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From: James Holsenback
Subject: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 22 Jul 2012 13:38:35
Message: <500c3a9b$1@news.povray.org>
Anybody getting anxious for the Olympics to start? Well I am ... since I 
was a track & field man throughout school (pole vault and long jump) 
I'll be watching those events ... the Women's pole vault could be quite 
good this time around. I was looking through the event's schedule and 
didn't see much else I care for ... well maybe some football (of the 
round kind) What about the rest of you?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 22 Jul 2012 14:32:51
Message: <500c4753$1@news.povray.org>
On 22/07/2012 6:38 PM, James Holsenback wrote:
> What about the rest of you?

I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
The M40/A40 has had a lane closed/reserved for the very important people.
Humbug!



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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 22 Jul 2012 15:25:16
Message: <500c539c$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:32:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.

That was my favourite during the 2002 winter games here in SLC.

Of course, we spent most of the time during the games in the UK rather 
than here at home.

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 22 Jul 2012 16:57:15
Message: <500c692b$1@news.povray.org>
On 22/07/2012 8:25 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:32:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
>
> That was my favourite during the 2002 winter games here in SLC.
>
> Of course, we spent most of the time during the games in the UK rather
> than here at home.
>
Swapsy :-)


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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 22 Jul 2012 20:49:55
Message: <500c9fb3@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:57:15 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 22/07/2012 8:25 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:32:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
>>
>> That was my favourite during the 2002 winter games here in SLC.
>>
>> Of course, we spent most of the time during the games in the UK rather
>> than here at home.
>>
> Swapsy :-)

Are you going to be in the neighbuorhood?

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 06:20:09
Message: <500d2559$1@news.povray.org>
On 22/07/2012 07:32 PM, Stephen wrote:

> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
> The M40/A40 has had a lane closed/reserved for the very important people.
> Humbug!

Ah yes, how very British: The national Olympic sport of *complaining*. ;-)

The woman I live with could be a gold medallist! :-P


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 07:51:11
Message: <500d3aaf$1@news.povray.org>
Le 22/07/2012 20:32, Stephen a écrit :
> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
> The M40/A40 has had a lane closed/reserved for the very important people.
> Humbug!

Well, London is not a democracy, what did you expect ?


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 08:07:37
Message: <500d3e89@news.povray.org>
James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> What about the rest of you?

Curling.


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 08:13:04
Message: <500d3fd0$1@news.povray.org>
Le 23/07/2012 14:07, Warp a écrit :
> James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
>> What about the rest of you?
> 
> Curling.
> 
Not on the summer game, did they ?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 09:48:42
Message: <500d563a$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:20:08 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> On 22/07/2012 07:32 PM, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
>> The M40/A40 has had a lane closed/reserved for the very important
>> people.
>> Humbug!
> 
> Ah yes, how very British: The national Olympic sport of *complaining*.
> ;-)

I thought the national sport was queuing?

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 09:52:10
Message: <500d570a@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron <lef### [at] freefr> wrote:
> Le 23/07/2012 14:07, Warp a écrit :
> > James Holsenback <nom### [at] nonecom> wrote:
> >> What about the rest of you?
> > 
> > Curling.
> > 
> Not on the summer game, did they ?

Well, he said "Olympic Sport", not "Summer Olympic Sport"...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 13:42:56
Message: <500d8d20$1@news.povray.org>
On 23/07/2012 1:49 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:57:15 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/2012 8:25 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:32:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
>>>
>>> That was my favourite during the 2002 winter games here in SLC.
>>>
>>> Of course, we spent most of the time during the games in the UK rather
>>> than here at home.
>>>
>> Swapsy :-)
>
> Are you going to be in the neighbuorhood?
>

Not if I can help it.
You may have seen this article or one like it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18953088
And the Games haven't started yet.


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 13:47:24
Message: <500d8e2c$1@news.povray.org>
On 23/07/2012 2:48 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> >Ah yes, how very British: The national Olympic sport of*complaining*.
>> >;-)
> I thought the national sport was queuing?

A double gold in complaining and queuing. :-)

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 23 Jul 2012 13:49:35
Message: <500d8eaf$1@news.povray.org>
On 23/07/2012 12:51 PM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Well, London is not a democracy, what did you expect ?

True. It is not a democracy but a school for jesters.
Well I did not vote for that w*nker.

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 00:46:04
Message: <500e288c@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:42:57 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 23/07/2012 1:49 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:57:15 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 22/07/2012 8:25 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:32:50 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’m really looking forward to the closing ceremonies.
>>>>
>>>> That was my favourite during the 2002 winter games here in SLC.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, we spent most of the time during the games in the UK
>>>> rather than here at home.
>>>>
>>> Swapsy :-)
>>
>> Are you going to be in the neighbuorhood?
>>
>>
> Not if I can help it.
> You may have seen this article or one like it.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18953088 And the Games
> haven't started yet.

No, I meant our neighbourhood. ;)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 00:46:25
Message: <500e28a1$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:47:25 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 23/07/2012 2:48 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> >Ah yes, how very British: The national Olympic sport of*complaining*.
>>> >;-)
>> I thought the national sport was queuing?
> 
> A double gold in complaining and queuing. :-)

So that's *two* gold medals you'll get without much effort. ;)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 00:58:51
Message: <500e2b8b$1@news.povray.org>
On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> No, I meant our neighbourhood.;)

Oh! No, I just thought it a good idea of yours to go to another 
continent while they are on.
I a contract at Mercedes HPP now. So maybe my favourite sport should be 
F1 racing.

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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 01:03:04
Message: <500e2c88$1@news.povray.org>
On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> So that's*two*  gold medals you'll get without much effort.;)

I don't know. It takes years of training to get to Olympic standards. 
And there is plenty of competition from our former colonies. :-P

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 16:35:40
Message: <500f071c$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 05:58:51 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> No, I meant our neighbourhood.;)
> 
> Oh! No, I just thought it a good idea of yours to go to another
> continent while they are on.

<relief> - here I was afraid you were saying you didn't want to meet us 
after all. ;)

> I a contract at Mercedes HPP now. So maybe my favourite sport should be
> F1 racing.

LOL


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 16:36:44
Message: <500f075c$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:03:04 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> So that's*two*  gold medals you'll get without much effort.;)
> 
> I don't know. It takes years of training to get to Olympic standards.

It's a good thing you've had thousands of years' head start, then. :P

> And there is plenty of competition from our former colonies. :-P

I dunno, I don't think we can compete with the cabbies there in London.  
The news has made it all the way to Utah about your 'militant cabbies'. ;)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 17:07:05
Message: <500f0e79$1@news.povray.org>
On 24/07/2012 9:36 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:03:04 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> So that's*two*  gold medals you'll get without much effort.;)
>>
>> I don't know. It takes years of training to get to Olympic standards.
>
> It's a good thing you've had thousands of years' head start, then. :P

There we go again, colonial inferiority complex. :-P ^2
>
>> And there is plenty of competition from our former colonies. :-P
>
> I dunno, I don't think we can compete with the cabbies there in London.
> The news has made it all the way to Utah about your 'militant cabbies'. ;)
>

It passed me by. ???
>


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 17:16:27
Message: <500f10ab$1@news.povray.org>
On 24/07/2012 9:35 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 05:58:51 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> No, I meant our neighbourhood.;)
>>
>> Oh! No, I just thought it a good idea of yours to go to another
>> continent while they are on.
>
> <relief> - here I was afraid you were saying you didn't want to meet us
> after all. ;)

What! Are you coming over? Of course I would love to meet up.

>
>> I a contract at Mercedes HPP now. So maybe my favourite sport should be
>> F1 racing.
>
> LOL
>
I feel like a fish out of water. Today I was finding excuses not to go 
to a race, next year, to do some User testing. Although there was talk 
of going to Mercedes MGP to steal a few ideas. That I could live with.

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 18:29:35
Message: <500f21cf$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:16:27 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 24/07/2012 9:35 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 05:58:51 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> No, I meant our neighbourhood.;)
>>>
>>> Oh! No, I just thought it a good idea of yours to go to another
>>> continent while they are on.
>>
>> <relief> - here I was afraid you were saying you didn't want to meet us
>> after all. ;)
> 
> What! Are you coming over? Of course I would love to meet up.

Sadly, no - I thought you were saying that you were coming over here 
during the London games.

Flights for us were really cheap during the 2002 games, and we were there 
during the games here.

>>> I a contract at Mercedes HPP now. So maybe my favourite sport should
>>> be F1 racing.
>>
>> LOL
>>
> I feel like a fish out of water. Today I was finding excuses not to go
> to a race, next year, to do some User testing. Although there was talk
> of going to Mercedes MGP to steal a few ideas. That I could live with.

:)

Just started a new contract this week - and new products to learn (and an 
old one to refresh my memory on).  :)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 24 Jul 2012 18:31:04
Message: <500f2228$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:07:05 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 24/07/2012 9:36 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:03:04 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/07/2012 5:46 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> So that's*two*  gold medals you'll get without much effort.;)
>>>
>>> I don't know. It takes years of training to get to Olympic standards.
>>
>> It's a good thing you've had thousands of years' head start, then. :P
> 
> There we go again, colonial inferiority complex. :-P ^2

Oh, no, for my part, I'm perfectly willing to let you have the gold on 
this one. ;)

>>> And there is plenty of competition from our former colonies. :-P
>>
>> I dunno, I don't think we can compete with the cabbies there in London.
>> The news has made it all the way to Utah about your 'militant cabbies'.
>> ;)
>>
>>
> It passed me by. ???

London cabbies are upset at the lane restrictions - apparently there are 
lanes being reserved for athletes and other officials for the games, and 
it's playing hell with the cabbies' ability to do their jobs.

There was a protest on Tower Bridge today from what I heard - with one 
driver even diving off the bridge.

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 26 Jul 2012 17:07:26
Message: <5011b18e$1@news.povray.org>
On 24/07/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

>>
>> What! Are you coming over? Of course I would love to meet up.
>
> Sadly, no - I thought you were saying that you were coming over here
> during the London games.
>

No, I was joking that I'd rather be in SLC during the London Olympics.


> Just started a new contract this week - and new products to learn (and an
> old one to refresh my memory on).  :)
>

I hope that it is a long one. And learning keeps your mind active. (I 
hope ;-) )


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 26 Jul 2012 17:12:56
Message: <5011b2d8@news.povray.org>
On 24/07/2012 11:31 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

>
> Oh, no, for my part, I'm perfectly willing to let you have the gold on
> this one. ;)
>

Got an image to keep up. ;-)


>
> London cabbies are upset at the lane restrictions - apparently there are
> lanes being reserved for athletes and other officials for the games, and
> it's playing hell with the cabbies' ability to do their jobs.
>
> There was a protest on Tower Bridge today from what I heard - with one
> driver even diving off the bridge.
>

Yes I heard about it now that you mention it.
It is typical. The Tory bar stewards don't care how much inconvenience 
they cause the working man if they can turn a profit.
Hell mend those who voted for Johnson. IMO, If you don't mind :-)

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 26 Jul 2012 19:09:53
Message: <5011ce41@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:07:26 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 24/07/2012 11:29 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> 
>>> What! Are you coming over? Of course I would love to meet up.
>>
>> Sadly, no - I thought you were saying that you were coming over here
>> during the London games.
>>
>>
> No, I was joking that I'd rather be in SLC during the London Olympics.

I see.  Well, having done the reverse, I can tell you that it was a good 
call on our part, even though they did get the traffic issues sorted out 
so getting around town was reportedly not bad.  But the office I was 
based out of was a block from where they were doing the awards 
ceremonies, so getting in there would've been a PITA regardless.

>> Just started a new contract this week - and new products to learn (and
>> an old one to refresh my memory on).  :)
>>
>>
> I hope that it is a long one. And learning keeps your mind active. (I
> hope ;-) )

So far it's slated to go through Dec 31 - but who knows what that might 
lead to.

I've got some ideas as to why the new product was on the list of things 
to work with.  It might have something to do with the fact that it's used 
for managing the testing environment for the other product. :)

And keeping my mind active - yeah, today was like that.  Spent time 
working with a SAML 2.0 connector for Apache that hadn't been touched/
updated in years, and got it completely working about 10 minutes ago with 
the current build of the software.

I *love* doing this kind of stuff, and the feeling of accomplishment that 
comes with figuring something out.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 26 Jul 2012 19:12:26
Message: <5011ceda$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:12:55 +0100, Stephen wrote:

>> Oh, no, for my part, I'm perfectly willing to let you have the gold on
>> this one. ;)
>>
> Got an image to keep up. ;-)

But of course. :)

>> London cabbies are upset at the lane restrictions - apparently there
>> are lanes being reserved for athletes and other officials for the
>> games, and it's playing hell with the cabbies' ability to do their
>> jobs.
>>
>> There was a protest on Tower Bridge today from what I heard - with one
>> driver even diving off the bridge.
>>
> Yes I heard about it now that you mention it.
> It is typical. The Tory bar stewards don't care how much inconvenience
> they cause the working man if they can turn a profit.
> Hell mend those who voted for Johnson. IMO, If you don't mind :-)

That's what you (they) get for voting a New Yorker into the mayor's 
office.  Especially one whose hair, if trained by Donald Trump, would be 
an improvement. ;)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 28 Jul 2012 12:14:13
Message: <50140fd5$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/07/2012 12:12 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> That's what you (they) get for voting a New Yorker into the mayor's
> office.  Especially one whose hair, if trained by Donald Trump, would be
> an improvement.;)

I think the word buffoon suits him.

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 28 Jul 2012 13:05:00
Message: <web.50141ae964aa2c99416eafdb0@news.povray.org>
right now, feminine beach volleyball... :)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 28 Jul 2012 13:42:46
Message: <50142496@news.povray.org>
On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:14:14 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 27/07/2012 12:12 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> That's what you (they) get for voting a New Yorker into the mayor's
>> office.  Especially one whose hair, if trained by Donald Trump, would
>> be an improvement.;)
> 
> I think the word buffoon suits him.

LOL

Though I have to say his rejoinder to one of our presidential candidates' 
demonstrated skills of dealing with people outside the US was quite 
good. ;)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 29 Jul 2012 02:29:24
Message: <5014d844$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/07/2012 12:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> So far it's slated to go through Dec 31 - but who knows what that might
> lead to.
>

Indeed, break a leg. :-)

> I've got some ideas as to why the new product was on the list of things
> to work with.  It might have something to do with the fact that it's used
> for managing the testing environment for the other product.:)
>
> And keeping my mind active - yeah, today was like that...
>
> I*love*  doing this kind of stuff, and the feeling of accomplishment that
> comes with figuring something out.

A good feeling. :-)

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 29 Jul 2012 13:54:12
Message: <501578c4@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:29:26 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 27/07/2012 12:09 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> So far it's slated to go through Dec 31 - but who knows what that might
>> lead to.
>>
> Indeed, break a leg. :-)

All I can do is what I can do - unfortunately, all hiring decisions are 
going to the CEO at present.  Even internal transfers are difficult if 
there's a pay adjustment, I hear.

But 5 months should give them some time to get the hurdles cleared, I 
hope.  The engineering manager said if it were up to him, I'd be back on 
as staff already.

>> I've got some ideas as to why the new product was on the list of things
>> to work with.  It might have something to do with the fact that it's
>> used for managing the testing environment for the other product.:)
>>
>> And keeping my mind active - yeah, today was like that...
>>
>> I*love*  doing this kind of stuff, and the feeling of accomplishment
>> that comes with figuring something out.
> 
> A good feeling. :-)

A very good feeling.  I took a component last week (first week back, no 
less) that hadn't been touched since 2010 and got it working without any 
major issues.  Had to ask one of the developers a couple questions, but 
it was really good to take something that had been abandoned after 
version 1.0 and figure out how to get it  working in the upcoming 1.6 
release. :)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 29 Jul 2012 17:16:37
Message: <5015a835$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/07/2012 6:42 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Though I have to say his rejoinder to one of our presidential candidates'
> demonstrated skills of dealing with people outside the US was quite
> good.;)


I preferred Dave Cameron's remark about it being easy to do in the 
middle of nowhere. It will be interesting to see how many friends were 
made by nbc cutting the Olympic memorial to the London bombings.

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Favorite Olympic Sport?
Date: 29 Jul 2012 17:21:06
Message: <5015a942$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:16:39 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 28/07/2012 6:42 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Though I have to say his rejoinder to one of our presidential
>> candidates'
>> demonstrated skills of dealing with people outside the US was quite
>> good.;)
> 
> 
> I preferred Dave Cameron's remark about it being easy to do in the
> middle of nowhere. It will be interesting to see how many friends were
> made by nbc cutting the Olympic memorial to the London bombings.

Oh, yes, I liked that as well.  As well as Mayor Becker's (the mayor of 
SLC) rejoinder that he'd be happy to provide your PM with a map of "the 
middle of nowhere" so he doesn't get lost - and a list of things he'll 
find in Utah that you won't find in the UK. :)

I'm glad I was able to watch the BBC version of the ceremonies - very 
little in the way of "you Americans are too stupid to understand the 
references so we'll talk over the music that you obviously don't care 
about to explain the things that anyone with a modicum of Google-fu can 
find out on their own".

Jim


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