At the risk of sounding dumb... It is actually possible to operate an 
iPod without using iTunes? Or should I just go out and buy a real MP3 
player?

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On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:18:05 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> At the risk of sounding dumb... It is actually possible to operate an
> iPod without using iTunes? 

Yes.

I've been using an iPod mini for years and never have used iTunes (iTunes 
isn't available for Linux).

Jim

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> At the risk of sounding dumb... It is actually possible to operate an
> iPod without using iTunes? Or should I just go out and buy a real MP3
> player?
>


I've used a couple of linux apps,  podracer and I think ones like gpod or
hpodder, to manage music and podcasts on a very early version ipod (the white
2GB 2"x4" model).  But it's hopelessly clunky and I got tired of living the
ghetto.

The Apple capabilities of Smart Playlists (mixing unplayed podcasts and
least-recently-played music) do not exist to my knowledge in Linux or Android.

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On 11/07/2011 03:47 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:18:05 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> At the risk of sounding dumb... It is actually possible to operate an
>> iPod without using iTunes?
>
> Yes.
>
> I've been using an iPod mini for years and never have used iTunes (iTunes
> isn't available for Linux).
>
> Jim

My linux recognizes the device and I'm able to drill into it just fine, 
and add pictures and music without problems but apps ... well a 
different story. I installed iTunes under CrossOver (a Wine 
implementation) ... and I'm good to go! BTW: talk about BloatWare ... 
iTunes would definitely qualify, but shhh ... I'd never admit saying 
that as my son works for Apple.

The other Jim

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On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:59:29 -0500, Jim Holsenback wrote:

> My linux recognizes the device and I'm able to drill into it just fine,
> and add pictures and music without problems but apps ... well a
> different story. I installed iTunes under CrossOver (a Wine
> implementation) ... and I'm good to go! BTW: talk about BloatWare ...
> iTunes would definitely qualify, but shhh ... I'd never admit saying
> that as my son works for Apple.

:)

For managing music, I use gnupod myself.  The mini doesn't really support 
photos or apps, so as just a straight music player, it works fine.

Jim

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On 11/7/2011 12:18, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> At the risk of sounding dumb... It is actually possible to operate an iPod
> without using iTunes? Or should I just go out and buy a real MP3 player?

If you're looking for an excellent stand-alone MP3 player, I highly 
recommend the sansa clip. It gets everything right. The built-in radio might 
not do the right frequencies for your country, tho, you might want to check 
on that if you care.

http://www.sandisk.com/products/sansa-music-and-video-players/sandisk-sansa-clipplus-mp3-player

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> At the risk of sounding dumb... It is actually possible to operate an
> iPod without using iTunes? Or should I just go out and buy a real MP3
> player?
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

Why would you want an iPod? (i'm not an apple hater, serious question)
For me, the most important thing in an mp3-player is audio quality, and from
what i heard that's not a particular strength of the iPod.

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On 07/11/2011 10:25 PM, Roman Reiner wrote:

> Why would you want an iPod? (i'm not an apple hater, serious question)
> For me, the most important thing in an mp3-player is audio quality, and from
> what i heard that's not a particular strength of the iPod.

An iPod certainly wouldn't be the thing I'd choose to go out and buy. 
(For a start it's presumably at least 15x the price of every comparaible 
device on the market...)

No, it's more the case that we happen to *have* an iPod now, and I'm 
wondering whether it's possible to use it or not.

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On 07/11/2011 08:59 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 11/07/2011 03:47 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

> The other Jim

Oh my god... There really are two! o_O

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"Roman Reiner" <lim### [at] gmxde> wrote:
>
> Why would you want an iPod? (i'm not an apple hater, serious question)

The playlist I listen to on my commute is a random mix of:
i) Favorite songs on heavy rotation (but least recently played in this set)
ii) Bearable songs on light rotation (but least recently played)
iii) Podcasts (randomly selected from unplayed from about 20 subscriptions).

If I am playing it with family in the car and one podcast episode is too boring
for them, I can skip ahead, and the ipod remembers where I was, and next time I
play it, picks up where I left off.

Each day I want to go refresh the playlist (get new podcasts, get played songs
off of it), it can be as simple as one mouse click operation (that of eject when
complete) to finish it.


In contrast, when I was using Linux's podracer and an iRiver player, I was
always in fear that something might happen to my power, because I'd lose track
of what was played. And fuggettabout making complex playlists.

Does anything like this exist for Android/Linux? (I am an ex-apple hater,
serious question).   (Anyone suggesting Google Listen hasn't tried it: try
adding a subscription ,that doesn't show up on their crippled search engine, on
an Android device).

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 07/11/2011 08:59 PM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> > On 11/07/2011 03:47 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> > The other Jim
>
> Oh my god... There really are two! o_O
>

And 2 Stephens 2, let's not forget. (there were 3)

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Le 2011-11-07 17:25, Roman Reiner a écrit :
> Orchid XP v8<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>> At the risk of sounding dumb... It is actually possible to operate an
>> iPod without using iTunes? Or should I just go out and buy a real MP3
>> player?
>>
>> --
>> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
>> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
>
> Why would you want an iPod? (i'm not an apple hater, serious question)
> For me, the most important thing in an mp3-player is audio quality, and from
> what i heard that's not a particular strength of the iPod.
>
>

mp3 and audio-quality in the same sentence??!!?!

*head explodes*

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On 08/11/2011 1:11 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
> mp3 and audio-quality in the same sentence??!!?!
>
> *head explodes*
>
> ;)

You can change the bit rate, you know. And the source quality pales into 
insignificance when you use in ear headphones.
I use my iphone for listening to audio books, mostly. I would not be 
without it now. I convert the MP3s to M4b so my place is kept.
If I want to listen to music "on the go" I use Bose noise reduction 
headphones.

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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 08/11/2011 1:11 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
> > mp3 and audio-quality in the same sentence??!!?!
> >
> > *head explodes*
> >
> > ;)

> You can change the bit rate, you know. And the source quality pales into 
> insignificance when you use in ear headphones.

  Also, I assume that many/most mp3 players support ogg, which gives an
even higher audio quality for the same bitrate. (I think the same is true
for AAC, which is more standardized, and should also have a higher quality
per bitrate than mp3.)

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>> You can change the bit rate, you know. And the source quality pales into
>> insignificance when you use in ear headphones.

People think I'm wierd because I use my MP3 player with real, full-size 
headphones that produce something which can be described as "sound quality".

>    Also, I assume that many/most mp3 players support ogg, which gives an
> even higher audio quality for the same bitrate.

My player holds only Ogg Vorbis files. Back when I got it, finding 
players which support Vorbis was quite hard... I don't know if that has 
changed now.

(Actually, the original firmware on mine kept crashing *far* too often, 
so I replaced it with RockBox. Apparently that lets you use any codec on 
any supported system, so...)

Also: "Ogg" is a container format, much like AVI. I'm not sure how it 
ended up that "Ogg" (a container format) came to mean "Vorbis" (a music 
codec that goes in an Ogg file). FLAC is called FLAC, Theora is called 
Theora, but Vorbis is called Ogg - even though all of these go in an Ogg 
file...

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> You can change the bit rate, you know. And the source quality pales into
> >> insignificance when you use in ear headphones.

> People think I'm wierd because I use my MP3 player with real, full-size 
> headphones that produce something which can be described as "sound quality".

  If you do that in public, you look like a dork. No offense intended.

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>> People think I'm wierd because I use my MP3 player with real, full-size
>> headphones that produce something which can be described as "sound quality".
>
>    If you do that in public, you look like a dork. No offense intended.

Also: If you wear a raincoat that actually keeps the rain off you, you 
look like a stalker. And you also stay dry. ;-)

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:33:02 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> No, it's more the case that we happen to *have* an iPod now, and I'm
> wondering whether it's possible to use it or not.

Is there some reason you wouldn't be able to use it?  You have Windows, 
iTunes runs on Windows....so iTunes is an option for you.

Jim

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 15:18:46 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> My player holds only Ogg Vorbis files. Back when I got it, finding
> players which support Vorbis was quite hard... I don't know if that has
> changed now.

Anything that you can install Rockbox on supports Ogg Vorbis just fine.

Which includes many iPods and the aforementioned Sanza Clip.

Jim

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On 08/11/2011 3:31 PM, Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>>>> You can change the bit rate, you know. And the source quality pales into
>>>> insignificance when you use in ear headphones.
>
>> People think I'm wierd because I use my MP3 player with real, full-size
>> headphones that produce something which can be described as "sound quality".
>
>    If you do that in public, you look like a dork. No offense intended.
>

Maybe in Finland.
In the South East of England you look like someone who cares about what 
they are listening to.

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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> Maybe in Finland.
> In the South East of England you look like someone who cares about what 
> they are listening to.

  I have never understood why some people are so obsessed with music.

  I have met several people like this. When they arrive at home from
school or work, what's the very first thing they do? Put some music on.
One particularly pathological case would immediately put MTV on, and he
would keep it on all day unless he watched something else on TV. And only
that. Anything else, MTV stayed on. Even if he eg. played some computer
game (with its own music), MTV would stay on. (This was back when MTV still
played mostly music videos.)

  It's actually hard to have a meaningful conversation with someone when
music is playing all the time. I have taken the principle that if I have
to raise my voice to be heard over the music, I don't. Either they get the
hint, or they aren't interested in what I'm saying anyways. Music is more
important to them.

  These people go so far as to being unable to concentrate eg. on homework
if music isn't playing. They are *dependent* on music. It's an addiction.
If there's no music playing they cannot concentrate. It's like a person who
is pathologically addicted to caffeine not having their morning coffee.
They can't do anything.

  Of course for most people it's not enough to have music playing at home.
They have to have music playing *all the freaking time*, which is why they
invented portable music players. This way these addicts can have their music
playing all the time, even though it risks their life. (Walking on the
street with music playing diminishes your capability of hearing the traffic
and other things happening around you, and could possibly distract you in
other ways as well.)

  Personally I can't stand constant music for over a half hour. It becomes
numbing and annoying pretty quick. (In a movie it's ok, because the music
has a purpose.) I never play music at home. (Pre-recorded music, that is.)

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>>> People think I'm wierd because I use my MP3 player with real, full-size
>>> headphones that produce something which can be described as "sound
>>> quality".
>>
>> If you do that in public, you look like a dork. No offense intended.
>
> Maybe in Finland.
> In the South East of England you look like someone who cares about what
> they are listening to.

Erm... no. You still look like a dork. Unfortunately.

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>> My player holds only Ogg Vorbis files. Back when I got it, finding
>> players which support Vorbis was quite hard... I don't know if that has
>> changed now.
>
> Anything that you can install Rockbox on supports Ogg Vorbis just fine.

Sure. But installing Rockbox isn't exactly a trivial operation. And it's 
not supported on every player on the market, only some of them. 
(Fortunately, mine is supported.)

My point was more that all players support MP3 out of the box, a few 
support WMA or AAC, but Ogg Vorbis seemed to be quite rare. I'm not sure 
if it still is or not...

> Which includes many iPods and the aforementioned Sanza Clip.

I'm actually kinda surprised it works on the iPod; you would have 
thought Apple would have gone to extreme lengths to prevent that.

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On 08/11/2011 06:26 PM, Warp wrote:

>    I have never understood why some people are so obsessed with music.
>
>    I have met several people like this. When they arrive at home from
> school or work, what's the very first thing they do? Put some music on.

I don't know about music specifically, but I've met a number of people 
who seem to need to be constantly surrounded by noise. Like, they will 
have the radio on, and the TV, and be reading a book. WTF is wrong with 
these people?!

Personally, if I'm not *watching* TV, I turn it off. (And I almost never 
watch TV. I've reached that age where I delude myself that there used to 
be good stuff to watch...) Actually I never listen to radio, because 
none of them play the music I like. Rather, if I *want* music, I will 
play something from my cavernous music library. That way, *I* choose 
what I listen to.

>    Personally I can't stand constant music for over a half hour. It becomes
> numbing and annoying pretty quick. (In a movie it's ok, because the music
> has a purpose.) I never play music at home. (Pre-recorded music, that is.)

I have a huge collection of CDs, and I quite often listen to them. But 
by that, I mean I sit and listen to the CD, and nothing else. I don't 
listen to music while doing something else, the listening *is* the thing 
I'm doing.

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>> No, it's more the case that we happen to *have* an iPod now, and I'm
>> wondering whether it's possible to use it or not.
>
> Is there some reason you wouldn't be able to use it?  You have Windows,
> iTunes runs on Windows....so iTunes is an option for you.

I was trying to avoid infecting a computer with iTunes.

With a normal player, you put music files on it, and it plays them. But 
this iPod doesn't appear to work like that at all. Already this makes 
everything much more complex. OK, it's not for me, it's for my mum. But 
you just *know* she's going to expect _me_ to fix it when it doesn't 
work. And so making things more complex isn't something I relish...

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:11:50 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> My player holds only Ogg Vorbis files. Back when I got it, finding
>>> players which support Vorbis was quite hard... I don't know if that
>>> has changed now.
>>
>> Anything that you can install Rockbox on supports Ogg Vorbis just fine.
> 
> Sure. But installing Rockbox isn't exactly a trivial operation. And it's
> not supported on every player on the market, only some of them.
> (Fortunately, mine is supported.)

That's the only thing that matters, then.

Oh, and installation?  Yes, it's trivial.  Download the current release, 
run the app, plug the player in - and the installer takes care of it for 
you.

> My point was more that all players support MP3 out of the box, a few
> support WMA or AAC, but Ogg Vorbis seemed to be quite rare. I'm not sure
> if it still is or not...

It is, which is why I recommend Rockbox myself (though I switch back and 
forth between Rockbox and the stock iPod firmware, because Rockbox 
doesn't support my dock).

>> Which includes many iPods and the aforementioned Sanza Clip.
> 
> I'm actually kinda surprised it works on the iPod; you would have
> thought Apple would have gone to extreme lengths to prevent that.

Well, it seems that in spite of any efforts they've made, it does work.  
I've been using it for years.

Just like Android handset manufacturers go to "extreme lengths" to 
prevent jailbreaking, yet jailbreaking phones is pretty commonplace - and 
in many cases, trivial.

Jim

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:15:55 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> WTF is wrong with these people?!

Nothing - all people are not the same, and some people can't deal with it 
being too quiet.

Just like some people can't deal with it being to noisy.

Or some people can't deal with being confined.

Or some people can't deal with heights.

Or some people ... you get the idea.

Jim

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:18:15 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> No, it's more the case that we happen to *have* an iPod now, and I'm
>>> wondering whether it's possible to use it or not.
>>
>> Is there some reason you wouldn't be able to use it?  You have Windows,
>> iTunes runs on Windows....so iTunes is an option for you.
> 
> I was trying to avoid infecting a computer with iTunes.

Why would you call it 'infecting'?  It's not a virus.  I'm no fan of 
Apple or of Windows, but I wouldn't call it an 'infection'.  Bloated?  
Yes.  Includes features I'd never use?  Very likely.

> With a normal player, you put music files on it, and it plays them. But
> this iPod doesn't appear to work like that at all. Already this makes
> everything much more complex. OK, it's not for me, it's for my mum. But
> you just *know* she's going to expect _me_ to fix it when it doesn't
> work. And so making things more complex isn't something I relish...

So then go for a "normal player". :)

Jim

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On 08/11/2011 7:18 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I was trying to avoid infecting a computer with iTunes.

If it is a free iPod then go for it. ITunes is not that bad.

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On 08/11/2011 7:08 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> People think I'm wierd because I use my MP3 player with real, full-size
>>>> headphones that produce something which can be described as "sound
>>>> quality".
>>>
>>> If you do that in public, you look like a dork. No offense intended.
>>
>> Maybe in Finland.
>> In the South East of England you look like someone who cares about what
>> they are listening to.
>
> Erm... no. You still look like a dork. Unfortunately.
>

LOL
But then, maybe I don't care.
I probably travel more than most people or I am past caring what people 
think of me. I am an old hippie after all.

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:48:39 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> But then, maybe I don't care.
> I probably travel more than most people or I am past caring what people
> think of me. I am an old hippie after all.

Indeed.  I've got a pair of full-sized Bose headphones that I quite like, 
especially for traveling.  If I look like a dork wearing them, so be it - 
I'll still be able to hear after flying on planes for a few years, even 
if I'm next to the engine.

Jim

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>> Erm... no. You still look like a dork. Unfortunately.
>>
>
> LOL
> But then, maybe I don't care.

You notice how I know I look like a dork, yet I still do it? ;-)

Life is all about priorities...

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On 08/11/2011 11:00 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Indeed.  I've got a pair of full-sized Bose headphones that I quite like,
> especially for traveling.  If I look like a dork wearing them, so be it -
> I'll still be able to hear after flying on planes for a few years, even
> if I'm next to the engine.

It is not just reducing the noise level but cutting out the frequencies 
that irritate. You can feel the peace and quiet descending when you 
switch them on. And the sound quality is good too. What does annoy me 
about Bose is that my ear pads are wearing out as my glasses rubbing off 
the surface. Bose does not sell replacements. Grrr!

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On 11/08/2011 02:48 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 08/11/2011 7:08 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>> People think I'm wierd because I use my MP3 player with real,
>>>>> full-size
>>>>> headphones that produce something which can be described as "sound
>>>>> quality".
>>>>
>>>> If you do that in public, you look like a dork. No offense intended.
>>>
>>> Maybe in Finland.
>>> In the South East of England you look like someone who cares about what
>>> they are listening to.
>>
>> Erm... no. You still look like a dork. Unfortunately.
>>
>
> LOL
> But then, maybe I don't care.
> I probably travel more than most people or I am past caring what people
> think of me. I am an old hippie after all.
>
LOL ... same here, the old hippie part anyways, just add pony-tail and a 
fedora, and that would be me ... je ne give a shit pas ;-)

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On 09/11/2011 7:38 AM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Erm... no. You still look like a dork. Unfortunately.
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>> But then, maybe I don't care.
>
> You notice how I know I look like a dork, yet I still do it? ;-)
>

One man's dork is another man's hero.

> Life is all about priorities...
>

And potatoes. ;-)

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On 09/11/2011 11:07 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> LOL ... same here, the old hippie part anyways, just add pony-tail and a
> fedora, and that would be me ... je ne give a shit pas ;-)

I'm not swapping my Akubra for a fedora and I've kept my hair short 
since it started to go noticeably grey.

Here's tae us, wha's like us?
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>>> Erm... no. You still look like a dork. Unfortunately.
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>> But then, maybe I don't care.
>> I probably travel more than most people or I am past caring what people
>> think of me. I am an old hippie after all.
>>
> LOL ... same here, the old hippie part anyways, just add pony-tail and a
> fedora, and that would be me ... je ne give a shit pas ;-)

I tried Fedora once, but I prefer Debian...

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On 11/09/2011 07:52 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Erm... no. You still look like a dork. Unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>> But then, maybe I don't care.
>>> I probably travel more than most people or I am past caring what people
>>> think of me. I am an old hippie after all.
>>>
>> LOL ... same here, the old hippie part anyways, just add pony-tail and a
>> fedora, and that would be me ... je ne give a shit pas ;-)
>
> I tried Fedora once, but I prefer Debian...

LOL ... you goof ;-)

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>>> LOL ... same here, the old hippie part anyways, just add pony-tail and a
>>> fedora, and that would be me ... je ne give a shit pas ;-)
>>
>> I tried Fedora once, but I prefer Debian...
>
> LOL ... you goof ;-)

Well, you *were* talking about hippies... What's more hippy than Linux? ;-)

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On 11/09/2011 09:13 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> LOL ... same here, the old hippie part anyways, just add pony-tail
>>>> and a
>>>> fedora, and that would be me ... je ne give a shit pas ;-)
>>>
>>> I tried Fedora once, but I prefer Debian...
>>
>> LOL ... you goof ;-)
>
> Well, you *were* talking about hippies... What's more hippy than Linux? ;-)

tie-dyed t-shirts and sandals (Birkenstocks) to name a few ...

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On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:21:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 08/11/2011 11:00 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Indeed.  I've got a pair of full-sized Bose headphones that I quite
>> like,
>> especially for traveling.  If I look like a dork wearing them, so be it
>> -
>> I'll still be able to hear after flying on planes for a few years, even
>> if I'm next to the engine.
> 
> It is not just reducing the noise level but cutting out the frequencies
> that irritate. You can feel the peace and quiet descending when you
> switch them on. And the sound quality is good too. What does annoy me
> about Bose is that my ear pads are wearing out as my glasses rubbing off
> the surface. Bose does not sell replacements. Grrr!

I'm on my second pair of these (the QC2 over-the-ear model).  The first 
ones had a manufacturing defect that caused the plastic to break over one 
of the ear cups.  They were old enough that I had to pay for replacments 
(about 50% of the cost).

But yes, they're great.  I use them to drown out the cats (with suitable 
music) while working/writing.

One thing I found with them on planes, though, is that if I just plug 
them in, they reduce the ambient noise to the point where I can actually 
hear the flight attendant.  Some frequencies they make it easier to hear 
by reducing the lower-end noise in the cabin.

Jim

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>>> Anything that you can install Rockbox on supports Ogg Vorbis just fine.
>>
>> Sure. But installing Rockbox isn't exactly a trivial operation. And it's
>> not supported on every player on the market, only some of them.
>> (Fortunately, mine is supported.)
>
> That's the only thing that matters, then.
>
> Oh, and installation?  Yes, it's trivial.  Download the current release,
> run the app, plug the player in - and the installer takes care of it for
> you.

There's an installer now? Damn... when I put RockBox on my player, it 
was a major operation! (Or maybe my player is just less supported than 
some of the others...)

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