking of which, I must gird my loins to defend the Uxbridge English 
Dictionary from a certain Latin spouting buffoon.

Twanker. What the present London mayor is called in
Yorkshire

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 15:55:41
Message: <5414a13d$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/14 20:06, Stephen wrote:
> 
> Talking of which, I must gird my loins to defend the Uxbridge English
> Dictionary from a certain Latin spouting buffoon.
> 

Are you in his putative constituency?

> Twanker. What the present London mayor is called in
> Yorkshire
> 

:-D

John
-- 
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 16:56:10
Message: <5414af6a$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/2014 20:55, Doctor John wrote:
> On 13/09/14 20:06, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> Talking of which, I must gird my loins to defend the Uxbridge English
>> Dictionary from a certain Latin spouting buffoon.
>>
>
> Are you in his putative constituency?
>

Dolendum sane est, quod sic.
Unfortunately, yes.


>> Twanker. What the present London mayor is called in
>> Yorkshire
>>
>
> :-D

Fancy a drinky poo?



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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 17:01:52
Message: <5414b0c0$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/2014 04:12, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:04:57 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
>

>> Pimlico (southbound platform)
>

I did not think that Jim would fall for that one. South of the river at 
this time of night.

> Clever.  I see that you're starting a game of that game that we love so
> much, that game that has a long history of being played and loved by so
> many people around the world. ;)
>

:-D

> Vauxhall Bridge Road (towards Trafalgar Square)
>

Good recovery, that man!
Watch for the diagonal, though.

PS I missed the whole of the last series. Been meaning to write.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 17:05:34
Message: <5414b19e$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/2014 03:14, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Well blame the Monetary System, promoter of all corruption,

I do, I do.

>  so, politics being the pit of corruption, shouldn't be a surprise
> politicians get corrupted.

Some are born corrupt, some achieve corruption, and some have corruption 
thrust upon them. ;-)

Never trust a man who wants power.

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     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 17:16:19
Message: <5414b423$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/14 21:56, Stephen wrote:
> 
> Fancy a drinky poo?
> 
> 

ATM I'm sipping a not-unpleasant Bunnahabhain 12-y-o. But, yes.
Unfortunately not until next week (post 20/09)

John (raising glass to Jim and Stephen)
-- 
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You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 17:42:00
Message: <5414ba28$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/2014 22:15, Doctor John wrote:
> On 13/09/14 21:56, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> Fancy a drinky poo?
>>
>>
>
> ATM I'm sipping a not-unpleasant Bunnahabhain 12-y-o. But, yes.
> Unfortunately not until next week (post 20/09)
>

That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
I might need consoling after the 19th.

> John (raising glass to Jim and Stephen)
>

Lordy you are posh.

Stephen raising his bottle of Grouse to all and sundry. ;-)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 18:31:10
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On 13/09/14 22:41, Stephen wrote:
> 
> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
> I might need consoling after the 19th.
> 

That's what we're here for.

>> John (raising glass to Jim and Stephen)
>>
> 
> Lordy you are posh.
> 
> Stephen raising his bottle of Grouse to all and sundry. ;-)
> 

To each his own

John
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You hold it in trust for your children


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 19:08:59
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Am 13.09.2014 23:41, schrieb Stephen:

> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
> I might need consoling after the 19th.

Just wondering: Would that be in the yes- or the no-case?

(I have a hunch, but I might be wrong of course.)

Mandatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 19:20:43
Message: <5414d14b@news.povray.org>
On 14/09/14 00:08, clipka wrote:
> Am 13.09.2014 23:41, schrieb Stephen:
> 
>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
> 
> Just wondering: Would that be in the yes- or the no-case?
> 
> (I have a hunch, but I might be wrong of course.)
> 
> Mandatory:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ
> 

I'm just guessing, Chris, but knowing Stephen personally I would say
he's a 'no' - we have an agreement not to discuss politics since he is a
bit further to the left than I am (and I'm by no means full-blooded
Conservative)

John
-- 
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 19:39:51
Message: <5414d5c7$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:01:49 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 13/09/2014 04:12, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 04:04:57 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Pimlico (southbound platform)
>>
>>
> I did not think that Jim would fall for that one. South of the river at
> this time of night.
> 
>> Clever.  I see that you're starting a game of that game that we love so
>> much, that game that has a long history of being played and loved by so
>> many people around the world. ;)
>>
>>
> :-D
> 
>> Vauxhall Bridge Road (towards Trafalgar Square)
>>
>>
> Good recovery, that man!
> Watch for the diagonal, though.

Oh, yeah, that's something to definitely keep an eye on. :)

> PS I missed the whole of the last series. Been meaning to write.

I think we can resolve that. :)

Jim



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 20:32:22
Message: <5414e216$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/09/2014 00:08, clipka wrote:
> Am 13.09.2014 23:41, schrieb Stephen:
>
>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
>
> Just wondering: Would that be in the yes- or the no-case?
>
> (I have a hunch, but I might be wrong of course.)
>

You, wrang ma loon?
Ne'er ;-)

> Mandatory:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ
>

I've seen it before and think that is very funny and very true.

This news clip was shot in Aberdeen when Siri was launched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EVnK-pNxaA

In some parts of Scotland they speak the purest English to be found. 
(Inverness-shire, I've also read that there is somewhere in Canada that 
does too.) But in other parts of Scotland the dialect is next to 
incomprehensible. I once spent an afternoon with a friend's old uncle in 
Aberdeen. I could make out one word in three.
My own accent is similar to the ones in the video you posted. So if we 
ever team up in ED with voice comms, beware! :-)
Or maybe not. Scots is a Germanic language.

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     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 21:46:42
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Am 14.09.2014 02:32, schrieb Stephen:
> On 14/09/2014 00:08, clipka wrote:
>> Am 13.09.2014 23:41, schrieb Stephen:
>>
>>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
>>
>> Just wondering: Would that be in the yes- or the no-case?
>>
>> (I have a hunch, but I might be wrong of course.)
>
> You, wrang ma loon?
> Ne'er ;-)

Me, personally, I think whether Scotland would be better off with a 
"yes" or "no" is immensely difficult to predict; and you know what the 
Danes say about predictions, especially when they pertain to the future. 
But I suspect that the rest of GB would fare better with a "no", while I 
as an outsider would certainly profit from a "yes" result, if only for 
the added entertainment :-)

> In some parts of Scotland they speak the purest English to be found.
> (Inverness-shire, I've also read that there is somewhere in Canada that
> does too.) But in other parts of Scotland the dialect is next to
> incomprehensible. I once spent an afternoon with a friend's old uncle in
> Aberdeen. I could make out one word in three.
> My own accent is similar to the ones in the video you posted. So if we
> ever team up in ED with voice comms, beware! :-)
> Or maybe not. Scots is a Germanic language.

I've been to the Glasgow, Edinburgh and Southern Uplands region once, 
and had no problems whatsoever understanding the people there. Including 
the guy I had to deal with on the first day, who was indeed wearing a 
kilt at work (and no, he was not in the tourist business, but the head 
of an IT department ;-)).

That same trip later led me to Middle England; it was late at night when 
I arrived, and I had to ask for the way, so I did. Well, the guy seemed 
sober enough, but I swear: I did not understand One. Single. Freakin'. 
Word. And I mean that literally.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 13 Sep 2014 22:18:36
Message: <5414fafc$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:41:56 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 13/09/2014 22:15, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 13/09/14 21:56, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>> Fancy a drinky poo?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ATM I'm sipping a not-unpleasant Bunnahabhain 12-y-o. But, yes.
>> Unfortunately not until next week (post 20/09)
>>
>>
> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
> I might need consoling after the 19th.

Hope everything's OK....

>> John (raising glass to Jim and Stephen)
>>
>>
> Lordy you are posh.
> 
> Stephen raising his bottle of Grouse to all and sundry. ;-)

Jim raising his bottle as well - currently just water with lemon, at 
least until the effects of the medication I started last week are known 
(for hypertension).

Jim
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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 14 Sep 2014 06:59:01
Message: <541574f5$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/2014 23:30, Doctor John wrote:
> On 13/09/14 22:41, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
>>
>
> That's what we're here for.
>

At least I can't be repatriated.

>>> John (raising glass to Jim and Stephen)
>>>
>>
>> Lordy you are posh.
>>
>> Stephen raising his bottle of Grouse to all and sundry. ;-)
>>
>
> To each his own
>
That's right. You use a glass and if I can't find a jam jar. I'll use 
the bottle. :-)


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 14 Sep 2014 07:35:40
Message: <54157d8c@news.povray.org>
On 14/09/2014 02:46, clipka wrote:
> Am 14.09.2014 02:32, schrieb Stephen:
>> On 14/09/2014 00:08, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 13.09.2014 23:41, schrieb Stephen:
>>>
>>>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>>>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
>>>
>>> Just wondering: Would that be in the yes- or the no-case?
>>>
>>> (I have a hunch, but I might be wrong of course.)
>>
>> You, wrang ma loon?
>> Ne'er ;-)
>

Sorry.I'll write that in English.
You, wrong young man.
Never. <wink)

> Me, personally, I think whether Scotland would be better off with a
> "yes" or "no" is immensely difficult to predict;

That does not stop people from being positive in their ideas.

>and you know what the
> Danes say about predictions, especially when they pertain to the future.

No I don't? I know what they say about bad weather.
There is no bad weather only bad clothing.

> But I suspect that the rest of GB would fare better with a "no", while I
> as an outsider would certainly profit from a "yes" result, if only for
> the added entertainment :-)
>

I'll throw a German word back to you.
Schadenfreude. :-P


> I've been to the Glasgow, Edinburgh and Southern Uplands region once,
> and had no problems whatsoever understanding the people there.

That's what I would expect. The North East of Scotland is more 
influenced by the Scandinavians who often came "first footing" ;-)

> Including
> the guy I had to deal with on the first day, who was indeed wearing a
> kilt at work (and no, he was not in the tourist business, but the head
> of an IT department ;-)).
>

Ah! the kilt. That well known symbol of lowland and upland dress. </irony>

> That same trip later led me to Middle England;

You probably mean the Midlands. "Middle England" is not geographical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_England

> it was late at night when
> I arrived, and I had to ask for the way, so I did. Well, the guy seemed
> sober enough, but I swear: I did not understand One. Single. Freakin'.
> Word. And I mean that literally.
>
I believe you. The Birmingham accent has now beaten Glaswegian into 
second place for incomprehensibility to Southerners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brummie#Stereotypes

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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 14 Sep 2014 07:45:45
Message: <54157fe9$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/09/2014 03:18, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:41:56 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>

>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
>
> Hope everything's OK....
>

It won't be for half the country, either way.

Indyref.


>> Stephen raising his bottle of Grouse to all and sundry. ;-)
>
> Jim raising his bottle as well - currently just water with lemon, at
> least until the effects of the medication I started last week are known
> (for hypertension).
>

Not too high, I hope.

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     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 14 Sep 2014 11:03:13
Message: <5415ae31$1@news.povray.org>
Am 14.09.2014 13:35, schrieb Stephen:
> On 14/09/2014 02:46, clipka wrote:
>> Am 14.09.2014 02:32, schrieb Stephen:
>>> On 14/09/2014 00:08, clipka wrote:
>>>> Am 13.09.2014 23:41, schrieb Stephen:
>>>>
>>>>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>>>>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering: Would that be in the yes- or the no-case?
>>>>
>>>> (I have a hunch, but I might be wrong of course.)
>>>
>>> You, wrang ma loon?
>>> Ne'er ;-)
>>
>
> Sorry.I'll write that in English.

No need to; I got that (after, admittedly, having to look up "loon" to 
be sure it means what I thought it meant) :)


>> Me, personally, I think whether Scotland would be better off with a
>> "yes" or "no" is immensely difficult to predict;
>
> That does not stop people from being positive in their ideas.
>
>> and you know what the
>> Danes say about predictions, especially when they pertain to the future.
>
> No I don't? I know what they say about bad weather.
> There is no bad weather only bad clothing.

There's an old Danish saying (wrongfully attributed to Niels Bohr, Mark 
Twain and a few others) to be careful about predictions, /especially/ 
when they involve the future.

>> But I suspect that the rest of GB would fare better with a "no", while I
>> as an outsider would certainly profit from a "yes" result, if only for
>> the added entertainment :-)
>
> I'll throw a German word back to you.
> Schadenfreude. :-P

Yup, guilty as charged. Mostly concerning the rest of GB though. Will 
they continue to call themselves "Great Britain"(*)? The "United 
Kingdom" will probably no longer be so united, will it? How about the 
Union Jack, I guess they'll have to deconstruct it. Will they have to 
place guards at the Scottish border? Dismantle their nuclear arsenal? 
And so on.

Of course there are equally interesting questions regarding Scotland, 
especially relating to the EU and the Euro, but they're more of the 
suspense kind, rather than laden with Schadenfreude. To the contrary - 
I'd love to see an independent thriving Scotland teach the rest of GB a 
lesson.

(*) How about "Rump Great Britain" - that would make it "RGB" :-)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 14 Sep 2014 13:48:37
Message: <5415d4f5$1@news.povray.org>
On 14/09/2014 16:03, clipka wrote:
> There's an old Danish saying (wrongfully attributed to Niels Bohr, Mark
> Twain and a few others) to be careful about predictions, /especially/
> when they involve the future.
>

Now I now.

>>
>> I'll throw a German word back to you.
>> Schadenfreude. :-P
>
> Yup, guilty as charged. Mostly concerning the rest of GB though. Will
> they continue to call themselves "Great Britain"(*)?

I don't see how they can. "Great" in this sense means greater. Britain 
is the Roman occupied Britannia.

> The "United
> Kingdom" will probably no longer be so united, will it?

Never really was. Wales and Ireland were conquered by England.
Since we would have the same monarch it could still  be called UK United 
Kingdom.

> How about the Union Jack,

The Union Flag is its proper name and that would not fit.

> I guess they'll have to deconstruct it.

There has been talk about that.

> Will they have to
> place guards at the Scottish border?

Depends if Scotland has to sign the Schengen agreement if it gets to 
join the EU.

> Dismantle their nuclear arsenal?

Now that is something the SNP want. A nuclear free Scotland.
It will be interesting to watch. BTW we use "Schadenfreude" as well. :-)

> And so on.
>
> Of course there are equally interesting questions regarding Scotland,
> especially relating to the EU and the Euro, but they're more of the
> suspense kind, rather than laden with Schadenfreude. To the contrary -
> I'd love to see an independent thriving Scotland teach the rest of GB a
> lesson.
>
Yeah! Just like the Free State of Ireland did.

> (*) How about "Rump Great Britain" - that would make it "RGB" :-)

In Scotland we never put Green and Blue together. A religious sectarian 
joke.

It may not interest anyone to know. All four of my grandparents were 
from different countries of the UK. Yip! I'm a True Brit.

-- 

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     Stephen


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 15 Sep 2014 03:04:34
Message: <54168f82$1@news.povray.org>
> yy yyyy running out
> implement yyy yyyy
> your number is 12 3456
> new number 012 3456

Sure, if you are allowed to change existing numbers you have endless 
possibilities. Generally that's avoided though.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 15 Sep 2014 03:05:12
Message: <54168fa8$1@news.povray.org>
> There is a default wait time on phones, where the system decides that
> you've finished dialing, it's about 2-3 seconds, no modification at all
> could be the solution.

I'm pretty sure the UK system has no such concept, you can dial as slow 
or fast as you like (within reason) and as soon as you hit the last 
digit it connects and rings.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 15 Sep 2014 03:12:40
Message: <54169168$1@news.povray.org>
> Hence the convention to write down
> international numbers with a "+" instead.

You can also store numbers in your mobile phone with the "+" prefix, 
that way it will work wherever you are.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 15 Sep 2014 14:20:13
Message: <54172ddd$1@news.povray.org>
Am 15.09.2014 09:12, schrieb scott:
>> Hence the convention to write down
>> international numbers with a "+" instead.
>
> You can also store numbers in your mobile phone with the "+" prefix,
> that way it will work wherever you are.

It's actually highly recommended to do it this way.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 15 Sep 2014 17:42:14
Message: <54175d36$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:45:41 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 14/09/2014 03:18, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:41:56 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> That's fine by me. I'm taking time off ATM.
>>> I might need consoling after the 19th.
>>
>> Hope everything's OK....
>>
>>
> It won't be for half the country, either way.
> 
> Indyref.

Ah, right, I somehow wasn't even thinking about that. ;)

>>> Stephen raising his bottle of Grouse to all and sundry. ;-)
>>
>> Jim raising his bottle as well - currently just water with lemon, at
>> least until the effects of the medication I started last week are known
>> (for hypertension).
>>
>>
> Not too high, I hope.

Actually, quite high.  But it's a lot better now, and the meds are 
helping.

Jim

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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 14:17:43
Message: <541c7347$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:38:25 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:35:49 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
> 
>> On 13/09/14 04:12, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> 
>>> Clever.  I see that you're starting a game of that game that we love
>>> so much, that game that has a long history of being played and loved
>>> by so many people around the world. ;)
>>> 
>>> Vauxhall Bridge Road (towards Trafalgar Square)
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>> On the principle that you'd be insane to travel to Victoria (serious
>> disruptions due to ongoing reconstruction of the station), I assume
>> you'll have to turn off down Regency Street. Therefore: Oxford Circus
> 
> That makes sense.  After all, during the reconstruction, it's kinda
> difficult to get around anyways, and things may not be on time.
> 
> Which reminds me that I have a vague recollection of construction at
> Leicester Square when we were there a decade ago, so that's where I want
> to move to, just to see how it turned out.

*buzz*  Hesitation!

Jim



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 15:12:38
Message: <541c8026@news.povray.org>
On 19/09/2014 19:17, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:38:25 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:35:49 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/09/14 04:12, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Clever.  I see that you're starting a game of that game that we love
>>>> so much, that game that has a long history of being played and loved
>>>> by so many people around the world. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Vauxhall Bridge Road (towards Trafalgar Square)
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>> On the principle that you'd be insane to travel to Victoria (serious
>>> disruptions due to ongoing reconstruction of the station), I assume
>>> you'll have to turn off down Regency Street. Therefore: Oxford Circus
>>
>> That makes sense.  After all, during the reconstruction, it's kinda
>> difficult to get around anyways, and things may not be on time.
>>
>> Which reminds me that I have a vague recollection of construction at
>> Leicester Square when we were there a decade ago, so that's where I want
>> to move to, just to see how it turned out.
>
> *buzz*  Hesitation!
>
Sorry James, I know that you are a veteran of this game that is played 
not only here but in many planets throughout the Galaxy. But under the 
S.F. pretentious goal bird rules. The almost good doctor is allowed time 
to recover from the nasty surprise that Sven delivered. And do have 
respect for this aged veteran of many, many years.

:-P


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 16:06:10
Message: <541c8cb2@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:12:35 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> Sorry James, I know that you are a veteran of this game that is played
> not only here but in many planets throughout the Galaxy. But under the
> S.F. pretentious goal bird rules. The almost good doctor is allowed time
> to recover from the nasty surprise that Sven delivered. And do have
> respect for this aged veteran of many, many years.
> 
> :-P

But Stephen - as a long-standing veteran of the game with many years 
experience playing it, even after a day stuck in bed due to illness, I 
had fully expected the good Doctor John to have returned and elucidated 
where his next move would be.  With all due respect to the other veterans 
of the game, what with the many decades of experience between the entire 
group of us, even a surprise from Sven might have caused such an 
experienced player to have moved a little more quickly on to the next 
station, even if it was across the diagonal.

:P



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 16:44:00
Message: <541c9590$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/09/14 21:06, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> But Stephen - as a long-standing veteran of the game with many years 
> experience playing it, even after a day stuck in bed due to illness, I 
> had fully expected the good Doctor John to have returned and elucidated 
> where his next move would be.  With all due respect to the other veterans 
> of the game, what with the many decades of experience between the entire 
> group of us, even a surprise from Sven might have caused such an 
> experienced player to have moved a little more quickly on to the next 
> station, even if it was across the diagonal.
> 

Sorry, RL intervened. So, keeping it topical:
Scotland Yard (bus stop on Whitehall - RMT and ASLEF are on strike)
-- 
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 16:52:36
Message: <541c9794$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/09/2014 21:06, Jim Henderson wrote:
> But Stephen - as a long-standing veteran of the game with many years
> experience playing it, even after a day stuck in bed due to illness, I
> had fully expected the good Doctor John to have returned and elucidated
> where his next move would be.  With all due respect to the other veterans
> of the game, what with the many decades of experience between the entire
> group of us, even a surprise from Sven might have caused such an
> experienced player to have moved a little more quickly on to the next
> station, even if it was across the diagonal.

Samantha, who is sitting on my right hand, is near fainting in 
anticipation of a move. And we must take her points into account as she 
is abreast of the score.
Hmm!
The play is reversed and the goodish doctor forfeits his turn as one bad 
turn deserves another. Throw the dice again.


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 16:53:56
Message: <541c97e4$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/09/2014 21:52, Stephen wrote:
> The play is reversed and the goodish doctor forfeits his turn as one bad
> turn deserves another. Throw the dice again.

Our scorer forgives and James is in Huff.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 17:59:14
Message: <541ca732$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:53:54 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 19/09/2014 21:52, Stephen wrote:
>> The play is reversed and the goodish doctor forfeits his turn as one
>> bad turn deserves another. Throw the dice again.
> 
> Our scorer forgives and James is in Huff.

Foo.

And I hope the RL stuff isn't too serious, John.

I guess that means it's your go again, Stephen. :)

Jim



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 18:03:58
Message: <541ca84e$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/09/14 21:53, Stephen wrote:
> On 19/09/2014 21:52, Stephen wrote:
>> The play is reversed and the goodish doctor forfeits his turn as one bad
>> turn deserves another. Throw the dice again.
> 
> Our scorer forgives and James is in Huff.
> 

I take advantage of James's temporary indisposition and head for:
Goodge Street.

John
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 19 Sep 2014 18:12:31
Message: <541caa4f$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/09/14 22:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> And I hope the RL stuff isn't too serious, John.
> 

No. Just work-related sh*t. Had to rewrite a complete Justification of
Resources before the dead-line (today at midday).
Left work early and took the Feegle to the park with his best friend
Ellie this afternoon.

John
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Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 20 Sep 2014 08:47:22
Message: <541d775a$1@news.povray.org>
OK conformist, you wouldn't want to burst your own perfectly controlled 
bubble you live in, right?


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 20 Sep 2014 08:55:00
Message: <541d7924@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> Never trust a man who wants power.

Actually everyone wants it, to have more "control" over their lives, the 
Monetary System only gives you as much control as the money you have, 
and since nobody gives away money in the amounts we'd want to, we all 
want more money/power. So it's not the power but the use of it, and it 
should be taken as it is, a tool, like a hammer, you build something 
with it and then you live it the fuck alone.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 20 Sep 2014 09:09:37
Message: <541d7c91$1@news.povray.org>
On 20/09/2014 13:54, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> Never trust a man who wants power.
>
> Actually everyone wants it, to have more "control" over their lives, the
> Monetary System only gives you as much control as the money you have,
> and since nobody gives away money in the amounts we'd want to, we all
> want more money/power. So it's not the power but the use of it, and it
> should be taken as it is, a tool, like a hammer, you build something
> with it and then you live it the fuck alone.

I meant power over others. I thought that was implicit.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 20 Sep 2014 15:06:17
Message: <541dd029$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:12:16 +0100, Doctor John wrote:

> On 19/09/14 22:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> And I hope the RL stuff isn't too serious, John.
>> 
>> 
> No. Just work-related sh*t. Had to rewrite a complete Justification of
> Resources before the dead-line (today at midday).

Ah, OK - I know that feeling. :)

> Left work early and took the Feegle to the park with his best friend
> Ellie this afternoon.

Fun!

Jim





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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 20 Sep 2014 17:41:23
Message: <541df483$1@news.povray.org>
On 20/09/14 20:06, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:12:16 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
> 
>> On 19/09/14 22:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>> And I hope the RL stuff isn't too serious, John.
>>>
>>>
>> No. Just work-related sh*t. Had to rewrite a complete Justification of
>> Resources before the dead-line (today at midday).
> 
> Ah, OK - I know that feeling. :)
> 

With a bit of luck, I'll get what we need. I've over-estimated by 25%
and expect the Powers That Be to cut me by 20%. Guess who wins :-)

>> Left work early and took the Feegle to the park with his best friend
>> Ellie this afternoon.
> 
> Fun!
> 

Yup! Lots of running around for the kids and lots of sitting around,
chatting and sipping wine and nibbling things for the parents. (as you
might have guessed we were not alone)

John
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 20 Sep 2014 19:08:22
Message: <541e08e6$1@news.povray.org>
It is, you can hardly have power over other without power over money or 
vice-versa


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 21 Sep 2014 01:11:24
Message: <541e5dfc$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:41:09 +0100, Doctor John wrote:

> On 20/09/14 20:06, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:12:16 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
>> 
>>> On 19/09/14 22:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And I hope the RL stuff isn't too serious, John.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No. Just work-related sh*t. Had to rewrite a complete Justification of
>>> Resources before the dead-line (today at midday).
>> 
>> Ah, OK - I know that feeling. :)
>> 
>> 
> With a bit of luck, I'll get what we need. I've over-estimated by 25%
> and expect the Powers That Be to cut me by 20%. Guess who wins :-)

That's the way to do estimation - I learned quite quickly that weighted 
best case/worst case/likely case averages are pretty effective, because 
it tends to err on the side of caution.

>>> Left work early and took the Feegle to the park with his best friend
>>> Ellie this afternoon.
>> 
>> Fun!
>> 
>> 
> Yup! Lots of running around for the kids and lots of sitting around,
> chatting and sipping wine and nibbling things for the parents. (as you
> might have guessed we were not alone)

We've had quite the day here - our son K took a job working the front 
desk in our apartment building, and he arrived early this afternoon.  
We've been showing him around town today, just got back from seeing 
Guardians of the Galaxy a second time (for us - he hadn't seen it before).

Jim





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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 9 Oct 2014 11:20:11
Message: <5436a7ab$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:03:43 +0100, Doctor John wrote:

> On 19/09/14 21:53, Stephen wrote:
>> On 19/09/2014 21:52, Stephen wrote:
>>> The play is reversed and the goodish doctor forfeits his turn as one
>>> bad turn deserves another. Throw the dice again.
>> 
>> Our scorer forgives and James is in Huff.
>> 
>> 
> I take advantage of James's temporary indisposition and head for:
> Goodge Street.
> 
> John

*buzz* Hesitation from Stephen.

So I guess Stephen's in huff.

Wimbledon.

Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 9 Oct 2014 12:42:27
Message: <5436baf3@news.povray.org>
On 09/10/2014 16:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:03:43 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
>
>> On 19/09/14 21:53, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 19/09/2014 21:52, Stephen wrote:
>>>> The play is reversed and the goodish doctor forfeits his turn as one
>>>> bad turn deserves another. Throw the dice again.
>>>
>>> Our scorer forgives and James is in Huff.
>>>
>>>
>> I take advantage of James's temporary indisposition and head for:
>> Goodge Street.
>>
>> John
>
> *buzz* Hesitation from Stephen.
>
> So I guess Stephen's in huff.
>

I said at the beginning that I would not sully myself Stephen <clearing 
throat sound> Fry, rules.


> Wimbledon.
>

A brave move but it just might just give you an advantage.



-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 10 Oct 2014 02:56:04
Message: <54378304@news.povray.org>
On 09/10/14 17:42, Stephen wrote:
> On 09/10/2014 16:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Wimbledon.
>>
> 
> A brave move but it just might just give you an advantage.
> 

<The feegle wakes up early, sees game in progress and seizes dice>
One, two, thlee, many! <Moves Pappi's marker to M*rningt*n Crescent,
whilst accidentally kicking Jim's marker under the bed> Goal! I winned!

John (on behalf of His Royal Feegleness)
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 10 Oct 2014 23:28:17
Message: <5438a3d1$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:56:02 +0100, Doctor John wrote:

> On 09/10/14 17:42, Stephen wrote:
>> On 09/10/2014 16:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Wimbledon.
>>>
>>>
>> A brave move but it just might just give you an advantage.
>> 
>> 
> <The feegle wakes up early, sees game in progress and seizes dice> One,
> two, thlee, many! <Moves Pappi's marker to M*rningt*n Crescent, whilst
> accidentally kicking Jim's marker under the bed> Goal! I winned!
> 
> John (on behalf of His Royal Feegleness)

Bugger!  Beaten by the Feegle!

Well played!

Jim



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besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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