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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 02:54:10
Message: <54129892@news.povray.org>
The probably my analog backup idea is a bad 1. Yes, more sensical system 
is better.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 06:18:57
Message: <5412c891$1@news.povray.org>
> Well since my number set is bigger I don't see a problem everyone
> keeping their numbers, anyway looks efficient enough.

How can you have people keeping their existing numbers whilst adding 
more digits? If you have some people with 6 digit numbers and others 
with 8 digit, how does the system know whether to connect or not after 
the 6th digit?


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 08:29:24
Message: <5412e724$1@news.povray.org>
Le 12/09/2014 12:18, scott a écrit :
>> Well since my number set is bigger I don't see a problem everyone
>> keeping their numbers, anyway looks efficient enough.
> 
> How can you have people keeping their existing numbers whilst adding
> more digits? If you have some people with 6 digit numbers and others
> with 8 digit, how does the system know whether to connect or not after
> the 6th digit?

The same way we have here "short" number: dedicates a heading digit for
them.

As long as all the 6 digits numbers do not cover the whole tree, and in
particular, a first digit is still unused, you can make such scheme:

 all numbers starting with 1 to 5 have 6 digits.
 all numbers starting with 6 have 8 digits.
 all numbers starting with 7 have at least 9 digits.
 numbers starting with 73 have 10 digits.
 numbers starting with 74 have 11 digits, unless its 745 which have 12
digits.

Here (France), it's 10/9 digits. (sort of)
Locally, it's 10 digits: first is for choice of carrier by caller, then
it's the international number of 9 digits.

But, number starting with 1 (as the carrier) are in fact urgency/utility
number (police, fireman, and so on), and are 2 or 3 digits at most.
(including the European 112, but fireman is on 18, medical on 15 and
police on 17))
well, 118xyz is the privatized look-up system (previously 12)), so you
can pay more for a previously free service.

Number starting with 3 are short numbers for TV/radio/and other
commercial. (4 or 5 digits)

Number starting with 0, 4, 7, 8, 9 are carrier's choice by caller.
(well 0 is just: use default operator, not a dedicated operator)
So far, 2,5,6 are back in the pool.

Assuming you are not starting with 1, 2, 3, 5 or 6, the second number
lead to:
1 to 5: geographical mapping
6 & 7 : mobile phone
8 : variously taxed number (0800 is free, 08x.. might cost you 200€ per
call or more, even for 1 minute)
9 : land line, not geographically mapped (most ADSL/voip phone-box).
0 : international call (followed by country code and international number)

Well... last catcha, 16XY is an extension made allow to choose between
more carriers (XY being the identifier of the carrier).

So, if you are playful, you can actually dial 13 digits to reach your
neighbour. (4 of 16XY, and 9 of the actual line that an Australian would
have dialed too).

See, from 2 digits down to 13, without crossing a border.

-- 
Just because nobody complains does not mean all parachutes are perfect.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 10:59:03
Message: <54130a37$1@news.povray.org>
>> How can you have people keeping their existing numbers whilst adding
>> more digits? If you have some people with 6 digit numbers and others
>> with 8 digit, how does the system know whether to connect or not after
>> the 6th digit?
>
> The same way we have here "short" number: dedicates a heading digit for
> them.
>
> As long as all the 6 digits numbers do not cover the whole tree, and in
> particular, a first digit is still unused, you can make such scheme:

Of course if you've designed the system that way from the start, but if 
you're in a city that's about to run out of fixed-length numbers, there 
won't be any large chunks of the tree left to use as a header for long 
numbers.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 12:41:37
Message: <54132241$1@news.povray.org>
On 12/09/2014 07:47, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>
>   Public services IMO shouldn't be private matters, should be paid,
> administrated and decide by the public, politicians aren't the oracle of
> truth, just an administration instrument with a contributing perspective.

I agree and I don't agree. :-)

Politicians aren't the oracle of truth, they are all devotes of Belial. 
The Lord of lies.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 13:36:16
Message: <54132f10$1@news.povray.org>
yy yyyy running out
implement yyy yyyy
your number is 12 3456
new number 012 3456
publish nation wide daily for a week: just fill out with zeros to your left.
problem solved.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 19:59:41
Message: <541388ed$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:36:25 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> yy yyyy running out implement yyy yyyy your number is 12 3456 new number
> 012 3456 publish nation wide daily for a week: just fill out with zeros
> to your left.
> problem solved.

Except that '0' as a phone number prefix has special meaning in various 
places around the world.

If I start a call in the US here with "011" (actually, now I think of it, 
that may be a global thing), that means it's an international call.

Jim

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:07:52
Message: <5413a6f8@news.povray.org>
There is a default wait time on phones, where the system decides that 
you've finished dialing, it's about 2-3 seconds, no modification at all 
could be the solution.


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:14:09
Message: <5413a871$1@news.povray.org>
Well blame the Monetary System, promoter of all corruption, that's why I 
advocate for TheVenusProject.con and TheZeitgeistMovement.com promoting 
a scientific alternative economy, kinda of ideal but moving towards it 
could start solving many problems. Learning and watching videos in 
YouTube about it have enlighten me a lot about politics and corruption, 
it's not mostly people, but the environment, if you're in the pit of 
corruption, or the cleanest most ethical place on Earth it doesn't 
matter, the non-written evolutionary law is the same: adapt or die; so, 
politics being the pit of corruption, shouldn't be a surprise 
politicians get corrupted.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Really?
Date: 12 Sep 2014 22:15:02
Message: <5413a8a6$1@news.povray.org>
On 13/09/14 00:59, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:36:25 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> 
>> yy yyyy running out implement yyy yyyy your number is 12 3456 new number
>> 012 3456 publish nation wide daily for a week: just fill out with zeros
>> to your left.
>> problem solved.
> 
> Except that '0' as a phone number prefix has special meaning in various 
> places around the world.
> 
> If I start a call in the US here with "011" (actually, now I think of it, 
> that may be a global thing), that means it's an international call.
> 
> Jim
> 

BTW Saul seems to have changed his position. His original idea was a
suffix, now it's a prefix.

John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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