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On 8/7/2012 2:30 PM, Warp wrote:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymous org> wrote:
>> ... and they're apparently pretty good at it:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uqD8Ja6IZ0
>
> Some more pro tips:
>
> "There are two types of gun owners. Those who have had their guns
> discharge accidentally, and those who will have their guns discharge
> accidentally."
>
> "Treat a gun as if it's always loaded, especially when it's not."
>
> There are probably thousands and thousand of cases of people shooting
> themselves or others accidentally, sometimes fatally, believing that
> a gun is not loaded (or that the safety is on, or whatever).
>
And, most of them are the same people that imagine that they will be
able to get to it, load the ammo, and remember to turn off the safety,
in the short frame of time it takes someone breaking in to their house,
or the like, to point and fire their *already loaded, safety off, and
pointed* gun at them.
Having a long discussion on this on a blog today. It has, as usual,
degenerated into two arguments, one from each side:
Regulation - Less guns tend to produce less deaths, including in the
homes of the people that own them, and some guns are just bloody stupid
to have at all.
NRA - But, people have been known to kill other people with paper clips.
If you have a paper clip, I should have the right to defend myself with
a bigger paper clip, and if I can have that, why not a knife, or a gun,
since, if I get a knife, so will you, so I obviously need a gun!
One of them even argued that, without guns, the US would somehow fall
into 3rd world country territory, and gangs of youths might rampage
around with machetes (you know the ones given to them by the African
military, or government...), raiding people's homes, and killing them.
Yeah, well. If we go third world, its going to be due to gun nuts +
right wingers + 1%ters, or the sort that support the first two, because
the first thing to go with be the economy, then semi-effective law
enforcement, and.. oddly, I don't imagine the common citizens being in a
position to buy a lot of guns, to defend themselves against roving bands
of government funded teenagers, without money, jobs, or an economy. But,
when does logic have jack shit to do with the sort of idiots that pass
laws like we have in Arizona:
1. You must, to buy from a trade show, have ID, no criminal record, etc.
2. As soon as you leave the show, you can change your mind, and give
away all the weapons you bought to anyone you like, on the street.
The only thing more bloody stupid, imho, is the few states that don't
even bother with some limited form of #1, or where some other loophole
is available, which lets people get one easily, without knowing who the
fuck they are, or how likely they are to use the things.
Apparently, their waiting for a "bigger" body count. See, a few dozen
people isn't big enough. Someone has to show up, alone, and kill
thousands, without being stopped, and even then they have to do with
without a) someone else with a gun intervening, and b) with most of the
dead people armed. If they are stopped, after only a few hundred people,
but someone else with a gun, then QED the problem wasn't that 100 people
died, but that two of those people where not armed.
:head-desk:
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:59:48 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> NRA - But, people have been known to kill other people with paper clips.
> If you have a paper clip, I should have the right to defend myself with
> a bigger paper clip, and if I can have that, why not a knife, or a gun,
> since, if I get a knife, so will you, so I obviously need a gun!
"When you can kill 20 people and wound 30 others with a paperclip in
under 30 seconds, then we might have something to talk about."
Jim
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