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From: Doctor John
Subject: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 14:29:52
Message: <52867630$1@news.povray.org>
I don't swear much _but_ the Kat has just got a new machine running
Windoze 8 with Office 2013 and it is a real pain. We can both deal with
the novelty of the Windoze UI but how the hell can you tell Word 2013 to
set a complete document written using Word 2003 that it should regard it
as English? In 2003 all you had to do was select the complete text then
set the language as English(UK). Is that possible in 2013? No way!

The problem is that the Kat sometimes cuts and pastes from (say) a
Slovak document into an English one. 2013 seems to regard the language
in the pasted chunk as being immutable.

Solutions or workarounds will be gratefully received and may even result
in (virtual) beer tokens

John
-- 
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 14:53:43
Message: <52867bc7@news.povray.org>
Doctor John <j.g### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Solutions or workarounds will be gratefully received and may even result
> in (virtual) beer tokens

Possible solutions:

- Install Windows 7 and Office 2003.

- Use OpenOffice instead.

- Install Linux and OpenOffice.

- Go live in the wilderness of north Canada or Siberia, away from all
  civilization.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 15:08:51
Message: <52867f53$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:29:52 +0000, Doctor John wrote:

> In 2003 all you had to do was select the complete text then set the
> language as English(UK). Is that possible in 2013? No way!

Review > Language > Set Proofing Language

?

Jim


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 15:27:30
Message: <528683b2$1@news.povray.org>
On 15/11/13 19:53, Warp wrote:
> - Install Windows 7 and Office 2003.
> 

That's a possibility. Unfortunately I don't have a Windoze 7 install
disc, I do still have an Office 2003 disc though.

> - Use OpenOffice instead.
> 

I do and I put it on the Kat's machine as well. I'm a bit concerned
about Libre Office writing in .doc format though. Kat's publications
have to be submitted in that format (she lectures on Medieval History
and her publishers are positively medieval in what they accept; they
won't even accept .pdf)

> - Install Linux and OpenOffice.
> 

That's all I have on three of my machines. The fourth dual boots W7 and
Linux.

> - Go live in the wilderness of north Canada or Siberia, away from all
>   civilization.
> 

Now you're being silly :-D

John
-- 
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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 15:51:24
Message: <5286894c$1@news.povray.org>
On 15/11/13 20:08, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> Review > Language > Set Proofing Language
> 
> ?

I think we may have tried that, but I'll check tomorrow. I'm at my own
flat atm; I'm watching England play Chile and football is verboten at
the Kat's pad.

John
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 16:32:07
Message: <528692d7$1@news.povray.org>
On 15/11/2013 8:08 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:29:52 +0000, Doctor John wrote:
>
>> In 2003 all you had to do was select the complete text then set the
>> language as English(UK). Is that possible in 2013? No way!
>
> Review > Language > Set Proofing Language
>
> ?
>

Hmm!
I had a similar problem last week, in power point, I'm not too sure what 
version. I had a powerpoint sent to me as template for a weekly status 
report. (??? WTF)
The header was English (US), text boxes were Dutch and the text was 
French. Setting the Proofing Language had no effect. I couldn't find the 
language command in the tabs. So I customised the ribbon by adding a 
group then adding the Set Language command to it. So I could do Ctrl + A 
and click
Mind you, the install on my works craptop is annoyingly bad. It boots up 
to Dutch language with a QWERTY (US) k/board.
Oh! And Firefox thinks that I am Danish.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 17:11:50
Message: <52869c26@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:51:24 +0000, Doctor John wrote:

> On 15/11/13 20:08, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> Review > Language > Set Proofing Language
>> 
>> ?
> 
> I think we may have tried that, but I'll check tomorrow. I'm at my own
> flat atm; I'm watching England play Chile and football is verboten at
> the Kat's pad.

I have Office 2013 installed, and that seemed to do the trick - I did a 
short document in English and Spanish, selected the Spanish text and used 
the proofing tools to tell it it was Spanish, then ran a spellcheck and 
it corrected misspellings in both languages.

Jim


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 17:18:06
Message: <52869d9e@news.povray.org>
On 15/11/13 21:32, Stephen wrote:
> Mind you, the install on my works craptop is annoyingly bad. It boots up
> to Dutch language with a QWERTY (US) k/board.
> Oh! And Firefox thinks that I am Danish.
> 

:-D ROTFLMAO

John
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 18:39:38
Message: <5286b0ba$1@news.povray.org>
On 15/11/2013 10:18 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> On 15/11/13 21:32, Stephen wrote:
>> Mind you, the install on my works craptop is annoyingly bad. It boots up
>> to Dutch language with a QWERTY (US) k/board.
>> Oh! And Firefox thinks that I am Danish.
>>
>
> :-D ROTFLMAO
>

It is not funny. It also weighs half a ton.
I am actively looking for another job because of that and working with 
the management. So don't get me started. ;-)
I had an interview today, for a job based at the Elephant and Castle. 
Only one change on the tube and I would get on one stop after the 
terminus. Cross your fingers.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 18:59:53
Message: <5286b579@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:39:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> I had an interview today, 

Hope it goes well.

> for a job based at the Elephant and Castle.
> Only one change on the tube and I would get on one stop after the
> terminus. Cross your fingers.

Notting Hill. ;)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 19:17:23
Message: <5286b993@news.povray.org>
On 15/11/2013 11:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:39:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> I had an interview today,
>
> Hope it goes well.
>

Thanks, it did but it would be too nice to happen.

>> for a job based at the Elephant and Castle.
>> Only one change on the tube and I would get on one stop after the
>> terminus. Cross your fingers.
>
> Notting Hill. ;)
>
It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction reverses.



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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 20:24:45
Message: <5286c95d$1@news.povray.org>
On 15/11/13 23:39, Stephen wrote:
> Only one change on the tube and I would get on one stop after the
> terminus. Cross your fingers.
> 

I cross my fingers, toes and several other parts of my anatomy. that
would put you in an excellent position to buy me a pint.

John (slowly dying of thirst)
-- 
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 20:28:51
Message: <5286ca53@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/13 01:24, Doctor John wrote:
> On 15/11/13 23:39, Stephen wrote:
>> Only one change on the tube and I would get on one stop after the
>> terminus. Cross your fingers.
>>
> 
> I cross my fingers, toes and several other parts of my anatomy. that
> would put you in an excellent position to buy me a pint.
> 
> John (slowly dying of thirst)
> 
Oh, and I forgot to add, you might get to meet the Feegle.

John
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You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 15 Nov 2013 23:32:46
Message: <5286f56e@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:17:26 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 15/11/2013 11:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:39:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I had an interview today,
>>
>> Hope it goes well.
>>
>>
> Thanks, it did but it would be too nice to happen.
> 
>>> for a job based at the Elephant and Castle.
>>> Only one change on the tube and I would get on one stop after the
>>> terminus. Cross your fingers.
>>
>> Notting Hill. ;)
>>
> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
> reverses.

Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything going on 
today.

So let's try King's Cross instead.

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 03:39:45
Message: <52872f51@news.povray.org>
Doctor John <j.g### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I do and I put it on the Kat's machine as well. I'm a bit concerned
> about Libre Office writing in .doc format though. Kat's publications
> have to be submitted in that format (she lectures on Medieval History
> and her publishers are positively medieval in what they accept; they
> won't even accept .pdf)

I will perhaps never understand why so many companies do so.

They are promoting and boosting sales of a product of another company,
for free.

What company promotes the product of another company absolutely for free?
Apparently Microsoft is in a privileged position where thousands and
thousands of other companies do so. Microsoft doesn't have to pay a cent
for free promotion.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 04:16:08
Message: <528737d8$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 08:39 AM, Warp wrote:
> Doctor John<j.g### [at] gmailcom>  wrote:
>> I do and I put it on the Kat's machine as well. I'm a bit concerned
>> about Libre Office writing in .doc format though. Kat's publications
>> have to be submitted in that format (she lectures on Medieval History
>> and her publishers are positively medieval in what they accept; they
>> won't even accept .pdf)
>
> I will perhaps never understand why so many companies do so.
>
> They are promoting and boosting sales of a product of another company,
> for free.

It seems a lot of humans believe that Microsoft is the only company 
producing operating systems, office software, Internet browsers, email 
clients...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 04:54:00
Message: <528740b8$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 1:28 AM, Doctor John wrote:
> On 16/11/13 01:24, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 15/11/13 23:39, Stephen wrote:
>>> Only one change on the tube and I would get on one stop after the
>>> terminus. Cross your fingers.
>>>
>>
>> I cross my fingers, toes and several other parts of my anatomy. that
>> would put you in an excellent position to buy me a pint.
>>

But not you to drink it. O_o

>> John (slowly dying of thirst)
>>

Eh! You could trying making a pot of tea.

> Oh, and I forgot to add, you might get to meet the Feegle.
>

Doesn't time fly? Now you're going to the pub with your sun. ;-)


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 04:56:56
Message: <52874168$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 4:32 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
>> >reverses.
> Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything going on
> today.
>
> So let's try King's Cross instead.

You can wake up now, Jim. They have all gone home and left the grapes.

What part of "So the direction reverses." do you not understand?
It is John's turn.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 06:43:07
Message: <52875a4b$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/13 09:57, Stephen wrote:
> On 16/11/2013 4:32 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
>>> >reverses.
>> Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything going on
>> today.
>>
>> So let's try King's Cross instead.
> 
> You can wake up now, Jim. They have all gone home and left the grapes.
> 
> What part of "So the direction reverses." do you not understand?
> It is John's turn.
> 

Sorry. I was waiting for Jim to make his move. I thought we were playing
The Standard Metropolitan Rules, not the Inverse Tudor Court ones.

John
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 07:07:43
Message: <5287600f$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 11:43 AM, Doctor John wrote:
> Sorry. I was waiting for Jim to make his move. I thought we were playing
> The Standard Metropolitan Rules, not the Inverse Tudor Court ones.

It is the Kerfuffle variant of the Metropolitan Rules as defined in the 
rule book (page 49, para 3, sub. 3.14, as you know). The Inverse Tudor 
Court rules are a bit pernickety for an alien. Or a Grue, for that matter.

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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 07:20:45
Message: <5287631d@news.povray.org>
On 16-11-2013 13:07, Stephen wrote:
> On 16/11/2013 11:43 AM, Doctor John wrote:
>> Sorry. I was waiting for Jim to make his move. I thought we were playing
>> The Standard Metropolitan Rules, not the Inverse Tudor Court ones.
>
> It is the Kerfuffle variant of the Metropolitan Rules as defined in the
> rule book (page 49, para 3, sub. 3.14, as you know). The Inverse Tudor
> Court rules are a bit pernickety for an alien. Or a Grue, for that matter.
>

"You're in a maze of twisting little passages, all alike"  ;-)

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 07:26:58
Message: <52876492$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 12:20 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "You're in a maze of twisting little passages, all alike" ;-)

:-)

Yeah! The Elephant is like that and it's Turtles all the way down. ;-)

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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 07:51:26
Message: <52876a4e$1@news.povray.org>
On 16-11-2013 13:27, Stephen wrote:
> On 16/11/2013 12:20 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> "You're in a maze of twisting little passages, all alike" ;-)
>
> :-)
>
> Yeah! The Elephant is like that and it's Turtles all the way down. ;-)
>

"Plugh"

London Metropolitan == Colossal Cave == Ankh-Morpork then ;-)

Thomas


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 08:16:51
Message: <52877043$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/13 09:54, Stephen wrote:
> 
> But not you to drink it. O_o
> 

I'll use a straw

> 
> Eh! You could trying making a pot of tea.
> 

But you said that I'll have had my tea.

> 
> Doesn't time fly? Now you're going to the pub with your sun. ;-)
> 

You know I never read the Sun. Wait... You mean my son ;-)
Not very interesting piece of family info: At home, any cold drink is
called a bia (pronounced beer), a beer is piwo (pronounced peevo)

John
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 09:27:07
Message: <528780bb$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 12:51 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 16-11-2013 13:27, Stephen wrote:
>> On 16/11/2013 12:20 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> "You're in a maze of twisting little passages, all alike" ;-)
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Yeah! The Elephant is like that and it's Turtles all the way down. ;-)
>>
>
> "Plugh"
>

No hollow enough.

> London Metropolitan == Colossal Cave == Ankh-Morpork then ;-)
>

This must be the L-Space variant. In which case: Money Trap Lane.


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 09:36:58
Message: <5287830a$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 1:17 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> On 16/11/13 09:54, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> But not you to drink it. O_o
>>
>
> I'll use a straw
>
>>
>> Eh! You could trying making a pot of tea.
>>
>
> But you said that I'll have had my tea.

Och! We don't have time for that when Mrs Nauchtie has absconded with my 
Pie Scraper.

>
>>
>> Doesn't time fly? Now you're going to the pub with your sun. ;-)
>>
>
> You know I never read the Sun. Wait... You mean my son ;-)

Yes, that which is the source of all photons.

> Not very interesting piece of family info: At home, any cold drink is
> called a bia (pronounced beer), a beer is piwo (pronounced peevo)
>

Very similar to Pivo One of the few Croatian words I know.
As in: Dva piva, i on je plaćati



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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 14:11:30
Message: <5287c362@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:57:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 16/11/2013 4:32 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
>>> >reverses.
>> Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything going
>> on today.
>>
>> So let's try King's Cross instead.
> 
> You can wake up now, Jim. They have all gone home and left the grapes.

Oh, good. :)

> What part of "So the direction reverses." do you not understand?
> It is John's turn.

Oh, right, sorry, John.  I guess I'm in nip this round. :(

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 14:13:28
Message: <5287c3d8@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:43:20 +0000, Doctor John wrote:

> On 16/11/13 09:57, Stephen wrote:
>> On 16/11/2013 4:32 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
>>>> >reverses.
>>> Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything going
>>> on today.
>>>
>>> So let's try King's Cross instead.
>> 
>> You can wake up now, Jim. They have all gone home and left the grapes.
>> 
>> What part of "So the direction reverses." do you not understand?
>> It is John's turn.
>> 
>> 
> Sorry. I was waiting for Jim to make his move. I thought we were playing
> The Standard Metropolitan Rules, not the Inverse Tudor Court ones.

Well, now I'm confused, because I thought we were playing Stovold's 7th 
variation.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 14:17:24
Message: <5287c4c4$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:27:11 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 16/11/2013 12:51 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 16-11-2013 13:27, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2013 12:20 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> "You're in a maze of twisting little passages, all alike" ;-)
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Yeah! The Elephant is like that and it's Turtles all the way down. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> "Plugh"
>>
>>
> No hollow enough.
> 
>> London Metropolitan == Colossal Cave == Ankh-Morpork then ;-)
>>
>>
> This must be the L-Space variant. In which case: Money Trap Lane.

Wait, I thought it was John's turn?

Now I'm really confused.

Jim


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 15:36:49
Message: <5287d761$1@news.povray.org>
Am 16.11.2013 20:13, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:43:20 +0000, Doctor John wrote:
>
>> On 16/11/13 09:57, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2013 4:32 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
>>>>>> reverses.
>>>> Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything going
>>>> on today.
>>>>
>>>> So let's try King's Cross instead.
>>>
>>> You can wake up now, Jim. They have all gone home and left the grapes.
>>>
>>> What part of "So the direction reverses." do you not understand?
>>> It is John's turn.
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry. I was waiting for Jim to make his move. I thought we were playing
>> The Standard Metropolitan Rules, not the Inverse Tudor Court ones.
>
> Well, now I'm confused, because I thought we were playing Stovold's 7th
> variation.

You all know that there's a special level of hell reserved for people 
playing this game in public?

It's quite Bosch-esque.

The game, that is. The special level in hell is far worse.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 16:03:27
Message: <5287dd9f@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 8:36 PM, clipka wrote:
> You all know that there's a special level of hell reserved for people
> playing this game in public?

     Why this is hell, nor are we out of it.
     Think'st thou that we, who saw the face of ISIHAC,
     And tasted the eternal joys of Hamish and Dougal,
     Are not tormented with ten thousand hells
     In being deprived of everlasting Mornington Crescent?"


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 16:04:42
Message: <5287ddea$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 9:03 PM, Stephen wrote:

>
>      Why this is hell, nor are we out of it.

BTW

Left hand down a bit.

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 16:08:07
Message: <5287deb7$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:04:46 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 16/11/2013 9:03 PM, Stephen wrote:
> 
> 
>>      Why this is hell, nor are we out of it.
> 
> BTW
> 
> Left hand down a bit.

LOL


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 16:08:26
Message: <5287deca$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:36:44 +0100, clipka wrote:

> Am 16.11.2013 20:13, schrieb Jim Henderson:
>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:43:20 +0000, Doctor John wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/11/13 09:57, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 16/11/2013 4:32 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
>>>>>>> reverses.
>>>>> Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything
>>>>> going on today.
>>>>>
>>>>> So let's try King's Cross instead.
>>>>
>>>> You can wake up now, Jim. They have all gone home and left the
>>>> grapes.
>>>>
>>>> What part of "So the direction reverses." do you not understand?
>>>> It is John's turn.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sorry. I was waiting for Jim to make his move. I thought we were
>>> playing The Standard Metropolitan Rules, not the Inverse Tudor Court
>>> ones.
>>
>> Well, now I'm confused, because I thought we were playing Stovold's 7th
>> variation.
> 
> You all know that there's a special level of hell reserved for people
> playing this game in public?
> 
> It's quite Bosch-esque.
> 
> The game, that is. The special level in hell is far worse.

Welcome to the special level in hell. ;)

Jim


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 16:12:38
Message: <5287dfc6$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/13 19:17, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:27:11 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> On 16/11/2013 12:51 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 16-11-2013 13:27, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 16/11/2013 12:20 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>> "You're in a maze of twisting little passages, all alike" ;-)
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah! The Elephant is like that and it's Turtles all the way down. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "Plugh"
>>>
>>>
>> No hollow enough.
>>
>>> London Metropolitan == Colossal Cave == Ankh-Morpork then ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> This must be the L-Space variant. In which case: Money Trap Lane.
> 
> Wait, I thought it was John's turn?
> 
> Now I'm really confused.
> 
> Jim
> 
We're using the Harbottle Variant.

Stepney Green

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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 16:14:20
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On 16/11/13 19:11, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:57:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> On 16/11/2013 4:32 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> It is on the diagonal and you are in Kerfuffle. So the direction
>>>>> reverses.
>>> Bugger.  I knew I shouldn't have made that move with everything going
>>> on today.
>>>
>>> So let's try King's Cross instead.
>>
>> You can wake up now, Jim. They have all gone home and left the grapes.
> 
> Oh, good. :)
> 
>> What part of "So the direction reverses." do you not understand?
>> It is John's turn.
> 
> Oh, right, sorry, John.  I guess I'm in nip this round. :(
> 
> Jim
> 
I repeat, Stepney Green

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 16:58:08
Message: <5287ea70$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/11/2013 9:14 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> I repeat, Stepney Green

Buzzzz!   Repetition.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 17:40:56
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On 16/11/13 21:58, Stephen wrote:
> On 16/11/2013 9:14 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>> I repeat, Stepney Green
> 
> Buzzzz!   Repetition.
> 
> 

Wrong game. You replace Jim in Nid and all other players open one diagonal.

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 18:14:48
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On 16/11/2013 10:41 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> On 16/11/13 21:58, Stephen wrote:
>> On 16/11/2013 9:14 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>>> I repeat, Stepney Green
>>
>> Buzzzz!   Repetition.
>>
>>
>
> Wrong game. You replace Jim in Nid and all other players open one diagonal.
>



<embarrassed silence>

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 21:09:15
Message: <5288254b@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:12:51 +0000, Doctor John wrote:

> On 16/11/13 19:17, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:27:11 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 16/11/2013 12:51 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 16-11-2013 13:27, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 16/11/2013 12:20 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>> "You're in a maze of twisting little passages, all alike" ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah! The Elephant is like that and it's Turtles all the way down.
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> "Plugh"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No hollow enough.
>>>
>>>> London Metropolitan == Colossal Cave == Ankh-Morpork then ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This must be the L-Space variant. In which case: Money Trap Lane.
>> 
>> Wait, I thought it was John's turn?
>> 
>> Now I'm really confused.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
> We're using the Harbottle Variant.
> 
> Stepney Green

AHHHH, OK, now I'm with you.

The obvious next move is Euston Road, so I think I'll pass on that and go 
to Goodge Street.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 16 Nov 2013 21:10:40
Message: <528825a0$1@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:41:09 +0000, Doctor John wrote:

> On 16/11/13 21:58, Stephen wrote:
>> On 16/11/2013 9:14 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>>> I repeat, Stepney Green
>> 
>> Buzzzz!   Repetition.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Wrong game. You replace Jim in Nid and all other players open one
> diagonal.

Now is that before or after I did my move to Goodge Street?

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 17 Nov 2013 06:16:40
Message: <5288a598@news.povray.org>
On 17/11/2013 2:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> AHHHH, OK, now I'm with you.
>
> The obvious next move is Euston Road, so I think I'll pass on that and go
> to Goodge Street.

Well that forces me to "Street of Alchemists".

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 17 Nov 2013 06:18:35
Message: <5288a60b$1@news.povray.org>
On 17/11/2013 2:10 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:41:09 +0000, Doctor John wrote:
>
>> On 16/11/13 21:58, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2013 9:14 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>>>> I repeat, Stepney Green
>>>
>>> Buzzzz!   Repetition.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Wrong game. You replace Jim in Nid and all other players open one
>> diagonal.
>
> Now is that before or after I did my move to Goodge Street?
>

Before, Jim.

Please keep up. ;-)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 18 Nov 2013 03:21:53
Message: <5289ce21$1@news.povray.org>
> It seems a lot of humans believe that Microsoft is the only company
> producing operating systems, office software, Internet browsers, email
> clients...

And in some situations it probably isn't worth the effort 
(=resource/time/money) to support anything in addition to the standard 
MS office formats. For example you might need to purchase something to 
edit PDF files, then train you staff how to use it, for what, another 5% 
of customers who can't write .doc files? If you're operating a print 
place then it is probably worth it, but not if you're (eg) a recruitment 
agency.


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 18 Nov 2013 08:30:52
Message: <528a168c$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2013-11-16 09:37, Stephen a écrit :
> On 16/11/2013 1:17 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>> Not very interesting piece of family info: At home, any cold drink is
>> called a bia (pronounced beer), a beer is piwo (pronounced peevo)
>>
>
> Very similar to Pivo One of the few Croatian words I know.
> As in: Dva piva, i on je plaćati

Pivo is also the word for beer in Czech and Russian.  Problably in most 
other slavic languages, as well.

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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 18 Nov 2013 09:36:15
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On 18/11/13 13:31, Francois Labreque wrote:
> 
> Pivo is also the word for beer in Czech and Russian.  Problably in most
> other slavic languages, as well.
> 

Indeed it is. With just one word you can survive happily in any of the
slavic nations :-D

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 18 Nov 2013 09:38:08
Message: <528a2650@news.povray.org>
scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> And in some situations it probably isn't worth the effort 
> (=resource/time/money) to support anything in addition to the standard 
> MS office formats. For example you might need to purchase something to 
> edit PDF files, then train you staff how to use it, for what, another 5% 
> of customers who can't write .doc files? If you're operating a print 
> place then it is probably worth it, but not if you're (eg) a recruitment 
> agency.

So you pay for licenses and train your staff to use MS Office so that
you don't have to train them to use something else?

Completely makes sense.

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From: scott
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 18 Nov 2013 12:10:00
Message: <528a49e8$1@news.povray.org>
>> And in some situations it probably isn't worth the effort
>> (=resource/time/money) to support anything in addition to the standard
>> MS office formats. For example you might need to purchase something to
>> edit PDF files, then train you staff how to use it, for what, another 5%
>> of customers who can't write .doc files? If you're operating a print
>> place then it is probably worth it, but not if you're (eg) a recruitment
>> agency.
>
> So you pay for licenses and train your staff to use MS Office so that
> you don't have to train them to use something else?
>
> Completely makes sense.

It makes complete sense if the majority of your customers are sending 
you MS Office files, and only a minority want to send you pdf. You'd be 
crazy in that situation to only deal with pdf files.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 18 Nov 2013 12:40:41
Message: <528a5119$1@news.povray.org>
On 18/11/13 17:09, scott wrote:
> 
> It makes complete sense if the majority of your customers are sending
> you MS Office files, and only a minority want to send you pdf. You'd be
> crazy in that situation to only deal with pdf files.
> 

I beg to differ. Firstly, what makes you think that the minority will
switch to the system you have dictated? The most likely scenario is that
they will leave you and find somebody more flexible.
Then, what? Are you going to tell them that they must submit images only
in .png? You'll lose a few more.
Keep on going like that and you'll soon have no customers left.

John
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: **!!ing Office 2013
Date: 18 Nov 2013 13:32:22
Message: <528a5d36$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:18:39 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 17/11/2013 2:10 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:41:09 +0000, Doctor John wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/11/13 21:58, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 16/11/2013 9:14 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>>>>> I repeat, Stepney Green
>>>>
>>>> Buzzzz!   Repetition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Wrong game. You replace Jim in Nid and all other players open one
>>> diagonal.
>>
>> Now is that before or after I did my move to Goodge Street?
>>
>>
> Before, Jim.
> 
> Please keep up. ;-)

Trying to, but the multiple subthreads makes it a little more 
challenging. ;)

Jim


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