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From: Invisible
Subject: Google is your friend
Date: 29 Aug 2012 07:08:29
Message: <503df82d$1@news.povray.org>
OK, so last week I had a call about a possible job in Oxford. That's a 
bit of a long way, but it's shorter than my current commute.

On Friday, I got a call to say that first I have to pass a test. On 
VB.Net, of all things. So, uh, yeah... That's totally going to work out 
then! :-P

What actually happened was that the agency sent me an email containing a 
Word document with several dozen VB questions. I then have 30 minutes to 
email back the document with the answers filled in. Now, obviously, I've 
never written anything in VB.Net. The closest I've come is that VBA 
script that took me 2 hours to write - the one that puts today's date in 
a certain cell when you click a button.

In summary, this test boils down to "how much stuff can you Google about 
VB.Net in just 30 minutes?"

After I sent that back, I got another test - this time, SQL Server. Now 
the job spec says you must have experience of "SQL", but I'm guessing 
they actually meant "SQL Server", which is something quite different. 
Suffice it to say, I know quite a lot about Oracle, but absolutely 
nothing about SQL Server. So, again, how much can you look up on Google 
in 30 minutes?

On both tests, the questions range from "what is the name of the 
function for X?" to "please describe how you would solve this moderately 
complex problem". In both cases, I left the latter sort of question 
completely blank. I couldn't actually find all the answers to the former 
sort either - not in the time allocated.

At this point, of course, I had just come back from that brilliant 
interview, and I thought that job was probably in the bag. I wasn't even 
all that interested in this job - especially if it somehow involves VB. 
So I didn't try especially hard.

Well, you can see where all this is going; apparently, in spite of my 
obviously abysmal performance on the test, the company wants to 
interview me. (??!) I can't imagine why. I mean, of all the tens of 
thousands of other people who applied, there must surely be a vast 
number of them who are way, /way/ better at VB than I am. (It is, after 
all, a language specifically aimed at lusers.) And yet they're still 
bothering to talk to me? Hmm...

 From what I can tell, the company in question sells gas and 
electricity, mainly to commercial customers, and they make a big deal 
about how green they are. She shall see. I'm not expecting great things 
from this interview... then again, I said that about the last one.

Man, I've had 2 interviews in the past 30 years, and now it looks like 
I've got 2 interviews within the same year of each other!


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 29 Aug 2012 16:32:09
Message: <503e7c49$1@news.povray.org>
On 29/08/2012 12:08 PM, Invisible wrote:
>
> In summary, this test boils down to "how much stuff can you Google about
> VB.Net in just 30 minutes?"
>

So! What is wrong with that?
I've been implementing SAP for 16 years and I use Google all the time. 
It is a tool of the trade, now. That and the F1 key.


> Man, I've had 2 interviews in the past 30 years, and now it looks like
> I've got 2 interviews within the same year of each other!

Good luck with it. :-D

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 29 Aug 2012 16:46:13
Message: <503e7f95$1@news.povray.org>
>> In summary, this test boils down to "how much stuff can you Google about
>> VB.Net in just 30 minutes?"
>>
>
> So! What is wrong with that?

I believe the purpose of the test was to find out if you *know* VB, not 
whether you can Google it really, really fast. ;-)

> It is a tool of the trade, now. That and the F1 key.

This makes me sad.

> Good luck with it. :-D

Thanks. Luck is what it'll take...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 29 Aug 2012 17:54:49
Message: <503e8fa9$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:46:20 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>>> In summary, this test boils down to "how much stuff can you Google
>>> about VB.Net in just 30 minutes?"
>>>
>>>
>> So! What is wrong with that?
> 
> I believe the purpose of the test was to find out if you *know* VB, not
> whether you can Google it really, really fast. ;-)

The purpose is to see if the candidate can get the job done.

Learning has in some ways moved on from "memorize/regurgitate" to "can I 
find the information I need quickly?".

It's like my former boss once said - if he wants to fix a hole in his 
roof, he's not going to take a course on roofing, he's going to search 
for a video that shows him just what he needs to know.

The ubiquity of the 'net has shifted how people learn and how people 
tackle tasks.  Many hiring managers want someone who can take something 
and run with it, even if it's something outside their experience.  Being 
able to effectively research stuff on the 'net (and that usually means 
using Google effectively) is a huge skill that's not explicitly asked for.

When I would do technical interviews, I'd ask questions I knew the 
candidates couldn't answer, because I wanted to find out how they would 
think about something outside their experience and how they'd research 
it.  I always found good candidates as a result.

>> Good luck with it. :-D
> 
> Thanks. Luck is what it'll take...

Yes, good luck indeed. :)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 30 Aug 2012 01:45:51
Message: <503efe0f@news.povray.org>
On 29/08/2012 9:46 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> In summary, this test boils down to "how much stuff can you Google about
>>> VB.Net in just 30 minutes?"
>>>
>>
>> So! What is wrong with that?
>
> I believe the purpose of the test was to find out if you *know* VB,

That is what you are taught at school.

> not whether you can Google it really, really fast. ;-)
>

This is RL
And what Jim said.

>> It is a tool of the trade, now. That and the F1 key.
>
> This makes me sad.
>

It makes me sad that makes you sad.

>> Good luck with it. :-D
>
> Thanks. Luck is what it'll take...

Yes we all need luck.

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 30 Aug 2012 02:39:04
Message: <503f0a88$1@news.povray.org>
>> I believe the purpose of the test was to find out if you *know* VB,
>
> That is what you are taught at school.
>
>> not whether you can Google it really, really fast. ;-)
>
> This is RL
> And what Jim said.

Sure. I mean, who needs a solid background understanding of a complex 
problem in order to solve parts of it?

> Yes we all need luck.

No. Some of us are GOOD...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 30 Aug 2012 11:24:18
Message: <503f85a2$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:39:12 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>>> I believe the purpose of the test was to find out if you *know* VB,
>>
>> That is what you are taught at school.
>>
>>> not whether you can Google it really, really fast. ;-)
>>
>> This is RL And what Jim said.
> 
> Sure. I mean, who needs a solid background understanding of a complex
> problem in order to solve parts of it?

The number of that kind of complex problem in today's business world is 
relatively small, unless you are into engineering, complex software 
development, or a similar field.

As a service economy, though, most "problems" are customer service 
problems, and those are relatively easy to resolve.

>> Yes we all need luck.
> 
> No. Some of us are GOOD...

Being good isn't enough.  I'm actually *very* good at the things I do, 
but so far all I've found that's a good fit is contract work.  But I'm 
picky.

Jim


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 31 Aug 2012 14:01:41
Message: <5040fc05$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2012-08-30 02:39, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
>>> I believe the purpose of the test was to find out if you *know* VB,
>>
>> That is what you are taught at school.
>>
>>> not whether you can Google it really, really fast. ;-)
>>
>> This is RL
>> And what Jim said.
>
> Sure. I mean, who needs a solid background understanding of a complex
> problem in order to solve parts of it?
>

You need a solid background and understanding to answer the "please 
describe how you would solve this moderately complex problem" type 
questions and a B.A. in Googleology won't help for those, but you don't 
need to clutter your brain with all the various switches to the grep 
command.

As one of my teachers used to say: "You don't need to remember all of 
this stuff [he was talking about various heat transfer differential 
equations]... You just need to remember in which book you read it!"


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 31 Aug 2012 15:06:58
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On 31/08/2012 07:01 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
> As one of my teachers used to say: "You don't need to remember all of
> this stuff [he was talking about various heat transfer differential
> equations]... You just need to remember in which book you read it!"

Sure. But if you don't even know what the hell a differential equation 
/is/... Well, maybe you can find the answer in a book. But I would 
suggest you won't do very well trying to solve questions that come up in 
the real job rather than in a test paper...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 31 Aug 2012 16:40:37
Message: <50412145$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:07:08 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> On 31/08/2012 07:01 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>> As one of my teachers used to say: "You don't need to remember all of
>> this stuff [he was talking about various heat transfer differential
>> equations]... You just need to remember in which book you read it!"
> 
> Sure. But if you don't even know what the hell a differential equation
> /is/... Well, maybe you can find the answer in a book. But I would
> suggest you won't do very well trying to solve questions that come up in
> the real job rather than in a test paper...

I've worked a number of jobs since I took differential calculus, and I've 
never had to use it.  (Though arguably, I have actually used it, but it 
wasn't a necessity - I was curious about the rate that a change was 
taking place in, don't even remember what it was now).

Jim


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 1 Sep 2012 09:56:04
Message: <504213f4$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2012-08-31 15:07, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
> On 31/08/2012 07:01 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>> As one of my teachers used to say: "You don't need to remember all of
>> this stuff [he was talking about various heat transfer differential
>> equations]... You just need to remember in which book you read it!"
>
> Sure. But if you don't even know what the hell a differential equation
> /is/...

Which was the point I was making in the previous paragraph.


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 2 Sep 2012 15:52:19
Message: <5043b8f3@news.povray.org>
On 29/08/2012 12:08 PM, Invisible wrote:
> OK, so last week I had a call about a possible job in Oxford. That's a
> bit of a long way, but it's shorter than my current commute.

Actually, it turns out it's only 5 miles shorter. On the other hand, I 
tried driving over there to see if I could find the place, and even at 
3pm almost all of the roads along the route were absolutely wedged 
solid. And this isn't even rush hour. It took almost 2 hours to get 
there - twice my current commute time. Oh, and once you get there, there 
is NO parking anywhere. The ONLY way to park is to use the lame-ass 
"park and ride" system.

Clearly I will not be looking at any further jobs in Oxford. The journey 
is just insane. I got stuck at one singe junction for 20 minute 
straight. This is at 3pm on a Friday afternoon. I hate to imagine what 
rush hour is like. (!)

> On Friday, I got a call to say that first I have to pass a test. On
> VB.Net, of all things. So, uh, yeah... That's totally going to work out
> then! :-P

OK, well, the job spec clearly says they're looking for a VB programmer. 
I have never done any VB coding (as a cursory glance at my CV will 
readily confirm).

Firstly, this raises the interesting question "why the hell are they 
even interviewing me?" Especially given how badly I did with the test 
they sent. Presumably the purpose of a test is to weed out the people 
who are completely unsuitable, so they can concentrate on the people who 
show at least a minimal aptitude for the work.

An equally valid question - and one which I fully expect that they will 
ask me - is why the /hell/ I'm applying for a VB job when I know nothing 
about VB. (!)

The truthful answer, obviously, is that I went through the jobs list and 
applied for almost every single job in sight, without really paying much 
attention to the action specification. I took this approach under the 
(perfectly reasonable and subsequently confirmed) assumption that almost 
nobody I applied to would even bother to reply to me. I applied for this 
job thinking "what's the worst that can happen?" It turns out, the worst 
that can happen is that you get interviewed for a job you're not really 
interested in, and not skilled for.

(If this were C#, I would be interested. I can probably learn that 
fairly easily. Hell, I've already started. But VB is just a bit too 
crappy for my taste...)

None of this is stuff you want to say in a formal interview. So the 
question is... what the heck am I going to tell these guys? They're 
offering a job that's almost impossible to commute to, coding in a 
language I dislike. So why the heck did I apply?

Sometimes I think maybe I'm not really cut out to be a sentient human 
being...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 2 Sep 2012 16:17:45
Message: <5043bee9$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 20:52:19 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> None of this is stuff you want to say in a formal interview. So the
> question is... what the heck am I going to tell these guys?

You do the interview and see if perhaps there's something closer to what 
you're looking for - that may be why they asked you in anyways - and if 
it doesn't look like a good fit, you thank them for their time and leave.

You don't need to say anything beyond that.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 3 Sep 2012 16:10:14
Message: <50450ea6$1@news.povray.org>
On 9/2/2012 12:52, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> is at 3pm on a Friday afternoon. I hate to imagine what rush hour is like. (!)

Around here, 3PM on a friday afternoon is the most rushing of rush hour. By 
5PM, everyone has already left early for the day.

> None of this is stuff you want to say in a formal interview. So the question
> is... what the heck am I going to tell these guys? They're offering a job
> that's almost impossible to commute to, coding in a language I dislike. So
> why the heck did I apply?

They won't ask you why you applied. If they do, tell them "because I'm 
interested in learning new things and I am confident I can do the job." Let 
them make an offer before you turn it down.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Oh no! We're out of code juice!"
   "Don't panic. There's beans and filters
    in the cabinet."


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 3 Sep 2012 16:26:43
Message: <50451283$1@news.povray.org>
On 02/09/2012 8:52 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
> OK, well, the job spec clearly says they're looking for a VB programmer.
> I have never done any VB coding (as a cursory glance at my CV will
> readily confirm).
>
> Firstly, this raises the interesting question "why the hell are they
> even interviewing me?"

A legitimate question to ask but not in those terms.

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     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:19:10
Message: <5045ffce$1@news.povray.org>
On 02/09/2012 08:52 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Clearly I will not be looking at any further jobs in Oxford. The journey
> is just insane. I got stuck at one singe junction for 20 minute
> straight. This is at 3pm on a Friday afternoon. I hate to imagine what
> rush hour is like. (!)

Weirdly, at 9:30 in the morning, it's apparently pretty deserted. How odd...

Consequently, I arrived almost an hour early. (Still, arriving almost an 
hour late would be way, way worse!)

Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well - although 
I doubt they'll be offering me the job anytime soon. And honestly, would 
I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day? Plus 
they're talking about working 8am to 6pm (rather than the usual 9 to 5), 
plus most weekends. On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has 
quite a number of things against it.



Undeniably the /worst/ part, though, was getting home again.

I made the stupid mistake of trying to actually use the "park and ride" 
system that the signs scream about every 200 yards or so. The idea is 
that instead of driving into Oxford, where there is NO parking ANYWHERE, 
instead you park in a giant field several miles outside Oxford, and then 
get the bus into Oxford itself.

This part worked just fine. The problem happens when you try to get the 
bus BACK to your car! You see, the trouble is, of all the dozens of bus 
stops littered around the place, ZERO of them are for buses that go back 
to the car park. There are stops for buses going to Banbury, Witney, 
Woodstock, Kiddlington, Islip, but NOTHING going to the ****ing car 
park! >_<

Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that 
this is approximately 3 miles.) Perhaps most frustrating of all, a 
God-damned SAW several 300 buses go right past me. I just couldn't find 
ANY bus stops where the 300 actually stops. Instead, I trudged on and 
on, in unbearable summer heat, wearing my best new suit and my shiny 
office shoes that gave me blisters. And all because Oxford city council 
can't be ****ing bothered to provide a park and ride service that 
****ing works!

I have a damned good mind to demand my money back for my return ticket, 
since I was clearly unable to actually GET a return trip. :-P

I do not find it funny that I had to walk down the side of a high-speed 
4-lane road, being narrowly missed by thundering juggernauts, because of 
their stupidity. Even when I GOT to the car park, there's no way of 
actually CROSSING the road short of just playing chicken with the 
oncoming heavy goods traffic. I could have been killed!


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:23:05
Message: <504600b9$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2012-09-02 15:52, Orchid Win7 v1 a écrit :
> Firstly, this raises the interesting question "why the hell are they
> even interviewing me?" Especially given how badly I did with the test
> they sent. Presumably the purpose of a test is to weed out the people
> who are completely unsuitable, so they can concentrate on the people who
> show at least a minimal aptitude for the work.
>

Possible answer #1:  You still did better than any other candidate.
Possible answer #2:  The questions you left blank were "traps" to weed 
out the BSers (I had a few questions like that when I was interviewing 
people).  By leaving them blank it showed them you weren't trying to 
show off.
Possible answer #3:  "Bob, this guy is not qualified for my position, 
but he would clearly be a good candidtate for you!  You should check him 
out"  I've done that with many CVs that were sent to me, and have also 
received a few people that were initially interviewed by other depts.


> None of this is stuff you want to say in a formal interview. So the
> question is... what the heck am I going to tell these guys? They're
> offering a job that's almost impossible to commute to, coding in a
> language I dislike. So why the heck did I apply?
>

Andy needs food.  Badly.

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:45:24
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Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:

> Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that
> this is approximately 3 miles.) Perhaps most frustrating of all, a
> God-damned SAW several 300 buses go right past me. I just couldn't find
> ANY bus stops where the 300 actually stops. Instead, I trudged on and
> on, in unbearable summer heat, wearing my best new suit and my shiny
> office shoes that gave me blisters. And all because Oxford city council
> can't be ****ing bothered to provide a park and ride service that
> ****ing works!

http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/main.php?page_id=61
http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/main.php?page_id=62


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 09:56:13
Message: <5046087d$1@news.povray.org>
Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:

> Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well - although
> I doubt they'll be offering me the job anytime soon. And honestly, would
> I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day? Plus
> they're talking about working 8am to 6pm (rather than the usual 9 to 5),
> plus most weekends. On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has
> quite a number of things against it.

What? 10 hours (including breaks) a day AND most weekends? What is this? 
An 18th century factory job?


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 14:57:40
Message: <50464f24$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 02:45 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:
>
>> Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that
>> this is approximately 3 miles.) Perhaps most frustrating of all, a
>> God-damned SAW several 300 buses go right past me. I just couldn't find
>> ANY bus stops where the 300 actually stops. Instead, I trudged on and
>> on, in unbearable summer heat, wearing my best new suit and my shiny
>> office shoes that gave me blisters. And all because Oxford city council
>> can't be ****ing bothered to provide a park and ride service that
>> ****ing works!
>
> http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/main.php?page_id=61

Wait - so you can only get ON the bus if you walk 5 miles into the 
center of the city first?! WTF?

(The stop I got off at is outside the area shown on the map.)


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 14:58:36
Message: <50464f5c$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 02:56 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 04.09.2012 15:19, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:
>
>> Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well - although
>> I doubt they'll be offering me the job anytime soon. And honestly, would
>> I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day? Plus
>> they're talking about working 8am to 6pm (rather than the usual 9 to 5),
>> plus most weekends. On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has
>> quite a number of things against it.
>
> What? 10 hours (including breaks) a day AND most weekends? What is this?
> An 18th century factory job?

I have no answer to that.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 16:28:35
Message: <50466473$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 2:19 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>
> Weirdly, at 9:30 in the morning, it's apparently pretty deserted. How
> odd...
>

Nope, rush hour is over.

>
> Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well

Glad to hear it. :-D

>  And honestly, would
> I really /want/ to continue driving nearly 100 miles per day?

No, but I drive 150 miles a day. It is tiring.

On top of that, it's VB... Really, this job has
> quite a number of things against it.
>
>
And a couple of things going for it too.
It is paid and it looks good stepping from one job to another (while you 
look for something more suitable).

>
> Undeniably the /worst/ part, though, was getting home again.
>
> I made the stupid mistake of trying to actually use the "park and ride"
> system that the signs scream about every 200 yards or so.

If you get the job you ask your co-workers what is the best thing to do.

> I could have been killed!

Personally I think that you did something wrong. :-P


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 16:31:57
Message: <5046653d$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 2:56 PM, clipka wrote:

> What? 10 hours (including breaks) a day AND most weekends? What is this?
> An 18th century factory job?

Welcome to modern Britain. ;-)

The client that I'm working for at the moment (Mercedes HPP) work from 
8am to 5:30, nominally. They do a lot of unpaid overtime as well. If it 
is a race weekend they work that too.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 4 Sep 2012 18:00:27
Message: <504679fb$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:28:37 +0100, Stephen wrote:

>> quite a number of things against it.
>>
>>
> And a couple of things going for it too.
> It is paid and it looks good stepping from one job to another (while you
> look for something more suitable).

Yup, sometimes you just need something to fill the gap.  Of course, you 
don't tell the prospective employer that.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 6 Sep 2012 00:41:42
Message: <50482986$1@news.povray.org>
On 9/4/2012 6:19, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that
> this is approximately 3 miles.)

In my country, google maps tells you where the bus routes stop.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "They're the 1-800-#-GORILA of the telecom business."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 6 Sep 2012 00:42:59
Message: <504829d3$1@news.povray.org>
On 9/4/2012 13:31, Stephen wrote:
> The client that I'm working for at the moment (Mercedes HPP) work from 8am
> to 5:30, nominally. They do a lot of unpaid overtime as well. If it is a
> race weekend they work that too.

I used to do that shit, before I realized I could just say no.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "They're the 1-800-#-GORILA of the telecom business."


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 6 Sep 2012 01:14:03
Message: <5048311b$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/09/2012 5:41 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 9/4/2012 6:19, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> Consequently, I had to WALK back to my car. (Google Maps informs me that
>> this is approximately 3 miles.)
>
> In my country, google maps tells you where the bus routes stop.
>
And in Andrew's country too.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 6 Sep 2012 03:24:32
Message: <50484fb0$1@news.povray.org>
>> In my country, google maps tells you where the bus routes stop.
>>
> And in Andrew's country too.

Really? And how do you make it do that?

Besides, the council's own maps claim that the buses stop at South 
Parade, despite the fact that I couldn't find any bus stops where the 
bus I want stops.


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Nope
Date: 6 Sep 2012 15:02:28
Message: <5048f344$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2012 02:19 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Surprisingly, the interview actually seemed to go fairly well - although
> I doubt they'll be offering me the job anytime soon.

Well there's a surprise - I just got a call telling me they won't be 
offering me the job.

You all saw that, right? I called it. :-P

Actually, I guess the surprising thing is the recruiter calling me at 
nearly 8pm to tell me this... What the hell are those guys' office 
hours?! o_O

Well, I'm not real surprised, and I didn't *really* want to work in 
Oxford anyway, so...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 6 Sep 2012 15:48:58
Message: <5048fe2a@news.povray.org>
On 06/09/2012 8:24 AM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> Really? And how do you make it do that

I don't know, it just does if you zoom in close enough.
3 zooms back from max you get the icons. Click on an icon and you get 
the buses that stop there.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 6 Sep 2012 18:05:40
Message: <50491e34$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/09/2012 08:48 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 06/09/2012 8:24 AM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> Really? And how do you make it do that
>
> I don't know, it just does if you zoom in close enough.
> 3 zooms back from max you get the icons. Click on an icon and you get
> the buses that stop there.

OK, I just tried zooming in to maximum magnification. It still doesn't 
show the bus /routes/, but it does at least mark the bus stops. 
Unfortunately, the information Google gives me about which buses stop 
where does not match the information physically printed on the bus 
stops. I wonder which one is actually correct...

(Hey, Google can only tell you what the bus company told them, right?)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 6 Sep 2012 18:35:50
Message: <50492546$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:05:44 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>> I don't know, it just does if you zoom in close enough.
>> 3 zooms back from max you get the icons. Click on an icon and you get
>> the buses that stop there.
> 
> OK, I just tried zooming in to maximum magnification. It still doesn't
> show the bus /routes/, but it does at least mark the bus stops.
> Unfortunately, the information Google gives me about which buses stop
> where does not match the information physically printed on the bus
> stops.
> I wonder which one is actually correct...

Public transit information availability is dependent on location, looks 
like it's not in Milton Keynes.

Jim


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From: Orchid Win7 v1
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 7 Sep 2012 03:27:46
Message: <5049a1f2@news.povray.org>
On 06/09/2012 11:35 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:05:44 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
>>> I don't know, it just does if you zoom in close enough.
>>> 3 zooms back from max you get the icons. Click on an icon and you get
>>> the buses that stop there.
>>
>> OK, I just tried zooming in to maximum magnification. It still doesn't
>> show the bus /routes/, but it does at least mark the bus stops.
>> Unfortunately, the information Google gives me about which buses stop
>> where does not match the information physically printed on the bus
>> stops.
>> I wonder which one is actually correct...
>
> Public transit information availability is dependent on location, looks
> like it's not in Milton Keynes.

I was actually looking at Oxford.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Google is your friend
Date: 7 Sep 2012 11:41:13
Message: <504a1599$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 08:27:50 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

> On 06/09/2012 11:35 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:05:44 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't know, it just does if you zoom in close enough.
>>>> 3 zooms back from max you get the icons. Click on an icon and you get
>>>> the buses that stop there.
>>>
>>> OK, I just tried zooming in to maximum magnification. It still doesn't
>>> show the bus /routes/, but it does at least mark the bus stops.
>>> Unfortunately, the information Google gives me about which buses stop
>>> where does not match the information physically printed on the bus
>>> stops.
>>> I wonder which one is actually correct...
>>
>> Public transit information availability is dependent on location, looks
>> like it's not in Milton Keynes.
> 
> I was actually looking at Oxford.

I show the same result at Oxford - public transport not available at this 
location.

Jim


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