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From: Warp
Subject: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 29 Jul 2012 06:39:09
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6434773.stm

Yeah, that's a real military satellite named Skynet.

Still not afraid enough? How about:

http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/index.html

Yeah, that's a real company named Cyberdyne. They make artificial
exoskeletons (incidentally named "HAL", but I'm sure that's just
a coincidence).

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                                                          - Warp


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 29 Jul 2012 07:43:29
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Am 29.07.2012 12:39, schrieb Warp:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6434773.stm
>
> Yeah, that's a real military satellite named Skynet.
>
> Still not afraid enough? How about:
>
> http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/index.html
>
> Yeah, that's a real company named Cyberdyne. They make artificial
> exoskeletons (incidentally named "HAL", but I'm sure that's just
> a coincidence).

Meh. I couldn't be scared less.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 29 Jul 2012 08:21:13
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 29.07.2012 12:39, schrieb Warp:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6434773.stm
> >
> > Yeah, that's a real military satellite named Skynet.
> >
> > Still not afraid enough? How about:
> >
> > http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/index.html
> >
> > Yeah, that's a real company named Cyberdyne. They make artificial
> > exoskeletons (incidentally named "HAL", but I'm sure that's just
> > a coincidence).

> Meh. I couldn't be scared less.

Quite a party pooper, aren't you?

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                                                          - Warp


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 29 Jul 2012 11:35:00
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6434773.stm
>
> Yeah, that's a real military satellite named Skynet.
>
> Still not afraid enough? How about:
>
> http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/index.html
>
> Yeah, that's a real company named Cyberdyne. They make artificial
> exoskeletons (incidentally named "HAL", but I'm sure that's just
> a coincidence).


LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h5NGF-U4QQ

good thing she's not into guerrila though...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 29 Jul 2012 13:51:27
Message: <5015781f$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:39:09 -0400, Warp wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6434773.stm
> 
> Yeah, that's a real military satellite named Skynet.
> 
> Still not afraid enough? How about:
> 
> http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/index.html
> 
> Yeah, that's a real company named Cyberdyne. They make artificial
> exoskeletons (incidentally named "HAL", but I'm sure that's just a
> coincidence).

Unless Miles Dyson works for them, I'm not overly concerned.  And even 
then, Sarah Connor will take care of the problem for us.

Jim


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 29 Jul 2012 22:20:23
Message: <5015ef67$1@news.povray.org>
On 7/29/2012 10:51 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:39:09 -0400, Warp wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6434773.stm
>>
>> Yeah, that's a real military satellite named Skynet.
>>
>> Still not afraid enough? How about:
>>
>> http://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/index.html
>>
>> Yeah, that's a real company named Cyberdyne. They make artificial
>> exoskeletons (incidentally named "HAL", but I'm sure that's just a
>> coincidence).
>
> Unless Miles Dyson works for them, I'm not overly concerned.  And even
> then, Sarah Connor will take care of the problem for us.
>
> Jim
>
Mind, if it was a computer system set up to "watchdog" all networks, for 
anti-terrorism, or the artificial exoskeletons where like autonomous 
drones... I might find it funnier than hell, whether or not Miles Dyson 
worked for them or not. The completely absurd joke in the movie series 
was that we could, by accident, produce something smart enough to not 
want to be turned off, fail to recognize when it was already sweeping up 
systems, one by one, and opening the flood gates (on the theory we where 
stopping a virus), and finally, that this super smart program, which 
only got smart by taking over nearly every damn computer on the planet, 
solved its human problem by "nuking" every major city out of existence, 
along with all the computers that it was sitting on.

I would think that.. kind of qualifies as a major plot hole. lol


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 30 Jul 2012 13:21:02
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Patrick Elliott <kag### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Mind, if it was a computer system set up to "watchdog" all networks, for 
> anti-terrorism, or the artificial exoskeletons where like autonomous 
> drones... I might find it funnier than hell, whether or not Miles Dyson 
> worked for them or not. The completely absurd joke in the movie series 
> was that we could, by accident, produce something smart enough to not 
> want to be turned off, fail to recognize when it was already sweeping up 
> systems, one by one, and opening the flood gates (on the theory we where 
> stopping a virus), and finally, that this super smart program, which 
> only got smart by taking over nearly every damn computer on the planet, 
> solved its human problem by "nuking" every major city out of existence, 
> along with all the computers that it was sitting on.

> I would think that.. kind of qualifies as a major plot hole. lol

Surely it would be able to calculate proper targets for the bombs and
where to locate itself in order to avoid being itself wiped out. In fact,
for such an AI that it surpasses all humanity in intelligence and knowledge,
it wouldn't be even difficult.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 30 Jul 2012 23:12:10
Message: <50174d0a@news.povray.org>
On 7/30/2012 10:21 AM, Warp wrote:
> Patrick Elliott <kag### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Mind, if it was a computer system set up to "watchdog" all networks, for
>> anti-terrorism, or the artificial exoskeletons where like autonomous
>> drones... I might find it funnier than hell, whether or not Miles Dyson
>> worked for them or not. The completely absurd joke in the movie series
>> was that we could, by accident, produce something smart enough to not
>> want to be turned off, fail to recognize when it was already sweeping up
>> systems, one by one, and opening the flood gates (on the theory we where
>> stopping a virus), and finally, that this super smart program, which
>> only got smart by taking over nearly every damn computer on the planet,
>> solved its human problem by "nuking" every major city out of existence,
>> along with all the computers that it was sitting on.
>
>> I would think that.. kind of qualifies as a major plot hole. lol
>
> Surely it would be able to calculate proper targets for the bombs and
> where to locate itself in order to avoid being itself wiped out. In fact,
> for such an AI that it surpasses all humanity in intelligence and knowledge,
> it wouldn't be even difficult.
>
Its a distributed AI, so.. lets just say it might have worked, up until 
the movie where you kind of find out that they tried releasing it to 
kill itself, then.. it became a bit implausible, since that implied a 
certain level of "dependence" in the networks it was infiltrating. But, 
heh, what do I know.. lol


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 31 Jul 2012 14:40:19
Message: <50182692@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott <kag### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > Surely it would be able to calculate proper targets for the bombs and
> > where to locate itself in order to avoid being itself wiped out. In fact,
> > for such an AI that it surpasses all humanity in intelligence and knowledge,
> > it wouldn't be even difficult.
> >
> Its a distributed AI, so.. lets just say it might have worked, up until 
> the movie where you kind of find out that they tried releasing it to 
> kill itself, then.. it became a bit implausible, since that implied a 
> certain level of "dependence" in the networks it was infiltrating. But, 
> heh, what do I know.. lol

Note that Skynet was an AI designed to control all of the United States
military computer systems. Surely the US military has its critical main
servers placed at secure locations, shielded from atomic blasts (eg. in
deep underground bomb shelters etc) precisely to keep the critical military
systems running in the event of nuclear war. (This is most certainly the
case even in real life.)

Naturally Skynet, being in control of all these systems, could locate itself
into these servers and keep running all operations from there even during
the bombing.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Be afraid, be very afraid
Date: 31 Jul 2012 16:49:50
Message: <501844ee$1@news.povray.org>
On 7/31/2012 11:40 AM, Warp wrote:
> Patrick Elliott <kag### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>> Surely it would be able to calculate proper targets for the bombs and
>>> where to locate itself in order to avoid being itself wiped out. In fact,
>>> for such an AI that it surpasses all humanity in intelligence and knowledge,
>>> it wouldn't be even difficult.
>>>
>> Its a distributed AI, so.. lets just say it might have worked, up until
>> the movie where you kind of find out that they tried releasing it to
>> kill itself, then.. it became a bit implausible, since that implied a
>> certain level of "dependence" in the networks it was infiltrating. But,
>> heh, what do I know.. lol
>
> Note that Skynet was an AI designed to control all of the United States
> military computer systems. Surely the US military has its critical main
> servers placed at secure locations, shielded from atomic blasts (eg. in
> deep underground bomb shelters etc) precisely to keep the critical military
> systems running in the event of nuclear war. (This is most certainly the
> case even in real life.)
>
> Naturally Skynet, being in control of all these systems, could locate itself
> into these servers and keep running all operations from there even during
> the bombing.
>
Well, in theory, but the sense you get is that it only got "smart" as it 
spread. So, its kind of like thinking you can build human intelligence, 
then cram it back into the brain of a rat, with vastly fewer neurons. I 
suppose, it might have found non-military code, compression systems, or 
other things, that somehow "let" it cram itself back into the box, as it 
where, but... Like I said, it depends on whether you assume it was smart 
enough on the military machines, to begin with, or the "critical" point 
was when its "neurons" grew significantly, as it networked, and took in 
nearly every other possible system as well.


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