Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> /Clearly/ I don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of
> >> getting this job.
> >
> > Holy hell... I think they might actually hire me! o_O
>
> I just got a letter today.
>
> Apparently I am not good enough. (!)
>
> At this point, I'm stunned. I seriously can't imagine what more I could
> have done...
>
> Oh well, I guess I'm back to being bereft of hope.

you need a tattoo and a nose ring

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Am 24.08.2012 18:29, schrieb Orchid Win7 v1:
>>> /Clearly/ I don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of
>>> getting this job.
>>
>> Holy hell... I think they might actually hire me! o_O
>
> I just got a letter today.
>
> Apparently I am not good enough. (!)
>
> At this point, I'm stunned. I seriously can't imagine what more I could
> have done...
>
> Oh well, I guess I'm back to being bereft of hope.

You may well have been good enough for the job. Possibly there was just 
someone a bit better this time.

Keep on going!

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Am 24.08.2012 19:59, schrieb nemesis:
> Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>>> /Clearly/ I don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of
>>>> getting this job.
>>>
>>> Holy hell... I think they might actually hire me! o_O
>>
>> I just got a letter today.
>>
>> Apparently I am not good enough. (!)
>>
>> At this point, I'm stunned. I seriously can't imagine what more I could
>> have done...
>>
>> Oh well, I guess I'm back to being bereft of hope.
>
> you need a tattoo and a nose ring

Or instead of a tattoo, get a branding along with the nose ring; that 
way, you can still make a living as a piece of cattle if all else 
fails... >_<

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On 24-8-2012 9:43, Invisible wrote:
>>> Well, they seemed convinced of my technical capabilities. If anything,
>>> they seemed more worried that I'd get bored and leave in five minutes
>>> flat.
>>
>> If they need an informed opinion about that, they can ask here. We can
>> all testify that you will never leave your job, no matter how boring and
>> underpaid.
>
> Oh, I think they're already convinced of that. 10 years working for one
> company will do that... ;-)

No, I am working now for 23 years in this hospital. People will 
correctly assume it is a interesting job with daily new developments and 
a great assortment of fantastic colleagues.
They will assume the same from you, unless you have explicitly told them 
otherwise. (Which would be extremely foolish, so I wouldn't be surprised 
if you did ;) )


-- 
Women are the canaries of science. When they are underrepresented
it is a strong indication that non-scientific factors play a role
and the concentration of incorruptible scientists is also too low

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andrel <byt### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 24-8-2012 9:43, Invisible wrote:
> >>> Well, they seemed convinced of my technical capabilities. If anything,
> >>> they seemed more worried that I'd get bored and leave in five minutes
> >>> flat.
> >>
> >> If they need an informed opinion about that, they can ask here. We can
> >> all testify that you will never leave your job, no matter how boring and
> >> underpaid.
> >
> > Oh, I think they're already convinced of that. 10 years working for one
> > company will do that... ;-)
>
> No, I am working now for 23 years in this hospital. People will
> correctly assume it is a interesting job with daily new developments and
> a great assortment of fantastic colleagues.

are you telling me it is not as in "Scrubs"?

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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:29:28 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:

>>> /Clearly/ I don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting this
>>> job.
>>
>> Holy hell... I think they might actually hire me! o_O
> 
> I just got a letter today.
> 
> Apparently I am not good enough. (!)
> 
> At this point, I'm stunned. I seriously can't imagine what more I could
> have done...
> 
> Oh well, I guess I'm back to being bereft of hope.

Dust your pants off and move on to the next one.  Interviewing isn't 
about the jobs you don't get, it's about the one you eventually *do* get.

But I know exactly how you feel - I told you about the company in Oregon 
that I flew out to interview with, and even after the interview (but 
before meeting up with the HR person and the hiring manager), I thought 
things went very well.  I was quite stunned as well.  My conculsion:  
They weren't the right company for me, and if they had offered something, 
I probably wouldn't have been happy there.

Why did I come to this conclusion?  Because I felt I did everything right 
and presented what they had specifically asked for.  So, if I did things 
the way I would've done them as an employee, they'd have not been happy 
with the results, AND I might've relocated for a job that wasn't going to 
last long because of the working conditions.

So in my case (and as yours) - it's their loss.

Jim

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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:01:24 +0200, clipka wrote:

> You may well have been good enough for the job. Possibly there was just
> someone a bit better this time.

That's also a possibility.  Another position I'd applied for I was 
considered a very strong candidate, but they found someone who was just 
as strong a writer *and* who had worked with the software before (I 
hadn't - but now I have, a little bit).

It happens.

Jim

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Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
> Apparently I am not good enough. (!)
>
> At this point, I'm stunned. I seriously can't imagine what more I could
> have done...
>

I repeat my earlier words:

"If you don't get the job, it doesn't mean you failed nor you are 
hopeless - it *just* means they liked someone more than you."

So keep on going, eventually you'll catch the firm that you want and 
that wants you.

-Aero

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One thing I detest about job interviews is that you have to lie even if
you really mean to be honest. You have to lie in order to convey your
true skill properly. (Not that I have extensive experience on job
interviews, but this is from what I have gathered.)

For example, suppose that you are an experienced programmer and have a
good grasp of how imperative/OO languages (either compiled or scripting)
work, and have extensive experience on some languages, but only a very
modest understanding of PHP in particular: You know the basics, you have
perhaps written a hundred of lines of it in total, but you know how it
works and what it offers. Most importantly, if you had to, you could
quickly learn to use it proficiently and competently.

However, job interviews don't generally ask you that. Instead, they ask
you how much you have programmed in PHP.

You have two choices: Tell the truth, or "stretch it a bit".

If you tell them that you have only minimal experience of PHP in particular,
they will probably mark you as not a very good candidate for a PHP
programming job. Your assurances that you can learn the language quickly
and that's not just BS will probably not help much.

The other possibility is to outright lie: You can claim that you have
programmed in PHP quite a lot.

In a sense you are not "lying" per se. Rather, you are answering the
question that they *really* want to ask, rather than the question they
*think* they want to ask. What they really want to know is how easily
you could start programming in PHP, not how much you have programmed
with it in the past.

However, in order to convey your true expertise you have to lie. The bad
thing about this is that you can get caught redhanded. If they start asking
some minutia about PHP you might not know the answers on the spot, and you
will end up looking like an opportunistic liar.

They might well end up hiring someone who has programmed more in PHP (or
at least claims to be) but who's not very good at it.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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On 24-8-2012 23:38, nemesis wrote:
> andrel <byt### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 24-8-2012 9:43, Invisible wrote:
>>>>> Well, they seemed convinced of my technical capabilities. If anything,
>>>>> they seemed more worried that I'd get bored and leave in five minutes
>>>>> flat.
>>>>
>>>> If they need an informed opinion about that, they can ask here. We can
>>>> all testify that you will never leave your job, no matter how boring and
>>>> underpaid.
>>>
>>> Oh, I think they're already convinced of that. 10 years working for one
>>> company will do that... ;-)
>>
>> No, I am working now for 23 years in this hospital. People will
>> correctly assume it is a interesting job with daily new developments and
>> a great assortment of fantastic colleagues.
>
> are you telling me it is not as in "Scrubs"?

What is "Scrubs"?
GIYF
probably not. I am doing research. IME there is even in the hospital not 
enough going on to write a drama series about. There is a lot you could 
make interesting television out of, but that won't sell because it is 
too scary, and I am not talking blood here. ;)


-- 
Women are the canaries of science. When they are underrepresented
it is a strong indication that non-scientific factors play a role
and the concentration of incorruptible scientists is also too low

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