> In spite of actually having expired documentation with the correct name
> on it, neither state would issue her a correct driver's license.

We have similar things in the EU. Any driving license from one EU 
country is valid in another automatically without have to apply for a 
local one (unless it has expired). The problem is in the UK the license 
has your address printed on it. So when I moved to Germany I called the 
DVLA (the UK driving license office) and told them I needed to change 
the address on my driving license. "Oh no you can't put a non-UK address 
on it - don't you know anyone in the UK that can forward your mail to 
you, you can use their address." This kind of defeats the whole point of 
not having to apply for a new license.

Anyway I put my mum's address on there, but then when it came to renew 
it I followed the correct procedure of going to the local "Rathaus" in 
my town to apply for a German license. It turned out that nobody there 
knew how to deal with converting a UK license to a German one, they even 
suggested I needed to take a test! In the end I just got another UK one, 
which had the added advantage that I couldn't get any points on my 
license :-)

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Yep.  My theory is that they're losing, and they know it - so they're 
> fighting harder.  It's only a matter of time, but until they have finally 
> "lost" (which generally means that they get treated like everyone else 
> rather than being treated "specially"), we're going to have a lot of this 
> kind of nonsense going on.

I find it somewhat ironic that for those American Christians "losing"
means becoming a sensible free modern society with equal rights that
cares about the wellbeing of its citizens...

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                                                          - Warp

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James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> <rant>
> Got this email last week about a position I had applied for back in
> early May ... stated "Please contact me ASAP if you're still interested
> in this position". Evidently the person that was hired wasn't working
> out. Replied ... "Sure I'm still available and I would be glad to meet
> with you at your convenience". The next day as I was heading home from
> helping brother-in-law clean up two storm fallen trees, I get a call on
> my cell asking if I could come in right away for an interview. I
> indicated that I'd needed to get home first and get cleaned up. His
> response ... "We're very informal here so come on ahead". I thought how
> odd, but I was there within a half hour ... wait it get's stranger.
> Before I'd even finished introductions (hand shaking etc) he told me
> that he wasn't even going to bother with technical aspects of interview.
> He added that he was ex US Navy and had gone through the same
> electronics training that I had and that my credentials weren't going to
> be an issue. We swapped Navy stories for about 45 minutes, then started
> a tour of shop area ... then on the way back to the office he turned to
> me and ask what my religious beliefs were!!!! I thoughtfully offered
> that I hadn't been to church since I was a young man, however I did take
> a theology course in college to fulfill my humanities requirement.
> Things proceeded normally and as we parted he indicated that he needed
> some time to "pray on it" and that he would get back to me shortly. Two
> days after interview I sent follow up email thanking him for his time. A
> week after interview sent another email asking if there had been any
> movement on his opportunity, and got a reply indicating that he was
> swamped with quotes to new clients, and that he would get back to me by
> the end of the week ... this past Friday. Monday afternoon sent another
> email that went unanswered ... I think the handwriting is on the wall,
> that I won't be made an offer. Now you wonder that given what I've
> written so far, why would I want to work for such a person/company ...
> well I desperately need a job. Finally I'd like to add that it's my
> understanding that asking about my religious beliefs (among other
> things) is a no-no here in the US (don't know or care about elsewhere)
> and that if I wanted to be a prick about it I could make trouble. Fat
> chance of it going anywhere if I did stir it up, as it was just us two
> and it would eventually boil down to my word against his. Sad state of
> affairs ... don't you think?
> </rant>




This discussion already got pretty far, but really when it comes to job
applications and their results, no news is not necessarily bad news:

It took my current employer 3 months to select my application among the others
for an interview. I did finally get the job and have been there more than two
years.

So unless the guy reads this thread, he might still contact you, and nothing in
what you tell indicates that he will give that much importance to religious
beliefs as this discussion leads to believe. I hope everything turns out fine.

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On 28/07/2014 00:28, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> IMO That is what organised religion is all about. Keeping the masses in
>> >their place.
> Yep.
>
> Which is why my reaction these days to people who say they believe is
> generally one of surprise, especially people whom I consider to be
> intelligent.


I don't think that you can equate intelligence with "not believing". 
Believing has to do with Faith. And Faith is not something you can 
instil or teach. It is not logical you either have it or you don't and I 
for one don't.


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Regards
     Stephen

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On 28/07/2014 00:33, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:26:11 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>

>>
>> True. But that is how we are distracted.
>
> It happens.  Squirrel! ;)
>

You don't catch me like that again.


>> How childish and trivial for a supernatural being to put worship of them
>> self above everything else. (Gives you real confidence in the
>> afterlife.)
>
> Bingo. :)
>

Clickity click, sixty six.
One its own number six.

For a line. The number of the beast. 6-6-6
Step up sir and collect your Prize.
:-)

>>> I'd rather be a good person than waste my life worshiping something
>>> just to have a shot at beating Pascal's Wager.
>>>
>> Yes, I'll live by my conscience and let others play with those who have
>> nothing else to do but think about the number of angels that can dance
>> on the head of a needle.
>
> Yep.  As long as they're not affecting the lives of others around them in
> a negative way, I generally don't care.  The problem is that a lot of
> these nitwits *do* affect the lives of others around them in a negative
> way - like insisting that science classes "teach the controversy" of
> evolution vs. creationism - as if creationism is anything like science.
>

Where?

> Or that anyone other than nitwits like Ken Ham think that creationism
> *is* a valid theory of how the world works, especially young earth
> creationism.
>
> If they want to believe that, fine.  But when they're people who sit on
> the Texas Board of Education (which for reasons of scale ends up deciding
> what's in science textbooks across the United States), then I have a HUGE
> problem with them.
>

I've given up reading about it.
I sympathise but what can you do when you see militant fundamentalist 
"Christians" to the west and militant fundamentalist "Muslims" to the 
east. Even Buddhists are killing people.

>> On the other hand. The mythology opens up boundless opportunity for
>> stories.
>
> True, and mythology recognized as mythology is a pretty cool thing.  But
> I wouldn't dream of thinking that the Arthurian mythos are a basis for
> defining a morality.


How about the Druids and Wiccan? Religions made up in Victorian times, I 
think.

> They're pretty good, especially when retold by
> Monty Python (just came back from watching that in the cinema, in
> fact). :)
>

Bad memories that one for me. While listening to the album and "tuning 
in". A friend had a bad time. I had to talk them down for about six 
hours with insects crawling out of the walls. Bummer!
On the bright side. It wasn't me. :-)


>> Have you read any of Charles Stross's Laundry series?
>
> I haven't, but I think I might have to. :)
>

Where?

>> Where his protagonist is not the BOFH but the Sysop fighting the forces
>> from Hell. Quite funny and the Tech bits don't jar.
>
> *Definitely* have to check it out. :)
>

You do. If you go to his website http://www.antipope.org/
Fun name, what!
There is some free stuff there. His early Hard SF is recommended.

>>>> Bitter! Moi?
>>>
>>> Nah, I'm not seeing you being bitter *at all* about it. ;)
>>>
>>>
>> But I am Jim. I am.
>
> You are?  It's not really coming through. ;)
>

Good! I might get away with it for a few more years yet. ;-)


Where! Tell Me! Tell Me. Where?


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Regards
     Stephen

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On 29/07/2014 19:57, Stephen wrote:
> I've given up reading about it.

Having said that. I did see this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28539331


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Regards
     Stephen

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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> And Faith is not something you can instil or teach.

Actually it is: Just brainwash the person since they are little.

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> > And Faith is not something you can instil or teach.
>
> Actually it is: Just brainwash the person since they are little.
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

I was hoping no one would notice that. :-)
It is the basis of cults.

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On 7/30/2014 3:32 AM, Stephen wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>> And Faith is not something you can instil or teach.
>>
>> Actually it is: Just brainwash the person since they are little.
>>
>> --
>>                                                            - Warp
>
> I was hoping no one would notice that. :-)
> It is the basis of cults.
>
>
Hmm. More like the basis of "all" religions. You will no more believe in 
any religion, without exposure to it, than you would spontaneously 
develop a belief in Santa Claus, while living in the Amazon jungle. But, 
you would pick up the local belief in, "spirits of the forest", but not, 
from what I remember of those tribes, some idea of one great spirit, in 
charge of it all.

-- 
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any 
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get 
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 03:39:54 -0400, Warp wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> Yep.  My theory is that they're losing, and they know it - so they're
>> fighting harder.  It's only a matter of time, but until they have
>> finally "lost" (which generally means that they get treated like
>> everyone else rather than being treated "specially"), we're going to
>> have a lot of this kind of nonsense going on.
> 
> I find it somewhat ironic that for those American Christians "losing"
> means becoming a sensible free modern society with equal rights that
> cares about the wellbeing of its citizens...

You're not the only one....I saw a comic recently that summed it up 
nicely as the "loss" being "everyone else gets treated equally".

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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