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Some of you may recall that SIX MONTHS AGO I agreed to buy a flat. Well,
tomorrow I finally get the keys.
That being the case, I am currently in the process of taking my life
apart so I can move it. As far as I know, the flat doesn't have any
Internet access. I may be offline for some considerable time...
I guess I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon. ;-)
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On 22/09/13 12:19, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Some of you may recall that SIX MONTHS AGO I agreed to buy a flat. Well,
> tomorrow I finally get the keys.
>
> That being the case, I am currently in the process of taking my life
> apart so I can move it. As far as I know, the flat doesn't have any
> Internet access. I may be offline for some considerable time...
>
> I guess I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon. ;-)
Good luck with the move. Make sure that the first thing you unpack is
the kettle.
John
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Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:19:00 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Some of you may recall that SIX MONTHS AGO I agreed to buy a flat. Well,
> tomorrow I finally get the keys.
>
> That being the case, I am currently in the process of taking my life
> apart so I can move it. As far as I know, the flat doesn't have any
> Internet access. I may be offline for some considerable time...
>
> I guess I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon. ;-)
Congrats! Very glad to hear everything is now sorted out. :)
Jim
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:46:40 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
> Good luck with the move. Make sure that the first thing you unpack is
> the kettle.
And the TP. ;)
Jim
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On 22/09/2013 12:19 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> That being the case, I am currently in the process of taking my life
> apart so I can move it. As far as I know, the flat doesn't have any
> Internet access. I may be offline for some considerable time...
>
> I guess I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon. ;-)
Holy hell, I'm back! :-D
For reasons unknown, unplugging my PC, driving it 5 miles, and plugging
it back in again was enough to brick it. The PC has been turned on all
year, but once turned off, the PSU was apparently unable to restart it.
I have literally *just* finished wiring up my shiny new modular PSU from
Powercool.
I already had Internet installed over a week ago. Now I can actually
*use* the service I'm paying £50/month for...
Did I miss anything?
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:10:14 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 22/09/2013 12:19 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> That being the case, I am currently in the process of taking my life
>> apart so I can move it. As far as I know, the flat doesn't have any
>> Internet access. I may be offline for some considerable time...
>>
>> I guess I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon. ;-)
>
> Holy hell, I'm back! :-D
Welcome back! How was the move, and how's the new place?
> For reasons unknown, unplugging my PC, driving it 5 miles, and plugging
> it back in again was enough to brick it. The PC has been turned on all
> year, but once turned off, the PSU was apparently unable to restart it.
> I have literally *just* finished wiring up my shiny new modular PSU from
> Powercool.
>
> I already had Internet installed over a week ago. Now I can actually
> *use* the service I'm paying £50/month for...
>
> Did I miss anything?
Just the usual sorts of shouting that have gone on around here lately. ;)
Jim
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Le 17/10/2013 21:10, Orchid Win7 v1 nous fit lire :
>
> Holy hell, I'm back! :-D
>
> For reasons unknown, unplugging my PC, driving it 5 miles, and plugging
> it back in again was enough to brick it. The PC has been turned on all
> year, but once turned off, the PSU was apparently unable to restart it.
> I have literally *just* finished wiring up my shiny new modular PSU from
> Powercool.
>
> I already had Internet installed over a week ago. Now I can actually
> *use* the service I'm paying £50/month for...
>
> Did I miss anything?
Welcome back.
It happened to me at work with a PSU too (was replaced under warranty:
added symptom, would turn off at random, after a few day, and not
restart unless voodoo was performed)).
is the bandwidth worth the price ?
you missed the yummy yummy cloud animation (links in p.b.i )
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>> Holy hell, I'm back! :-D
>
> Welcome back! How was the move, and how's the new place?
The move wasn't too bad. Dealing with my mother was a total PITA of
course. If I could have done things slowly and carefully it would have
been much easier than having her hurrying me along every three seconds.
Needless to say, I now have a significant amount of shelves, due to my
mother's shelf obsession.
For a while it's been like living in a campsite here. Only recently have
I got everything straightened out enough that it actually feels like
home, not a temporary hotel or something.
During daylight I really love my new flat. At night, it creeps me out
that the entire world can see me through the paper-thin curtains, and
everyone in the building can hear me. I really need some decent
curtains; so I can have some privacy, and so I'm not heating the street
every time I turn the heating on.
Other than that, my PC was pretty much the last major thing to get set
up. I'm still waiting for a sofa to arrive, but I've got a table and
chairs. The flat came with a working cooker, freezer and washing
machine. The electric hob takes some getting used to; you have to turn
it on about 20 minutes before you want to cook anything, and once it's
hot it'll stay hot for 20 minutes after you turn it off. In short,
there's no way of controlling the amount of heat the food gets. On the
other hand, the fan oven should make baking a lot easier...
I especially enjoyed that the paperwork for the flat contains the manual
for the previous boiler, and not the one presently fitted. :-D
It's really wonderful to be able to come home and just COOK something.
No more trying to second-guess what my mother is going to do; I can just
EAT! This is why I moved out. Well, that and the ability to actually
have visitors.
Speaking of which, several of the people at my dance class seem to be
under the impression that there will be a house-warming party. I kinda
like the idea of that, but I don't know how many humans you can fit in a
one-bed flat, and I'm also not sure exactly what I would *do* with them
once they're here... we shall see.
My last bank statement was scary. It's alarming to see the money out
column has MORE DIGITS in it than the money in column. :-S Welcome to
never having any money ever again. ;-)
Oh, and my boss tells me I might want to update my CV, because the
company *may* go under shortly. O_O
(NOW you tell me?!)
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> Welcome back.
>
> It happened to me at work with a PSU too (was replaced under warranty:
> added symptom, would turn off at random, after a few day, and not
> restart unless voodoo was performed)).
It ran for about 8 months continuously. A month ago I rebooted it, and
the BIOS refused to proceed due to the CPU temperature. I vacuumed the
fluff out of it, and then it worked fine for another month. Unplugged it
all, drove it down the road, plugged it in... nothing. Absolutely dead.
When you hit the switch, the fans twitch, and that's it. Even the power
light seemed dimmer... damned weird.
Still, this is my first modular PSU. Usually you pay £££ for that, but
this PSU was a mere £30, which isn't bad. Some of the cables where a
little shorter than I'd like, and they're all sheathed so they're a bit
stiff and don't want to unbend, but otherwise I'm really happy with it.
> is the bandwidth worth the price ?
Well, I'm not sure. To get broadband, you have to have telephone service
as well, which is probably why it's so pricey. (The actual broadband
component itself is only £16/month, and it's 40 MBit/sec, which is
absurdly fast.)
> you missed the yummy yummy cloud animation (links in p.b.i )
OK...
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:57:06 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> Holy hell, I'm back! :-D
>>
>> Welcome back! How was the move, and how's the new place?
>
> The move wasn't too bad. Dealing with my mother was a total PITA of
> course. If I could have done things slowly and carefully it would have
> been much easier than having her hurrying me along every three seconds.
> Needless to say, I now have a significant amount of shelves, due to my
> mother's shelf obsession.
Ah, now if I'd known that, I could've sent you some bookcases we just
gave away. ;)
> For a while it's been like living in a campsite here. Only recently have
> I got everything straightened out enough that it actually feels like
> home, not a temporary hotel or something.
That's great! :)
> During daylight I really love my new flat. At night, it creeps me out
> that the entire world can see me through the paper-thin curtains, and
> everyone in the building can hear me. I really need some decent
> curtains; so I can have some privacy, and so I'm not heating the street
> every time I turn the heating on.
Ah, *that's* what I was seeing. I wondered. ;)
Good curtains are a good thing - we've got some windows in the back of
our place that don't have interior coverings (we have exterior shades on
three of the bigger windows - they help keep the place cool in the
summer).
> Other than that, my PC was pretty much the last major thing to get set
> up. I'm still waiting for a sofa to arrive, but I've got a table and
> chairs. The flat came with a working cooker, freezer and washing
> machine. The electric hob takes some getting used to; you have to turn
> it on about 20 minutes before you want to cook anything, and once it's
> hot it'll stay hot for 20 minutes after you turn it off. In short,
> there's no way of controlling the amount of heat the food gets. On the
> other hand, the fan oven should make baking a lot easier...
We found adjustments to cooking times were necessary when we replaced our
electric cooker - we had a gas stove/dual oven in the basement that
wasn't being used when we moved in (though there was a second kitchen in
the basement - a "mother-in-law" apartment is, we think, what the
previous owner's intention was), and we had it restored and moved
upstairs. It's really nice to have, and I know we'll miss it when we
move (which may happen before the end of the year).
> I especially enjoyed that the paperwork for the flat contains the manual
> for the previous boiler, and not the one presently fitted. :-D
That sounds familiar. When we moved in here, we found several old
instruction manuals for all sorts of stuff that was no longer here.
> It's really wonderful to be able to come home and just COOK something.
> No more trying to second-guess what my mother is going to do; I can just
> EAT! This is why I moved out. Well, that and the ability to actually
> have visitors.
That's definitely a plus. :)
> Speaking of which, several of the people at my dance class seem to be
> under the impression that there will be a house-warming party. I kinda
> like the idea of that, but I don't know how many humans you can fit in a
> one-bed flat, and I'm also not sure exactly what I would *do* with them
> once they're here... we shall see.
I don't know about in the UK, but here in the US, it's been my experience
that with that type of gathering, people tend to come and go. Put some
music on, get some light snacks (chips, dip, pizza, that sort of thing -
and drinks, of course) and invite people to come over. Get to know and
invite your neighbors as well - that's a great way to reduce the chances
of a noise complaint from them. :)
People tend to just gather and socialize, have a drink or two, and then
may wander off. My son did something like this when he and his SO got
their place - with only a couch, they got a bunch of pillows/cushions so
people could sit on the floor. They played video games and such as well.
> My last bank statement was scary. It's alarming to see the money out
> column has MORE DIGITS in it than the money in column. :-S Welcome to
> never having any money ever again. ;-)
I know *that* story. ;) It's been over 2 years since I was laid off and
started working for myself. While I could make a lot per month if I put
in a full work week each week, I tend to work about 4 hours a day on
average, really just enough to keep paying the bills.
> Oh, and my boss tells me I might want to update my CV, because the
> company *may* go under shortly. O_O
>
> (NOW you tell me?!)
Eep. Always a good thing to keep the CV current, just in case. I wish
I'd done that in the years leading up to my layoff - it was much harder
to remember and provide specifics on projects I worked on (things like
savings, revenue impacts, that sort of thing - if you work on stuff where
you have that information available).
We're looking to probably move to Seattle by the end of the year; if we
can get what we want for our house, that'll give us a little money in the
bank to cover moving expenses and hopefully about a year's worth of rent
(we've decided to rent a flat rather than buy a place, at least until we
have decided on a place we want to invest in). That's one of the nice
things about owning a place and fixing it up - you can make money on it
when you sell it. :)
Jim
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On 17/10/13 22:02, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Well, I'm not sure. To get broadband, you have to have telephone service
> as well, which is probably why it's so pricey. (The actual broadband
> component itself is only £16/month, and it's 40 MBit/sec, which is
> absurdly fast.)
>
So, about the same speed that I get in Westminster. Mine varies between
36 and 48 Mb/s. OTOH we haven't been given optical fibre yet, which is a
bit odd considering the number of MPs etc who live here. When BT finally
gets around to doing us, I expect speeds to increase by an order of
magnitude.
Oh, BTW, welcome home.
John
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Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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> So, about the same speed that I get in Westminster. Mine varies between
> 36 and 48 Mb/s. OTOH we haven't been given optical fibre yet, which is a
> bit odd considering the number of MPs etc who live here. When BT finally
> gets around to doing us, I expect speeds to increase by an order of
> magnitude.
You should be grateful with what you have :-P On a good day I can get
just above 3 Mb/s...
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On 18/10/2013 09:35 AM, Doctor John wrote:
> So, about the same speed that I get in Westminster. Mine varies between
> 36 and 48 Mb/s. OTOH we haven't been given optical fibre yet, which is a
> bit odd considering the number of MPs etc who live here. When BT finally
> gets around to doing us, I expect speeds to increase by an order of
> magnitude.
I would suggest that digging up the roads in the most densely populated,
most traffic-ridden place in the entire country might be problematic for
them.
> Oh, BTW, welcome home.
Thanks.
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On 18/10/2013 10:36 AM, scott wrote:
> You should be grateful with what you have :-P On a good day I can get
> just above 3 Mb/s...
Yeah, I was under the impression most of the country uses ADSL2, which
tops out at 8 Mb/s. I'm not actually sure how it's even *possible* to
have 40 Mb/s...
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On 17/10/2013 11:34 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Ah, now if I'd known that, I could've sent you some bookcases we just
> gave away. ;)
My mother has a shelf obsession, not me! My flat is quite full of
furniture as it is; I don't need any more.
The walls are made of cardboard, so you can't actually attach anything
to them. (Not if you don't want the entire wall to crack in half,
anyway.) So everything has to be bookcases and the like.
> Good curtains are a good thing - we've got some windows in the back of
> our place that don't have interior coverings (we have exterior shades on
> three of the bigger windows - they help keep the place cool in the
> summer).
I'm hoping this place will be cool in summer - the Sun never faces it.
But it's not very warm right now with no curtains... I'd turn the
heating on more, but without curtains I'm just pouring money down the drain.
>> I especially enjoyed that the paperwork for the flat contains the manual
>> for the previous boiler, and not the one presently fitted. :-D
>
> That sounds familiar. When we moved in here, we found several old
> instruction manuals for all sorts of stuff that was no longer here.
The flat comes with an owner's manual of sorts - a folder with sections
for everything you would ever need to know. Trouble is, it was clearly
compiled by the builders. So it contains the manual for the boiler they
installed, not the new one it was replaced with.
But I think the thing I most enjoyed was the section entitled "meter
locations". It is entirely empty.
> I don't know about in the UK, but here in the US, it's been my experience
> that with that type of gathering, people tend to come and go. Put some
> music on, get some light snacks (chips, dip, pizza, that sort of thing -
> and drinks, of course) and invite people to come over. Get to know and
> invite your neighbors as well - that's a great way to reduce the chances
> of a noise complaint from them. :)
>
> People tend to just gather and socialize, have a drink or two, and then
> may wander off. My son did something like this when he and his SO got
> their place - with only a couch, they got a bunch of pillows/cushions so
> people could sit on the floor. They played video games and such as well.
We'll see what I can set up. According to the terms of the lease, I'm
not allowed to play music though. (Which is unsurprising, given the
walls are made of cardboard. If the guy next door takes a dump, I can
tell you if it's one lump or two!) I'm also not allowed to use a TV,
although I'm damned sure I've heard other people doing so. Oh, and I'm
not allowed to play a musical instrument OR SING!
>> My last bank statement was scary. It's alarming to see the money out
>> column has MORE DIGITS in it than the money in column. :-S Welcome to
>> never having any money ever again. ;-)
>
> I know *that* story. ;) It's been over 2 years since I was laid off and
> started working for myself. While I could make a lot per month if I put
> in a full work week each week, I tend to work about 4 hours a day on
> average, really just enough to keep paying the bills.
No matter what your woes, somebody else always has a bigger problem.
Why, I just spoke to my ex-girlfriend, and her sister died yesterday.
What do you even SAY to something like that??
>> Oh, and my boss tells me I might want to update my CV, because the
>> company *may* go under shortly. O_O
>>
>> (NOW you tell me?!)
>
> Eep. Always a good thing to keep the CV current, just in case. I wish
> I'd done that in the years leading up to my layoff - it was much harder
> to remember and provide specifics on projects I worked on (things like
> savings, revenue impacts, that sort of thing - if you work on stuff where
> you have that information available).
Fortunately, I now have a goodly list of stuff I've single-handedly done
here. And more to the point, last time around everybody who interviewed
me was wowed by the stuff I put on my CV, but then completely lost
interest when I said I have no commercial experience. Now I have a year
of solid experience, so...
> We're looking to probably move to Seattle by the end of the year
Sometimes I like to think of moving from one American state to another
as being like moving between European countries. I gather they're
approximately the same size...
> That's one of the nice
> things about owning a place and fixing it up - you can make money on it
> when you sell it. :)
Interesting. I assumed that you always lose a huge chunk of money when
you sell a property - pretty much like anything else you can buy...
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Le 18/10/2013 20:36, Orchid Win7 v1 nous fit lire :
> On 18/10/2013 10:36 AM, scott wrote:
>> You should be grateful with what you have :-P On a good day I can get
>> just above 3 Mb/s...
>
> Yeah, I was under the impression most of the country uses ADSL2, which
> tops out at 8 Mb/s. I'm not actually sure how it's even *possible* to
> have 40 Mb/s...
ADSL2+ tops at 20 Mb/s IP (or 28Mb/s ATM) for download, max 1Mb/s upload
France allowed VDSL2 since 1 October 2013... if you are shorter than
1200m, it can provide far better rate. IIRC, 200Mb/s down and 50Mb/s
up... if you are next to the NRA and the NRA is VDSL2 compatible...
Half them for reality at less than 500 m of the NRA.
Next to the NRA: rather: have direct access to it, your line being
inside it!
Now, the usual NRA is up to 6000 m radius large, so the probability that
you are less than 1200m from it is about 1/25 : 1 out of 25 house will
be happy of VDSL2. On a city of 20 000 houses, that's not a so big
number. (800)
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:52:34 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 17/10/2013 11:34 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Ah, now if I'd known that, I could've sent you some bookcases we just
>> gave away. ;)
>
> My mother has a shelf obsession, not me! My flat is quite full of
> furniture as it is; I don't need any more.
If you've ever seen "Waiting for God" - this made me think of Geoffrey.
If you haven't, that won't make any sense, though. :)
I don't think we could afford the shipping. :)
> The walls are made of cardboard, so you can't actually attach anything
> to them. (Not if you don't want the entire wall to crack in half,
> anyway.) So everything has to be bookcases and the like.
Ah, yes, paneling - we've got some of that in our place - it's attached
to sheetrock, but I could see that being a problem.
>> Good curtains are a good thing - we've got some windows in the back of
>> our place that don't have interior coverings (we have exterior shades
>> on three of the bigger windows - they help keep the place cool in the
>> summer).
>
> I'm hoping this place will be cool in summer - the Sun never faces it.
> But it's not very warm right now with no curtains... I'd turn the
> heating on more, but without curtains I'm just pouring money down the
> drain.
Are the windows single- or double-glazed? Curtains may not make that
much difference if they're double.
>>> I especially enjoyed that the paperwork for the flat contains the
>>> manual for the previous boiler, and not the one presently fitted. :-D
>>
>> That sounds familiar. When we moved in here, we found several old
>> instruction manuals for all sorts of stuff that was no longer here.
>
> The flat comes with an owner's manual of sorts - a folder with sections
> for everything you would ever need to know. Trouble is, it was clearly
> compiled by the builders. So it contains the manual for the boiler they
> installed, not the new one it was replaced with.
Got a model number and manufacturer for the new one? Usually there's
something printed on a metal plate (or otherwise) on the side of the
thing that has that info - I find most manuals can be found online these
days, but if not, having the manufacturer and the make means you can get
hold of someone at the company and ask for one if you really need it.
That's what we ended up doing with the ancient boiler our place came with.
> But I think the thing I most enjoyed was the section entitled "meter
> locations". It is entirely empty.
LOL
>> I don't know about in the UK, but here in the US, it's been my
>> experience that with that type of gathering, people tend to come and
>> go. Put some music on, get some light snacks (chips, dip, pizza, that
>> sort of thing - and drinks, of course) and invite people to come over.
>> Get to know and invite your neighbors as well - that's a great way to
>> reduce the chances of a noise complaint from them. :)
>>
>> People tend to just gather and socialize, have a drink or two, and then
>> may wander off. My son did something like this when he and his SO got
>> their place - with only a couch, they got a bunch of pillows/cushions
>> so people could sit on the floor. They played video games and such as
>> well.
>
> We'll see what I can set up. According to the terms of the lease, I'm
> not allowed to play music though. (Which is unsurprising, given the
> walls are made of cardboard. If the guy next door takes a dump, I can
> tell you if it's one lump or two!) I'm also not allowed to use a TV,
> although I'm damned sure I've heard other people doing so. Oh, and I'm
> not allowed to play a musical instrument OR SING!
TMI on your neighbor ;) - but you might talk to the landlord and see what
accommodation they're able to/willing to make for a housewarming party.
>
>>> My last bank statement was scary. It's alarming to see the money out
>>> column has MORE DIGITS in it than the money in column. :-S Welcome to
>>> never having any money ever again. ;-)
>>
>> I know *that* story. ;) It's been over 2 years since I was laid off
>> and started working for myself. While I could make a lot per month if
>> I put in a full work week each week, I tend to work about 4 hours a day
>> on average, really just enough to keep paying the bills.
>
> No matter what your woes, somebody else always has a bigger problem.
> Why, I just spoke to my ex-girlfriend, and her sister died yesterday.
> What do you even SAY to something like that??
"I'm sorry for your loss" or "Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that" is usually a
good place to start. That is sad news indeed. I find that some people
enjoy talking about the person who passed away, others want to be
distracted. Listening is usually good.
>
>>> Oh, and my boss tells me I might want to update my CV, because the
>>> company *may* go under shortly. O_O
>>>
>>> (NOW you tell me?!)
>>
>> Eep. Always a good thing to keep the CV current, just in case. I wish
>> I'd done that in the years leading up to my layoff - it was much harder
>> to remember and provide specifics on projects I worked on (things like
>> savings, revenue impacts, that sort of thing - if you work on stuff
>> where you have that information available).
>
> Fortunately, I now have a goodly list of stuff I've single-handedly done
> here. And more to the point, last time around everybody who interviewed
> me was wowed by the stuff I put on my CV, but then completely lost
> interest when I said I have no commercial experience. Now I have a year
> of solid experience, so...
That'll certainly help. :)
>> We're looking to probably move to Seattle by the end of the year
>
> Sometimes I like to think of moving from one American state to another
> as being like moving between European countries. I gather they're
> approximately the same size...
Depends on the state. Here in Salt Lake City (and the surrounding towns)
there's about a million people. Seattle's about the same size, but
different politics, climate, ... pretty much everything. :)
>> That's one of the nice things about owning a place and fixing it up -
>> you can make money on it when you sell it. :)
>
> Interesting. I assumed that you always lose a huge chunk of money when
> you sell a property - pretty much like anything else you can buy...
Oh, no, property values can (and do) go up. I bought my first place out
here in the mid-90's, paid about $89K for it (well, the bank did, and I
paid them back when I sold the place and we moved in 2001. The new place
cost roughly double that (I think about $160K when all was said and
done), and our realtor tells us that we should be able to get about $325K
for it when we finish the last few little things that need finishing (a
couple hardwood floors to professionally clean and refinish, and a little
bit of painting).
A lot of it has to do with supply and demand. Right now around here,
it's a seller's market (there are more people wanting to move in than are
wanting to leave), so you can ask a higher price.
We also had a 50-year roof put on the place while we were here - at a
cost of about $20K (we had equity built up in the property because we
bought it below market value, so we put the equity up as collateral for a
loan). So the next people to own the place (and possibly a few after
them) won't have to have the roof done. That's got value, too.
New heating system (the "ancient" boiler has been replaced with a high-
efficiency multi-zone radiant heating system), restoration work in the
living areas, completely refinished the addition. The costs add up, but
the return is pretty good. I could point you at before and after
pictures if you were interested. :)
Jim
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:36:26 +0100, scott wrote:
>> So, about the same speed that I get in Westminster. Mine varies between
>> 36 and 48 Mb/s. OTOH we haven't been given optical fibre yet, which is
>> a bit odd considering the number of MPs etc who live here. When BT
>> finally gets around to doing us, I expect speeds to increase by an
>> order of magnitude.
>
> You should be grateful with what you have :-P On a good day I can get
> just above 3 Mb/s...
About the same here, too...
Jim
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>> The walls are made of cardboard, so you can't actually attach anything
>> to them. (Not if you don't want the entire wall to crack in half,
>> anyway.) So everything has to be bookcases and the like.
>
> Ah, yes, paneling - we've got some of that in our place - it's attached
> to sheetrock, but I could see that being a problem.
Basically each wall is a sheet of plasterboard. So, looks pretty, but no
sound damping, and you can't make any holes in it. (It'll just snap in
half.)
My mum's house is made of, you know, BRICKS and stuff. At night I do
feel a little bit vulnerable sitting in this cardboard display case with
no curtains and nothing but some plaster between me and the big bad
world out there...
>> I'm hoping this place will be cool in summer - the Sun never faces it.
>> But it's not very warm right now with no curtains... I'd turn the
>> heating on more, but without curtains I'm just pouring money down the
>> drain.
>
> Are the windows single- or double-glazed? Curtains may not make that
> much difference if they're double.
It's all double-glazed. Never the less, the bedroom is significantly
colder than the rest of the flat. And the single tiny radiator there
takes much longer to get warm - presumably since it's at the opposite
end of the building. So right now my kitchen is like a sauna, but the
place where I actually want to sleep is still too cold. (And cools down
rather quickly once I turn the heating off, which is the alarming part.)
Having said that, it's warmer since I turned my PC back on and set four
instances of POV-Ray running. (I've lost about two weeks of render time
due to this move...)
>> The flat comes with an owner's manual of sorts - a folder with sections
>> for everything you would ever need to know. Trouble is, it was clearly
>> compiled by the builders. So it contains the manual for the boiler they
>> installed, not the new one it was replaced with.
>
> Got a model number and manufacturer for the new one?
Well, I found the manual for the actual boiler laying around in a
cupboard. I still don't have a manual for the timer controls though.
Weird thing is, it says Honeywell on it - I thought they went out of
business about 30 years ago...
>> No matter what your woes, somebody else always has a bigger problem.
>> Why, I just spoke to my ex-girlfriend, and her sister died yesterday.
>> What do you even SAY to something like that??
>
> "I'm sorry for your loss" or "Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that" is usually a
> good place to start. That is sad news indeed. I find that some people
> enjoy talking about the person who passed away, others want to be
> distracted. Listening is usually good.
When I heard she had leukaemia, I wasn't sure what to say. A few months
later they diagnosed liver cancer. Last week they added brain cancer to
the list... There's really not a lot you can say to that. And now she's
actually dead. Everyone responds differently; I think Lynn just wants to
be left alone right now. She's probably got a dozen people offering her
their sympathies.
On a happier note, she visited my flat last weekend, and seemed
impressed with it. And hopefully I've got another visitor tomorrow...
>> Sometimes I like to think of moving from one American state to another
>> as being like moving between European countries. I gather they're
>> approximately the same size...
>
> Depends on the state. Here in Salt Lake City (and the surrounding towns)
> there's about a million people. Seattle's about the same size, but
> different politics, climate, ... pretty much everything. :)
...just like another country. ;-)
>>> That's one of the nice things about owning a place and fixing it up -
>>> you can make money on it when you sell it. :)
>>
>> Interesting. I assumed that you always lose a huge chunk of money when
>> you sell a property - pretty much like anything else you can buy...
>
> Oh, no, property values can (and do) go up. I bought my first place out
> here in the mid-90's, paid about $89K for it (well, the bank did, and I
> paid them back when I sold the place and we moved in 2001. The new place
> cost roughly double that (I think about $160K when all was said and
> done), and our realtor tells us that we should be able to get about $325K
> for it when we finish the last few little things that need finishing (a
> couple hardwood floors to professionally clean and refinish, and a little
> bit of painting).
How does that work out after you correct for inflation?
> A lot of it has to do with supply and demand. Right now around here,
> it's a seller's market (there are more people wanting to move in than are
> wanting to leave), so you can ask a higher price.
I figure if you buy a property that's almost brand-new, once you sell
it, it's not brand-new any more, hence drastically less desirable. Also
half this block of flats appears to be empty currently, so...
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:50:21 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> The walls are made of cardboard, so you can't actually attach anything
>>> to them. (Not if you don't want the entire wall to crack in half,
>>> anyway.) So everything has to be bookcases and the like.
>>
>> Ah, yes, paneling - we've got some of that in our place - it's attached
>> to sheetrock, but I could see that being a problem.
>
> Basically each wall is a sheet of plasterboard. So, looks pretty, but no
> sound damping, and you can't make any holes in it. (It'll just snap in
> half.)
I imagine the landlord won't let you put holes in it, though it certainly
is possible to drill holes in it. But hanging stuff from the holes can
be a bit tricky unless you use an anchor. :)
> My mum's house is made of, you know, BRICKS and stuff. At night I do
> feel a little bit vulnerable sitting in this cardboard display case with
> no curtains and nothing but some plaster between me and the big bad
> world out there...
Yeah, curtains should probably be on your "to buy" list sooner rather
than later.
>>> I'm hoping this place will be cool in summer - the Sun never faces it.
>>> But it's not very warm right now with no curtains... I'd turn the
>>> heating on more, but without curtains I'm just pouring money down the
>>> drain.
>>
>> Are the windows single- or double-glazed? Curtains may not make that
>> much difference if they're double.
>
> It's all double-glazed. Never the less, the bedroom is significantly
> colder than the rest of the flat. And the single tiny radiator there
> takes much longer to get warm - presumably since it's at the opposite
> end of the building. So right now my kitchen is like a sauna, but the
> place where I actually want to sleep is still too cold. (And cools down
> rather quickly once I turn the heating off, which is the alarming part.)
> Having said that, it's warmer since I turned my PC back on and set four
> instances of POV-Ray running. (I've lost about two weeks of render time
> due to this move...)
That's one way to get the temperature up. What kind of temperature do
you find you sleep best at? After growing up in Minnesota with my dad -
"the miser" (he grew up during the great depression) - he'd turn the heat
off at night. I froze my butt off every night, and swore than when I got
my own place, I'd not turn the heat off.
Wouldn't you know, I couldn't sleep with the heat on? I have to have it
around 55 degrees F in order to get a decent night's sleep.
>>> The flat comes with an owner's manual of sorts - a folder with
>>> sections for everything you would ever need to know. Trouble is, it
>>> was clearly compiled by the builders. So it contains the manual for
>>> the boiler they installed, not the new one it was replaced with.
>>
>> Got a model number and manufacturer for the new one?
>
> Well, I found the manual for the actual boiler laying around in a
> cupboard. I still don't have a manual for the timer controls though.
>
> Weird thing is, it says Honeywell on it - I thought they went out of
> business about 30 years ago...
Nope, Honeywell is a Minnesota-based company, in fact - I went to middle
school ("Jr. High" as we called it then) near one of their manufacturing
plants. They make pretty decent thermostats.
Some programmable thermostats have a removable front panel that has basic
instructions on it (we've got two that are like that, but different makes/
models). If anything, there'll be a model number on it somewhere that
you can get to without taking it off the wall. Usually there's a
battery, too (unless in the UK they run off a 220v circuit, which seems
unlikely), so sometimes looking inside the battery cover might help find
that info.
>>> No matter what your woes, somebody else always has a bigger problem.
>>> Why, I just spoke to my ex-girlfriend, and her sister died yesterday.
>>> What do you even SAY to something like that??
>>
>> "I'm sorry for your loss" or "Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that" is usually
>> a good place to start. That is sad news indeed. I find that some
>> people enjoy talking about the person who passed away, others want to
>> be distracted. Listening is usually good.
>
> When I heard she had leukaemia, I wasn't sure what to say. A few months
> later they diagnosed liver cancer. Last week they added brain cancer to
> the list... There's really not a lot you can say to that. And now she's
> actually dead. Everyone responds differently; I think Lynn just wants to
> be left alone right now. She's probably got a dozen people offering her
> their sympathies.
Yeah, there really isn't much to say about it beyond "I'm sorry to hear
that, let me know if there's anything I can do for you". While she may
have lots of people offering sympathies, it generally never hurts to
acknowledge other people's pain. Sometimes not doing so can be seen as
being unsympathetic, too.
> On a happier note, she visited my flat last weekend, and seemed
> impressed with it. And hopefully I've got another visitor tomorrow...
That sounds good. :)
>>> Sometimes I like to think of moving from one American state to another
>>> as being like moving between European countries. I gather they're
>>> approximately the same size...
>>
>> Depends on the state. Here in Salt Lake City (and the surrounding
>> towns)
>> there's about a million people. Seattle's about the same size, but
>> different politics, climate, ... pretty much everything. :)
>
> ...just like another country. ;-)
Yep. :)
>>>> That's one of the nice things about owning a place and fixing it up -
>>>> you can make money on it when you sell it. :)
>>>
>>> Interesting. I assumed that you always lose a huge chunk of money when
>>> you sell a property - pretty much like anything else you can buy...
>>
>> Oh, no, property values can (and do) go up. I bought my first place
>> out here in the mid-90's, paid about $89K for it (well, the bank did,
>> and I paid them back when I sold the place and we moved in 2001. The
>> new place cost roughly double that (I think about $160K when all was
>> said and done), and our realtor tells us that we should be able to get
>> about $325K for it when we finish the last few little things that need
>> finishing (a couple hardwood floors to professionally clean and
>> refinish, and a little bit of painting).
>
> How does that work out after you correct for inflation?
I'll still end up ahead. We'll have about a year's worth of spare change
in the bank. The thing is, when you take a loan out for property, the
loan is for the purchase price, and that doesn't adjust with inflation.
So, we moved in here 12 years ago and had a loan for $145K or so (we had
enough of a down payment from the sale of the previous place that we
didn't have to borrow the entire amount). Today, we still owe on that
initial principal - about $120K or so, as I recall. So, when we pay the
loan off with the proceeds of the sale, we'll have about $200K from which
we'll pay the realtor's commission (about 5%-6% of the sale price
normally), a chunk comes out to pay off the equity line of credit that
paid for the roof and some of the other stuff, some to pay off other
debts we have, and our moving expenses. We figure we'll have enough to
replace our 14-year-old car as well and to pay rent on a flat in Seattle
that we think looks good to us for about a year - if I don't work at all
in that year (which I will).
We'd keep the car going if we could, but the brand was discontinued a few
years ago, and our mechanics (who used to work for the dealership we
bought it from) have said they're now starting to have trouble finding
parts. It's entirely possible we'll sell it to them to use as parts, but
I don't expect we'll get much for it.
>> A lot of it has to do with supply and demand. Right now around here,
>> it's a seller's market (there are more people wanting to move in than
>> are wanting to leave), so you can ask a higher price.
>
> I figure if you buy a property that's almost brand-new, once you sell
> it, it's not brand-new any more, hence drastically less desirable. Also
> half this block of flats appears to be empty currently, so...
So you shouldn't have many noise complaints from your neighbors if you
decide to listen to some music or watch TV. ;)
Our house was built in 1912, with an addition added in the 1960's. Real
estate valuation is different than, say, a car (which generally
depreciates). Again, it's supply and demand. If there are 10 people who
want to move into a neighborhood where there are only 3 houses up for
sale, those 10 people will determine the value of the property simply
because there's more demand than supply. That can actually drive
property values up.
But there are other things that add to property value - local schools,
available public transport, crime levels, access to parks and other green
spaces, "walkability" (ie, can you get to the shops by walking or do you
need to drive somewhere to get your groceries?), proximity to local
employers, and so on. The value isn't entirely in the specific property,
but in the surrounding neigbourhood. That's one reason why a real estate
agent will pull "comps" - prices on nearby "comparable" properties that
have recently sold. That gives the agent an idea as to what the going
prices are for houses like yours.
Then, too, there's improvements (as I mentioned before). The house I'm
in was built in 1912, but the roof was added in 2005 or so. The addition
was put on the house in the '60s, but we redid the floors, repainted the
walls, and modernized it. We fixed bad wiring (in fact the last of the
electrical work we need to do was done today), added an electrical sub-
panel and outlets to places where there weren't any previously.
So the outside walls are 1912, the floors are 1912, and many of the
interior walls are 1912, but some of the flooring is 2012/2013, some of
the interior design work is post-Y2K, we have original 1912 windows
(extremely rare, I understand) that were bricked over that we opened up.
There's a lot of space, and it can sell as a 4-bedroom house with a full
bath and two half-baths (no bathtub, just a shower in the two halves).
Also, not everyone wants "new". Some people prefer an older property
with "character". So value is also assigned based on what people want -
do they want to restore an old home, or live somewhere modern? We
actually *thought* we wanted to do a restoration, and we did (well, our
neighbor did a lot of the work, but that's another story), but it turns
out we want something modern and energy-efficient - and with a secure
entry area so strangers aren't coming up and knocking on our doors (like
happened yesterday, in what we can only work out was an attempt to see if
anyone was home so they could burgle the place - which is yet another
story).
Jim
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On 18/10/13 21:08, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 18/10/2013 20:36, Orchid Win7 v1 nous fit lire :
>> On 18/10/2013 10:36 AM, scott wrote:
>>> You should be grateful with what you have :-P On a good day I can get
>>> just above 3 Mb/s...
>>
>> Yeah, I was under the impression most of the country uses ADSL2, which
>> tops out at 8 Mb/s. I'm not actually sure how it's even *possible* to
>> have 40 Mb/s...
>
> ADSL2+ tops at 20 Mb/s IP (or 28Mb/s ATM) for download, max 1Mb/s upload
> France allowed VDSL2 since 1 October 2013... if you are shorter than
> 1200m, it can provide far better rate. IIRC, 200Mb/s down and 50Mb/s
> up... if you are next to the NRA and the NRA is VDSL2 compatible...
> Half them for reality at less than 500 m of the NRA.
>
>
> Next to the NRA: rather: have direct access to it, your line being
> inside it!
>
> Now, the usual NRA is up to 6000 m radius large, so the probability that
> you are less than 1200m from it is about 1/25 : 1 out of 25 house will
> be happy of VDSL2. On a city of 20 000 houses, that's not a so big
> number. (800)
>
>
Please note, I said 36-48 Mb/s _not_ MB/s
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>> Basically each wall is a sheet of plasterboard. So, looks pretty, but no
>> sound damping, and you can't make any holes in it. (It'll just snap in
>> half.)
>
> I imagine the landlord won't let you put holes in it, though it certainly
> is possible to drill holes in it. But hanging stuff from the holes can
> be a bit tricky unless you use an anchor. :)
Some of the stuff already on the wall is falling off it. :-S
> Yeah, curtains should probably be on your "to buy" list sooner rather
> than later.
Indeed. Actually, since my grandparents owned their own company making
custom curtains sold the world over, I think I know where I can get
quality curtains. Trouble is, the flimsy little curtain poles I've got
would be ripped straight off the wall. (Besides, who the hell wants
their curtains hanging a foot away from the wall so it lets the light in
around the edges??) I need to buy and put up some proper curtain rails.
Looks like the space above the windows might actually be structural, so
I can attach stuff to it...
>> Having said that, it's warmer since I turned my PC back on and set four
>> instances of POV-Ray running. (I've lost about two weeks of render time
>> due to this move...)
>
> That's one way to get the temperature up. What kind of temperature do
> you find you sleep best at?
It seems I feel some comfortable (day and night) when the thermometer
says between 21°C and 23°C. Below 20°C and I'm actually shivering. Above
24°C is too hot.
> Wouldn't you know, I couldn't sleep with the heat on? I have to have it
> around 55 degrees F in order to get a decent night's sleep.
Hehe, you Americans and your obsolete measurement systems...
>> Weird thing is, it says Honeywell on it - I thought they went out of
>> business about 30 years ago...
>
> Nope, Honeywell is a Minnesota-based company, in fact - I went to middle
> school ("Jr. High" as we called it then) near one of their manufacturing
> plants. They make pretty decent thermostats.
Mmm, OK.
Is it true they once made computational devices? Because that seems like
a pretty random product combination - heating systems and computers...
> Some programmable thermostats have a removable front panel that has basic
> instructions on it (we've got two that are like that, but different makes/
> models). If anything, there'll be a model number on it somewhere that
> you can get to without taking it off the wall. Usually there's a
> battery, too (unless in the UK they run off a 220v circuit, which seems
> unlikely), so sometimes looking inside the battery cover might help find
> that info.
No instructions, but under the front plate there's a model number. I
imagine it shouldn't be hard to locate the instructions. That's what we
did with the washing machine. (Which, incidentally, has a drying
function. I've never heard of such a thing before...)
>>> Oh, no, property values can (and do) go up. I bought my first place
>>> out here in the mid-90's, paid about $89K for it (well, the bank did,
>>> and I paid them back when I sold the place and we moved in 2001. The
>>> new place cost roughly double that (I think about $160K when all was
>>> said and done), and our realtor tells us that we should be able to get
>>> about $325K for it when we finish the last few little things that need
>>> finishing (a couple hardwood floors to professionally clean and
>>> refinish, and a little bit of painting).
>>
>> How does that work out after you correct for inflation?
>
> I'll still end up ahead. We'll have about a year's worth of spare change
> in the bank. The thing is, when you take a loan out for property, the
> loan is for the purchase price, and that doesn't adjust with inflation.
No, but the interest on the loan is 18x inflation. ;-)
>> I figure if you buy a property that's almost brand-new, once you sell
>> it, it's not brand-new any more, hence drastically less desirable. Also
>> half this block of flats appears to be empty currently, so...
>
> So you shouldn't have many noise complaints from your neighbors if you
> decide to listen to some music or watch TV. ;)
Having been threatened with physical violence for DARING to park in
somebody else's space, I'm not going to risk it.
> Our house was built in 1912, with an addition added in the 1960's. Real
> estate valuation is different than, say, a car (which generally
> depreciates).
Few things depreciate faster than computers. ;-) I bought a £250 CPU. I
was thinking about selling it - until I realised that AMD still
manufacture it, and you can buy it retail boxed for £21.
That's 1/11th of the original price I paid. *Clearly* no sane person is
going to buy a second-hand CPU when they can get it brand new with
manufacturer's guarantee for less than the cost of postage...
But, in general, most things seem to become more worthless the older
they are. (Including me, sadly...)
> Again, it's supply and demand. If there are 10 people who
> want to move into a neighborhood where there are only 3 houses up for
> sale, those 10 people will determine the value of the property simply
> because there's more demand than supply. That can actually drive
> property values up.
And if there's already lots of empty flats?
> But there are other things that add to property value - local schools,
> available public transport, crime levels, access to parks and other green
> spaces, "walkability" (ie, can you get to the shops by walking or do you
> need to drive somewhere to get your groceries?), proximity to local
> employers, and so on. The value isn't entirely in the specific property,
> but in the surrounding neigbourhood. That's one reason why a real estate
> agent will pull "comps" - prices on nearby "comparable" properties that
> have recently sold. That gives the agent an idea as to what the going
> prices are for houses like yours.
OK, so I now live on the shore of an artificial lake in an idyllic green
parkland, with various water-sports centres and so forth. This end of
the city is still fairly green in general, although they're slowing
building on it.
Since this grid-square is half under water, there are no local shops.
I've yet to work out where the nearest local shop is. There are various
supermarkets in various directions, if you want to drive. Basically I
don't really know my way around this side of the city yet; I've lived in
the western corner all my life, and never really come out this way much.
(As I say, there's not much here.)
Everybody seems to *say* this is a low-crime area. Then again, none of
those people live hear. Last weekend some lovely chaps smashed several
glass bottles in the middle of the car park, which I then had to drive
over. But overall it seems *reasonably* low-crime.
> Then, too, there's improvements (as I mentioned before).
It's a block of flats. You can't really do much to it.
> Also, not everyone wants "new". Some people prefer an older property
> with "character".
I'm not sure a government-funded block of cheap flats is what most
people would call "character".
But hey, I ain't trying to sell this place just yet!
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:54:24 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> I imagine the landlord won't let you put holes in it, though it
>> certainly is possible to drill holes in it. But hanging stuff from the
>> holes can be a bit tricky unless you use an anchor. :)
>
> Some of the stuff already on the wall is falling off it. :-S
Probably no anchors for the stuff. :)
>> Yeah, curtains should probably be on your "to buy" list sooner rather
>> than later.
>
> Indeed. Actually, since my grandparents owned their own company making
> custom curtains sold the world over, I think I know where I can get
> quality curtains. Trouble is, the flimsy little curtain poles I've got
> would be ripped straight off the wall. (Besides, who the hell wants
> their curtains hanging a foot away from the wall so it lets the light in
> around the edges??) I need to buy and put up some proper curtain rails.
> Looks like the space above the windows might actually be structural, so
> I can attach stuff to it...
Normally across the top of a window you'll find structural wood that's
sufficient for attaching the rails. Building codes being what they are,
you can't have a hole in the wall (which is what a window is) without
structure to hold the rest of the wall up. Have you seen pictures of
building construction (or, for that matter, buildings being constructed)?
You can pick out where the windows are even if they're not installed yet
because of how the structure is built.
>>> Having said that, it's warmer since I turned my PC back on and set
>>> four instances of POV-Ray running. (I've lost about two weeks of
>>> render time due to this move...)
>>
>> That's one way to get the temperature up. What kind of temperature do
>> you find you sleep best at?
>
> It seems I feel some comfortable (day and night) when the thermometer
> says between 21°C and 23°C. Below 20°C and I'm actually shivering. Above
> 24°C is too hot.
But when you go to sleep, you have blankets and sheets, too. A cooler
temperature is usually a good thing.
>> Wouldn't you know, I couldn't sleep with the heat on? I have to have
>> it around 55 degrees F in order to get a decent night's sleep.
>
> Hehe, you Americans and your obsolete measurement systems...
It's what we're used to. You use miles rather than kilometers, so you're
only partially on a sensible system. We inherited our system from you. ;)
~11°C - though maybe 60°F (~14°C), if you must. ;) (Not precise - if you
want that, Google can convert it for you - I'm just doing a quick
conversion with a division by 2 rather than multiplying by 9/5 because
I'm lazy).
>>> Weird thing is, it says Honeywell on it - I thought they went out of
>>> business about 30 years ago...
>>
>> Nope, Honeywell is a Minnesota-based company, in fact - I went to
>> middle school ("Jr. High" as we called it then) near one of their
>> manufacturing plants. They make pretty decent thermostats.
>
> Mmm, OK.
>
> Is it true they once made computational devices? Because that seems like
> a pretty random product combination - heating systems and computers...
Yep, they did/do. They're a technology company, but the consumer
products most people run into are thermostats.
>> Some programmable thermostats have a removable front panel that has
>> basic instructions on it (we've got two that are like that, but
>> different makes/
>> models). If anything, there'll be a model number on it somewhere that
>> you can get to without taking it off the wall. Usually there's a
>> battery, too (unless in the UK they run off a 220v circuit, which seems
>> unlikely), so sometimes looking inside the battery cover might help
>> find that info.
>
> No instructions, but under the front plate there's a model number. I
> imagine it shouldn't be hard to locate the instructions. That's what we
> did with the washing machine. (Which, incidentally, has a drying
> function. I've never heard of such a thing before...)
A combo washer/dryer - that sounds handy. I think that's what our
friends in High Wycombe have.
But good, that's a step in the right direction to figuring out how to use
the thing.
>>>> Oh, no, property values can (and do) go up. I bought my first place
>>>> out here in the mid-90's, paid about $89K for it (well, the bank did,
>>>> and I paid them back when I sold the place and we moved in 2001. The
>>>> new place cost roughly double that (I think about $160K when all was
>>>> said and done), and our realtor tells us that we should be able to
>>>> get about $325K for it when we finish the last few little things that
>>>> need finishing (a couple hardwood floors to professionally clean and
>>>> refinish, and a little bit of painting).
>>>
>>> How does that work out after you correct for inflation?
>>
>> I'll still end up ahead. We'll have about a year's worth of spare
>> change in the bank. The thing is, when you take a loan out for
>> property, the loan is for the purchase price, and that doesn't adjust
>> with inflation.
>
> No, but the interest on the loan is 18x inflation. ;-)
No, because the interest is calculated based on the purchase price.
6.25% of 140,000 is the same regardless of the rate of inflation.
>>> I figure if you buy a property that's almost brand-new, once you sell
>>> it, it's not brand-new any more, hence drastically less desirable.
>>> Also half this block of flats appears to be empty currently, so...
>>
>> So you shouldn't have many noise complaints from your neighbors if you
>> decide to listen to some music or watch TV. ;)
>
> Having been threatened with physical violence for DARING to park in
> somebody else's space, I'm not going to risk it.
That's reasonable, though it seems that the threat of physical violence
is a bit over the top. I might be disinclined to invite that particular
neighbor over to the housewarming party. Then again, maybe they were
having a bad day (it's not like that never happens).
>> Our house was built in 1912, with an addition added in the 1960's.
>> Real estate valuation is different than, say, a car (which generally
>> depreciates).
>
> Few things depreciate faster than computers. ;-) I bought a £250 CPU. I
> was thinking about selling it - until I realised that AMD still
> manufacture it, and you can buy it retail boxed for £21.
>
> That's 1/11th of the original price I paid. *Clearly* no sane person is
> going to buy a second-hand CPU when they can get it brand new with
> manufacturer's guarantee for less than the cost of postage...
That's because of the advance in technology, and people buying computers
value the latest and greatest.
People buying real estate, though, have other factors they're considering.
The counterexample to your CPU example is the Mona Lisa, or a Stradavarius
violin. Obviously those items are things that the value has not gone
down for over the years.
> But, in general, most things seem to become more worthless the older
> they are. (Including me, sadly...)
OK, knock that shit off right now. I mean it. :)
>> Again, it's supply and demand. If there are 10 people who want to move
>> into a neighborhood where there are only 3 houses up for sale, those 10
>> people will determine the value of the property simply because there's
>> more demand than supply. That can actually drive property values up.
>
> And if there's already lots of empty flats?
Then the price is lower, but it still is higher now than it was 20 years
ago, partially because of inflation, and partly because of other
environmental factors (see below).
>> But there are other things that add to property value - local schools,
>> available public transport, crime levels, access to parks and other
>> green spaces, "walkability" (ie, can you get to the shops by walking or
>> do you need to drive somewhere to get your groceries?), proximity to
>> local employers, and so on. The value isn't entirely in the specific
>> property, but in the surrounding neigbourhood. That's one reason why a
>> real estate agent will pull "comps" - prices on nearby "comparable"
>> properties that have recently sold. That gives the agent an idea as to
>> what the going prices are for houses like yours.
>
> OK, so I now live on the shore of an artificial lake in an idyllic green
> parkland, with various water-sports centres and so forth. This end of
> the city is still fairly green in general, although they're slowing
> building on it.
Sounds like a nice area.
> Since this grid-square is half under water, there are no local shops.
> I've yet to work out where the nearest local shop is. There are various
> supermarkets in various directions, if you want to drive. Basically I
> don't really know my way around this side of the city yet; I've lived in
> the western corner all my life, and never really come out this way much.
> (As I say, there's not much here.)
Some people prefer having the shops farther away, too - because it means
you don't have non-local traffic in the neighborhood (which can affect
crime). We had a big argument in our local community about the grocery
store that's half a mile or so up the road from us putting in a fuel
station. The concern was that the neighborhood would see a lot more
traffic from outside the neighborhood because of the gas station, and we
already have parking problems here (there are shops up there as well, and
there's insufficient parking). The businesses love it, generally,
because it's drawing more customers in for them. But the residents
generally don't like it because - especially for those who live near the
shops - if they park on the street, there may be customers parked in
front of their house. Harder to have visitors over, etc.
> Everybody seems to *say* this is a low-crime area. Then again, none of
> those people live hear. Last weekend some lovely chaps smashed several
> glass bottles in the middle of the car park, which I then had to drive
> over. But overall it seems *reasonably* low-crime.
Well, yeah, "low-crime" doesn't mean "crime-free". Our neighborhood is
generally a low crime area as well, but we've had a string of burglaries
(in fact, on Thursday we think someone attempted to burgle our home - but
we were here, much to their surprise). The technique used requires two
people - one person rings the front bell, the other goes around to the
back door. If they don't get an answer, they assume the owners aren't
home, and they break in and steal jewelry (typically - easier to hide
than other stuff).
But we don't tend to answer our door if we're not expecting anyone,
because we don't deal with door-to-door salespeople, missionaries, etc
(we have a "no solicitations" sign up in the front window).
Amy answered the back door when they started knocking on it, and the
woman there asked for directions to an address over a mile away from here
- and SLC streets are a grid, so finding an address is trivially easy.
If you're on 1000 S 900 E and the address is at 500 E 700 S, finding the
address is pretty easy - 4 blocks west (900 E - 500 E) and 3 blocks north
(1000 S - 700 S). You have to be pretty dumb not to understand that.
And besides, who goes around to the back door of a house to ask for
directions when the front door isn't answered?
The woman at the front door rang the bell a second time, and I answered
it, and got a completely different story. She was asking for a
"Kimberly" (nobody here by that name), and then changed stories and said
that she'd dropped her kid sister off here 3 days ago and hadn't heard
from her since. But if you have a missing family member, you don't go
looking after 3 days, you call the cops and file a missing persons report.
Then the one from the back left and got in a car, and her accomplice at
the front door left at that point and got into the same car and they
drove off.
>> Then, too, there's improvements (as I mentioned before).
>
> It's a block of flats. You can't really do much to it.
Well, yeah, flats are different than a house.
>> Also, not everyone wants "new". Some people prefer an older property
>> with "character".
>
> I'm not sure a government-funded block of cheap flats is what most
> people would call "character".
>
> But hey, I ain't trying to sell this place just yet!
When you do get ready to, just ask the landlord what you can/can't do. :)
Jim
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On 19/10/2013 8:02 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:54:24 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
>>> Nope, Honeywell is a Minnesota-based company, in fact - I went to
>>> middle school ("Jr. High" as we called it then) near one of their
>>> manufacturing plants. They make pretty decent thermostats.
>>
>> Mmm, OK.
>>
>> Is it true they once made computational devices? Because that seems like
>> a pretty random product combination - heating systems and computers...
>
> Yep, they did/do. They're a technology company, but the consumer
> products most people run into are thermostats.
>
My first real job was with Honeywell, testing PCBs for the H 316.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_316
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Stephen
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:10:15 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 19/10/2013 8:02 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:54:24 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>
>>>> Nope, Honeywell is a Minnesota-based company, in fact - I went to
>>>> middle school ("Jr. High" as we called it then) near one of their
>>>> manufacturing plants. They make pretty decent thermostats.
>>>
>>> Mmm, OK.
>>>
>>> Is it true they once made computational devices? Because that seems
>>> like a pretty random product combination - heating systems and
>>> computers...
>>
>> Yep, they did/do. They're a technology company, but the consumer
>> products most people run into are thermostats.
>>
>>
> My first real job was with Honeywell, testing PCBs for the H 316.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_316
Now you mention it, I think you'd mentioned that before. :) They have/
had locations all over the place - I've got a friend in Arizona who
worked for them there as well - about 30 years ago.
Jim
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On 18/10/13 22:32, Jim Henderson wrote:
> plants. They make pretty decent thermostats.
>
Not the one in my living room. It's failed.
I am, of course, kidding. It's failed (its very old) but failed _on_
which is better than failing _off_ - I'd rather cook than freeze. With a
bit of luck the engineer will turn up on time on Monday.
John
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:47:31 +0100, Doctor John wrote:
> On 18/10/13 22:32, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> plants. They make pretty decent thermostats.
>>
> Not the one in my living room. It's failed.
>
> I am, of course, kidding. It's failed (its very old) but failed _on_
> which is better than failing _off_ - I'd rather cook than freeze. With a
> bit of luck the engineer will turn up on time on Monday.
That someone's coming out, though, is nice - we've replaced ours
ourselves in the past. :)
Jim
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On 20/10/13 00:53, Jim Henderson wrote:
> That someone's coming out, though, is nice - we've replaced ours
> ourselves in the past. :)
>
> Jim
>
Keeping my fingers crossed
John
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On 19/10/2013 11:03 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:10:15 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>
>> My first real job was with Honeywell, testing PCBs for the H 316.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_316
>
> Now you mention it, I think you'd mentioned that before. :) They have/
> had locations all over the place - I've got a friend in Arizona who
> worked for them there as well - about 30 years ago.
>
I have a soft spot for the company, I learned boolean logic, how to
solder and made my first amplifier there. (We we encouraged to do
"homers" as it increased our skills.)
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>>> That's one way to get the temperature up. What kind of temperature do
>>> you find you sleep best at?
>>
>> It seems I feel some comfortable (day and night) when the thermometer
>> says between 21°C and 23°C. Below 20°C and I'm actually shivering. Above
>> 24°C is too hot.
>
> But when you go to sleep, you have blankets and sheets, too. A cooler
> temperature is usually a good thing.
I find if it's below 20°C or so, I have a still neck the next day.
>> Hehe, you Americans and your obsolete measurement systems...
>
> It's what we're used to. You use miles rather than kilometers, so you're
> only partially on a sensible system. We inherited our system from you. ;)
Yeah, well, we're working on it. ;-)
>> No instructions, but under the front plate there's a model number. I
>> imagine it shouldn't be hard to locate the instructions. That's what we
>> did with the washing machine. (Which, incidentally, has a drying
>> function. I've never heard of such a thing before...)
>
> A combo washer/dryer - that sounds handy. I think that's what our
> friends in High Wycombe have.
Yeah, from what I hear, having a machine with both functions just means
it does each of them less well than a dedicated device. But hey, it took
a while to clean it, but it now seems to wash my clothes quite well.
(Initially they came out dirtier than they went in!)
>> Few things depreciate faster than computers. ;-) I bought a £250 CPU. I
>> was thinking about selling it - until I realised that AMD still
>> manufacture it, and you can buy it retail boxed for £21.
>
> That's because of the advance in technology, and people buying computers
> value the latest and greatest.
>
> People buying real estate, though, have other factors they're considering.
>
> The counterexample to your CPU example is the Mona Lisa, or a Stradavarius
> violin. Obviously those items are things that the value has not gone
> down for over the years.
Thing is, they don't constantly produce new Mona Lisas - in fact, there
is only one in the entire world. Houses, on the other hand, are
constantly being built. (Though, again, location counts for something.)
>> Since this grid-square is half under water, there are no local shops.
>
> Some people prefer having the shops farther away, too - because it means
> you don't have non-local traffic in the neighborhood (which can affect
> crime).
In MK, what they generally do is that each residential grid square has
its own bunch of shops. So everybody just goes to their own local shops.
(And then there are the retail grid squares, which have larger shops
that people travel to. But nobody lives there.) It's actually quite an
efficient system - which is why the county council is dedicated to
getting rid of it ASAP.
>>> Then, too, there's improvements (as I mentioned before).
>>
>> It's a block of flats. You can't really do much to it.
>
> Well, yeah, flats are different than a house.
Well hey, like I said, I hopefully won't be selling it for a very long
time. I haven't finished moving in yet!
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:45:34 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> But when you go to sleep, you have blankets and sheets, too. A cooler
>> temperature is usually a good thing.
>
> I find if it's below 20°C or so, I have a still neck the next day.
Interesting, I've not heard of that. :)
>>> Hehe, you Americans and your obsolete measurement systems...
>>
>> It's what we're used to. You use miles rather than kilometers, so
>> you're only partially on a sensible system. We inherited our system
>> from you. ;)
>
> Yeah, well, we're working on it. ;-)
I guess we're just letting you be the guinea pigs. ;)
> Yeah, from what I hear, having a machine with both functions just means
> it does each of them less well than a dedicated device. But hey, it took
> a while to clean it, but it now seems to wash my clothes quite well.
> (Initially they came out dirtier than they went in!)
How long was the flat vacant before you moved in?
>> The counterexample to your CPU example is the Mona Lisa, or a
>> Stradavarius violin. Obviously those items are things that the value
>> has not gone down for over the years.
>
> Thing is, they don't constantly produce new Mona Lisas - in fact, there
> is only one in the entire world. Houses, on the other hand, are
> constantly being built. (Though, again, location counts for something.)
Well, not new Mona Lisas, but certainly new art is being created every
day.
>>> Since this grid-square is half under water, there are no local shops.
>>
>> Some people prefer having the shops farther away, too - because it
>> means you don't have non-local traffic in the neighborhood (which can
>> affect crime).
>
> In MK, what they generally do is that each residential grid square has
> its own bunch of shops. So everybody just goes to their own local shops.
> (And then there are the retail grid squares, which have larger shops
> that people travel to. But nobody lives there.) It's actually quite an
> efficient system - which is why the county council is dedicated to
> getting rid of it ASAP.
Well, with the population, I don't know that you could say definitively
that "everyone" does this, but certainly people would tend to go locally.
>>>> Then, too, there's improvements (as I mentioned before).
>>>
>>> It's a block of flats. You can't really do much to it.
>>
>> Well, yeah, flats are different than a house.
>
> Well hey, like I said, I hopefully won't be selling it for a very long
> time. I haven't finished moving in yet!
:)
Jim
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> Basically each wall is a sheet of plasterboard. So, looks pretty, but no
> sound damping, and you can't make any holes in it. (It'll just snap in
> half.)
In newer houses (<20yrs) all walls are plasterboard (spaced out from the
bricks if it's a supporting wall), so you'll have to get used to it and
learn how to fix stuff to them. It's not like nobody in modern houses
fixes stuff to walls.
You can use these:
http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/project_images/fixingtoplasterboard/1923_l.jpg
or these - especially good if it's old plasterboard that's a bit crumbly:
http://www.ffx.co.uk/Content/images/tools/FORTOG350.jpg
You'd be surprised how much weight they can support. 4 or 6 of them will
hold a big TV *easily*. I use them for everything, shelves, mirrors,
desks, pictures, bookcases etc - never had anything fall down.
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>> You should be grateful with what you have :-P On a good day I can get
>> just above 3 Mb/s...
>
> Yeah, I was under the impression most of the country uses ADSL2, which
> tops out at 8 Mb/s. I'm not actually sure how it's even *possible* to
> have 40 Mb/s...
VDSL2
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On 18/10/13 21:08, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Now, the usual NRA is up to 6000 m radius large, so the probability that
> you are less than 1200m from it is about 1/25 : 1 out of 25 house will
> be happy of VDSL2.
I live less than 500 metres from the exchange serving me.
> On a city of 20 000 houses, that's not a so big
> number. (800)
>
That assumes a very low population density: 1 person/2,300 square
metres. The density here is 1 person/91 square metres and that's only at
night when everyone is at home. During the day the population (of
Westminster) rises from 236,000 to over 1,000,000.
John (getting a peak of 54 Mb/s atm)
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> Now, the usual NRA is up to 6000 m radius large, so the probability that
> you are less than 1200m from it is about 1/25 : 1 out of 25 house will
> be happy of VDSL2.
In the UK fibre-to-cabinet is in a lot of places now, so it's your
distance to the nearest cabinet in the street that's important, not the
exchange. In most cases people are very much closer than 1200m to their
cabinet, so essentially everyone gets those high speeds.
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On 21/10/13 12:55, scott wrote:
> In the UK fibre-to-cabinet is in a lot of places now, so it's your
> distance to the nearest cabinet in the street that's important, not the
> exchange. In most cases people are very much closer than 1200m to their
> cabinet, so essentially everyone gets those high speeds.
>
Good point. I'm probably less than 50m from the cabinet serving the
block I live in. The Kat (my gf) is even luckier - the cabinet serving
her is just outside the gate to her complex's courtyard and the
buildings were were built with fibre installed. I'm still reliant on
copper; it'll cost a fortune to install fibre in the building.
John
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On 21/10/13 13:59, Doctor John wrote:
> On 21/10/13 12:55, scott wrote:
>> In the UK fibre-to-cabinet is in a lot of places now, so it's your
>> distance to the nearest cabinet in the street that's important, not the
>> exchange. In most cases people are very much closer than 1200m to their
>> cabinet, so essentially everyone gets those high speeds.
>>
> Good point. I'm probably less than 50m from the cabinet serving the
> block I live in. The Kat (my gf) is even luckier - the cabinet serving
> her is just outside the gate to her complex's courtyard and the
> buildings were were built with fibre installed. I'm still reliant on
> copper; it'll cost a fortune to install fibre in the building.
>
> John
>
Have just checked, I've got FTTC (fibre to cabinet). If I want more
speed, I'll need FTTP. Who's responsible for that, BT or the consumer?
John
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On 21/10/2013 10:03 AM, scott wrote:
>> Basically each wall is a sheet of plasterboard. So, looks pretty, but no
>> sound damping, and you can't make any holes in it. (It'll just snap in
>> half.)
>
> In newer houses (<20yrs) all walls are plasterboard (spaced out from the
> bricks if it's a supporting wall), so you'll have to get used to it and
> learn how to fix stuff to them. It's not like nobody in modern houses
> fixes stuff to walls.
I assumed it was only *cheap* houses where they do this. (Then again,
it's not like I'm a housing expert...)
> You can use these:
>
> http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/project_images/fixingtoplasterboard/1923_l.jpg
Yeah, we tried that. Trouble is, you don't know where the wooden battens
are hiding...
> You'd be surprised how much weight they can support. 4 or 6 of them will
> hold a big TV *easily*. I use them for everything, shelves, mirrors,
> desks, pictures, bookcases etc - never had anything fall down.
Like I say, the weight of a mere toilet roll holder was enough to break
one fixing... Not holding out much hope for anything heavier than a
picture frame not breaking the wall beyond repair.
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On 21/10/2013 12:55 PM, scott wrote:
> In the UK fibre-to-cabinet is in a lot of places now, so it's your
> distance to the nearest cabinet in the street that's important, not the
> exchange. In most cases people are very much closer than 1200m to their
> cabinet, so essentially everyone gets those high speeds.
Only where that infrastructure has been installed. ;-)
(Fortunately, that now includes most of MK...)
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On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:48:40 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> You can use these:
>>
>> http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/project_images/
fixingtoplasterboard/1923_l.jpg
>
> Yeah, we tried that. Trouble is, you don't know where the wooden battens
> are hiding...
Google "stud finder" - that's what you need to ensure that the anchor
isn't being screwed into one of the studs.
Jim
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On 21/10/2013 07:52 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Google "stud finder"
Do NOT try this at work. ;-)
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On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:33:49 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 21/10/2013 07:52 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Google "stud finder"
>
> Do NOT try this at work. ;-)
I wondered how long it would be before someone suggested something like
that. ;)
Jim
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>> Do NOT try this at work. ;-)
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> I wondered how long it would be before someone suggested something like
> that. ;)
It turns out that if you Google just about any Linux command name
prefixed by the word "man", you get the man-page for that command.
Unless, of course, that command is "trap".
Or "mount"...
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> I assumed it was only *cheap* houses where they do this. (Then again,
> it's not like I'm a housing expert...)
I'm no expert either, but I can think of two reasons why they space
plasterboard out from the blocks now rather than plaster the blocks
directly. One is that you can route power cables and water pipes in the
void (no need to chisel out block everywhere or use thicker cable
because it will be not be in free air). The other is that it probably
offers a bit more insulation on external walls.
>> http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/project_images/fixingtoplasterboard/1923_l.jpg
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> Yeah, we tried that. Trouble is, you don't know where the wooden battens
> are hiding...
You use an awl first (or a very small flat bladed screwdriver) to poke
through. If you hit wood then you can just use a normal wood screw, if
you hit air then you screw in one of the above. When you've made the
small hole it's also worth checking the depth to make sure the above
plug will fit all the way in. If it's not deep enough then you can clip
the pointy end off the plug (you don't need it as you've already made
the hole).
> Like I say, the weight of a mere toilet roll holder was enough to break
> one fixing...
IME the ones where you are meant to leave the screw sticking out 10mm
and hook something over don't last (especially something that gets
wiggled about every day). It's much better to only use the screw to
clamp the item against the wall, it's then the friction between the item
and wall holding it up, there should be minimal downwards loading on the
screw/fixing.
If it's only wrecked a small bit of plaster you can usually drill out a
bigger hole and use the flappy metal clip I suggested (I forget, but I
think they need a 10mm hole or something to fit through). The benefit of
those is that they force you to clamp a plate or bracket to the wall,
you can't just leave the screw sticking out 10mm to hang something on.
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>> In the UK fibre-to-cabinet is in a lot of places now, so it's your
>> distance to the nearest cabinet in the street that's important, not the
>> exchange. In most cases people are very much closer than 1200m to their
>> cabinet, so essentially everyone gets those high speeds.
>
> Only where that infrastructure has been installed. ;-)
>
> (Fortunately, that now includes most of MK...)
It seems to be rolling out to most places now, my exchange is pretty
much last on the list in my area according to the BT website :-( At
least its status changed from "no plans" to "under consideration" a
while back, so there is some hope...
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