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And you know the next line is. Can you look at my laptop?
And what he brings round is a ruggedized laptop running XP. My neighbour
is a car mechanic and his laptop is for running car diagnostics. The DVD
reader will read data discs but not video DVDs. The device drivers for
the DVD player are up to date. When I put a Video disc in it did not
recognise that there was a disc mounted at all. “Insert a disc”. I put a
Windows 7 disc in. And although it said that it could not run the
programme it did read the file structure.
I did try an external DVD reader/writer but the system did not even see
that. To be fair takes a lot of power and has two USB inputs the laptop
only has one and was running on battery. So it possibly didn’t power up
properly.
Another thing it is a reconditioned machine, still with warranty.
Any suggestions?
To make things easier ;-) I don’t have the machine but he lives next
door so I could hang over the garden fence. And get it if he isn’t using it.
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> When I put a Video disc in it did not
> recognise that there was a disc mounted at all. “Insert a disc”. I put a
> Windows 7 disc in. And although it said that it could not run the
> programme it did read the file structure.
A video DVD is merely a data DVD using the UDF filesystem, containing
files with specific names. It's not like CDs where an audio-mode CD and
a data-mode CD have a totally different structure. I can believe that
the device won't *play* a video DVD (that requires access to an MPEG-2
codec, which usually requires actual *money), but I'm baffled as to how
it fails to see the disk at all...
...unless this is a region-coding "thing"...
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On 26/05/2014 22:35, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> ), but I'm baffled as to how it fails to see the disk at all...
>
Me too. I didn't have time to look at it for long and he was looking
over my shoulder all the time. As if it were one of his cars and I was
about to pull a flanker. {Golly Gosh! I can't find a correct meaning for
that word on Google. I mean pull a fast one. (braces for Dr John)}
> ...unless this is a region-coding "thing"...
I am reasonably sure the two Videos I tries were region free.
I am wondering if it might be the operating system. A cut down version
of XP. It is after all a tool. It might be a design feature allowing
only essential services.
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 21:39:23 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> Any suggestions?
Use the warranty? ;)
Jim
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 22:35:48 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> When I put a Video disc in it did not recognise that there was a disc
>> mounted at all. “Insert a disc”. I put a Windows 7 disc in. And
>> although it said that it could not run the programme it did read the
>> file structure.
>
> A video DVD is merely a data DVD using the UDF filesystem, containing
> files with specific names. It's not like CDs where an audio-mode CD and
> a data-mode CD have a totally different structure. I can believe that
> the device won't *play* a video DVD (that requires access to an MPEG-2
> codec, which usually requires actual *money), but I'm baffled as to how
> it fails to see the disk at all...
>
> ...unless this is a region-coding "thing"...
Not usually. The disc usually shows up and the software says that it's
the wrong region and offers to burn one of the "change region" toggles in
the firmware, which is usually a limited number of times thing.
Unless you use Linux, in which case the software doesn't care, doesn't do
anything with the firmware, and just decodes the region the way it should
because region coding is a stupid idea. ;)
Jim
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On 27/05/2014 00:36, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2014 21:39:23 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Use the warranty? ;)
>
>
My first thought too.
But other than not seeing video DVDs it is working fine.
And as it is second hand, quite a bit cheaper than a new one I imagine.
Really it is a nice to have.
I'll take another look at it and check the build. Also put a PS on my
external DVD player.
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No, I work as pianist in a brothel.
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On 27/05/14 00:03, Stephen wrote:
> Me too. I didn't have time to look at it for long and he was looking
> over my shoulder all the time. As if it were one of his cars and I was
> about to pull a flanker. {Golly Gosh! I can't find a correct meaning for
> that word on Google. I mean pull a fast one. (braces for Dr John)}
>
From oxforddictionaries.com
Flanker
noun
<snip>
2British • informal, • dated A trick or swindle: he’s certainly
pulled a flanker on the army
Note the 'dated' in the definition
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Doctor John <j.g### [at] gmail com> wrote:
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> Note the 'dated' in the definition
>
Note the "dated" in the OP. ;-)
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Le_Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
> No, I work as pianist in a brothel.
Well I never. I did not know that. :-)
I thought that you bent hard things after pumping your bellows. ;-)
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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: You work in computers =3D?UTF-8?B?ZG9u4oCZdCB5b3U/?=3D
Date: 27 May 2014 08:35:54
Message: <538486aa$1@news.povray.org>
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Le 27/05/2014 13:54, Stephen nous fit lire :
> Le_Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
>> No, I work as pianist in a brothel.
>
> Well I never. I did not know that. :-)
The difference is small to notice. I'm behind a keyboard all the working
days long and my performance is pretty irrelevant with the reasons our
customers want to trade with the house. The selling team promises a lot,
far more than really provided, so there is a lot of fakes but as long as
the customer is happy, nobody cares.
>
> I thought that you bent hard things after pumping your bellows. ;-)
>
Yep, that's a longer story, but I needed the money of the job.
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On Tue, 27 May 2014 07:12:48 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> But other than not seeing video DVDs it is working fine.
Arguably, that fits the definition of "not working fine" - if the DVD
drive is faulty, then a warranty claim is appropriate. :)
Jim
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On 27/05/2014 19:38, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2014 07:12:48 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> But other than not seeing video DVDs it is working fine.
>
> Arguably, that fits the definition of "not working fine" - if the DVD
> drive is faulty, then a warranty claim is appropriate. :)
>
It depends on your point of view. If what you bought it for was to
connect it to a car's ECU. Then it is working fine.
If you bought it to watch video's in a war zone. Then you bought a
ticket to see the Egress. ;-)
But all is revelled. Serge phoned the shop he bought it from and the DVD
reader is actually a CD ROM reader.
My only excuse is that when he came round he has some extra strength
tobacco. ;-) ;-)
And it was black ink on black rubber.
And I've not seen a laptop with a CD instead of a DVD reader for so long
that I've skipped over that phase.
Andrew! Remember when DVD writers cost about £1000?
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On 27/05/14 23:01, Stephen wrote:
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> But all is revelled. Serge phoned the shop he bought it from and the DVD
> reader is actually a CD ROM reader.
D'oh! (((8(|)
>
> Andrew! Remember when DVD writers cost about £1000?
>
How have they solved the data-packing problem? 4.7 GB on a small plastic
disk is clearly beyond our technical abilities.
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On Tue, 27 May 2014 23:01:25 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> But all is revelled. Serge phoned the shop he bought it from and the DVD
> reader is actually a CD ROM reader.
LOL
That would do it. :)
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On 27/05/2014 23:08, Doctor John wrote:
> On 27/05/14 23:01, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> But all is revelled. Serge phoned the shop he bought it from and the DVD
>> reader is actually a CD ROM reader.
>
> D'oh! (((8(|)
>
Yes d'oh, indeed.
>>
>> Andrew! Remember when DVD writers cost about £1000?
>>
>
> How have they solved the data-packing problem? 4.7 GB on a small plastic
> disk is clearly beyond our technical abilities.
>
Roswell technology.
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On 28/05/14 06:02, Stephen wrote:
>
> Roswell technology.
>
I want to believe!
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On 28/05/2014 12:08, Doctor John wrote:
> On 28/05/14 06:02, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> Roswell technology.
>>
>
> I want to believe!
>
> John
>
Hallelujah!
And you will be saved and transported skyward with your finger up...
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On 28/05/14 21:00, Stephen wrote:
>
> Hallelujah!
> And you will be saved and transported skyward with your finger up...
>
>
Put that odd-shaped cigarette out, Stevie
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: You work in computers =3D?UTF-8?B?ZG9u4oCZdCB5b3U/?=3D
Date: 28 May 2014 16:05:59
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On 27/05/2014 13:35, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 27/05/2014 13:54, Stephen nous fit lire :
>> Le_Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
>>> No, I work as pianist in a brothel.
>>
>> Well I never. I did not know that. :-)
>
> The difference is small to notice. I'm behind a keyboard all the working
> days long and my performance is pretty irrelevant with the reasons our
> customers want to trade with the house. The selling team promises a lot,
> far more than really provided, so there is a lot of fakes but as long as
> the customer is happy, nobody cares.
>
I think that you may be describing a lot of us. ^-^
>>
>> I thought that you bent hard things after pumping your bellows. ;-)
>>
>
> Yep, that's a longer story, but I needed the money of the job.
>
Ah! (As above. :-( )
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On 28/05/2014 21:03, Doctor John wrote:
> On 28/05/14 21:00, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> Hallelujah!
>> And you will be saved and transported skyward with your finger up...
>>
>>
> Put that odd-shaped cigarette out, Stevie
>
Not until I have Bogart'd it.
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> Andrew! Remember when DVD writers cost about £1000?
My first CD *reader* was about £250 IIRC, an external one that plugged
into the parallel port (with a pass-through so you could still use a
printer).
At the time I had a 120MB hard drive, so suddenly being able to put in
discs with 650MB on them was amazing!
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Am 29.05.2014 09:05, schrieb scott:
>> Andrew! Remember when DVD writers cost about £1000?
>
> My first CD *reader* was about £250 IIRC, an external one that plugged
> into the parallel port (with a pass-through so you could still use a
> printer).
That sounds awfully slow; then again it was probably single-speed, so
the parallel port may not have been a bottleneck after all.
My first CD drive (hey, it wasn't explicitly called a "reader" back
then) was internal, connecting to the famous SoundBlaster card. IIRC it
was already 4x speed or some such.
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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: You work in computers don’t you?
Date: 29 May 2014 09:41:31
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Le 2014-05-29 03:05, scott a écrit :
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> At the time I had a 120MB hard drive, so suddenly being able to put in
> discs with 650MB on them was amazing!
>
I remember PC Magazine saying that providing software on CDs would bring
an end to piracy, as no one had the space or bandwidth to copy them on a
large scale.
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Le 2014-05-29 07:12, clipka a écrit :
> Am 29.05.2014 09:05, schrieb scott:
>>> Andrew! Remember when DVD writers cost about £1000?
>>
>> My first CD *reader* was about £250 IIRC, an external one that plugged
>> into the parallel port (with a pass-through so you could still use a
>> printer).
>
> That sounds awfully slow; then again it was probably single-speed, so
> the parallel port may not have been a bottleneck after all.
>
> My first CD drive (hey, it wasn't explicitly called a "reader" back
> then) was internal, connecting to the famous SoundBlaster card. IIRC it
> was already 4x speed or some such.
>
Mine was a 2X.
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On 29/05/14 14:42, Francois Labreque wrote:
> I remember PC Magazine saying that providing software on CDs would bring
> an end to piracy, as no one had the space or bandwidth to copy them on a
> large scale.
>
As, indeed, RSA encryption will always be uncrackable :-D
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On 27/05/2014 11:08 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> How have they solved the data-packing problem? 4.7 GB on a small plastic
> disk is clearly beyond our technical abilities.
You may laugh, but after BluRay comes ultraviolet-ray, and after that...
I'm not sure a thin layer of aluminium is actually reflective to X-rays,
much less gamma rays...
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Le 2014-05-29 13:27, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
> On 27/05/2014 11:08 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>> How have they solved the data-packing problem? 4.7 GB on a small plastic
>> disk is clearly beyond our technical abilities.
>
> You may laugh, but after BluRay comes ultraviolet-ray, and after that...
> I'm not sure a thin layer of aluminium is actually reflective to X-rays,
> much less gamma rays...
Who needs physical media when you can stream HD over the airwaves (and
slowly cook the populace at the same time... but that's besides the point)?
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>> You may laugh, but after BluRay comes ultraviolet-ray, and after that...
>> I'm not sure a thin layer of aluminium is actually reflective to X-rays,
>> much less gamma rays...
>
> Who needs physical media when you can stream HD over the airwaves (and
> slowly cook the populace at the same time... but that's besides the point)?
Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without having
to pay multiple times?
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Le 30/05/2014 19:22, Orchid Win7 v1 nous fit lire :
>>> You may laugh, but after BluRay comes ultraviolet-ray, and after that...
>>> I'm not sure a thin layer of aluminium is actually reflective to X-rays,
>>> much less gamma rays...
>>
>> Who needs physical media when you can stream HD over the airwaves (and
>> slowly cook the populace at the same time... but that's besides the
>> point)?
>
> Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without having
> to pay multiple times?
Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without getting
to see only the current latest director edition ?
(enhanced/edited/modified for whatever reason... or rebooted)
The old "Rollerball" has some reflections on society that's no more in
latest one (hey, but the color on the newest are better... )
Battlestar Galactica... the two series are totally different, and I
prefer the old one.
Crooks in Clover (Monsieur Gangster / Les tontons flingueurs) is a B&W
film... it has been colourized... :-(
Batman... oh my...
Let's not talk about George. No, we don't.
There is plenty of reasons to not trust any external guardian of movies
or sounds. Look at Doctor Who, some episodes were lost.
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Le 2014-05-30 13:22, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
>>> You may laugh, but after BluRay comes ultraviolet-ray, and after that...
>>> I'm not sure a thin layer of aluminium is actually reflective to X-rays,
>>> much less gamma rays...
>>
>> Who needs physical media when you can stream HD over the airwaves (and
>> slowly cook the populace at the same time... but that's besides the
>> point)?
>
> Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without having
> to pay multiple times?
Who said anything about having to pay for it more than once?
You download the movie to your HD, and then you broadcast it to your
TV/tablet/phone/GoogleGlasses/Neural implant from your wifi.
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Le 2014-05-30 13:39, Le_Forgeron a écrit :
> Le 30/05/2014 19:22, Orchid Win7 v1 nous fit lire :
>>>> You may laugh, but after BluRay comes ultraviolet-ray, and after that...
>>>> I'm not sure a thin layer of aluminium is actually reflective to X-rays,
>>>> much less gamma rays...
>>>
>>> Who needs physical media when you can stream HD over the airwaves (and
>>> slowly cook the populace at the same time... but that's besides the
>>> point)?
>>
>> Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without having
>> to pay multiple times?
>
> Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without getting
> to see only the current latest director edition ?
> (enhanced/edited/modified for whatever reason... or rebooted)
>
That's why I cherish my '94 edition of the Star Wars trilogy on VHS.
Han shoots first.
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>>> Who needs physical media when you can stream HD over the airwaves (and
>>> slowly cook the populace at the same time... but that's besides the
>>> point)?
>>
>> Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without having
>> to pay multiple times?
>
> Who said anything about having to pay for it more than once?
>
> You download the movie to your HD, and then you broadcast it to your
> TV/tablet/phone/GoogleGlasses/Neural implant from your wifi.
Why transmit it to a TV when I have my PC right here?
Also, you need some way to *get* the movie onto your PC in the first
place. I'm not aware of any service that lets you legally download
content like that. (Not without keeping it locked behind a DRM system
which can automatically delete it for you when they want more money,
anyway...)
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Le 2014-05-30 18:09, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
>>>> Who needs physical media when you can stream HD over the airwaves (and
>>>> slowly cook the populace at the same time... but that's besides the
>>>> point)?
>>>
>>> Anyone who wants to be able to watch the same film again without having
>>> to pay multiple times?
>>
>> Who said anything about having to pay for it more than once?
>>
>> You download the movie to your HD, and then you broadcast it to your
>> TV/tablet/phone/GoogleGlasses/Neural implant from your wifi.
>
> Why transmit it to a TV when I have my PC right here?
>
Because your PC probably doesn't have a 8' wide projection screen.
Because you probably don't carry your PC with you to the pool.
> Also, you need some way to *get* the movie onto your PC in the first
> place. I'm not aware of any service that lets you legally download
> content like that. (Not without keeping it locked behind a DRM system
> which can automatically delete it for you when they want more money,
> anyway...)
I haven't looked at the EULA of iTunes or GooglePlay stores, but you can
certainly buy movies from them. They may still have the ability to
remove them, but you can at least watch them for a while.
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