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My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to watch.
Very odd.
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On 18/10/2011 05:01 AM, Darren New wrote:
> My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to watch.
> Very odd.
New Sony... what?
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Le 2011-10-18 05:31, Invisible a écrit :
> On 18/10/2011 05:01 AM, Darren New wrote:
>> My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to watch.
>> Very odd.
>
> New Sony... what?
Darren's 54" HD TV / portable phone / 18Mpixel DSLR camera / 5.1 surrond
sound system combo device, of course.
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On 18/10/2011 1:13 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Le 2011-10-18 05:31, Invisible a écrit :
>> On 18/10/2011 05:01 AM, Darren New wrote:
>>> My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to
>>> watch.
>>> Very odd.
>>
>> New Sony... what?
>
> Darren's 54" HD TV / portable phone / 18Mpixel DSLR camera / 5.1
> surrond sound system combo device, of course.
>
Is that the one with the built in eReader?
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to watch.
> Very odd.
Funny. I have no idea what you are talking about.
"Sony" is a company. "Reboot" is something you do to computers.
"Watching..." hmm, you watch movies. I suppose computers can be used
to watch movies. Does Sony make computers? They make consoles, which
are computers that can be rebooted (at least hard-booted).
Are you talking about a PS3? Watch what?
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On 18/10/2011 03:27 PM, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to watch.
>> Very odd.
>
> Funny. I have no idea what you are talking about.
I'm glad it's not just me...
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On 18/10/2011 4:36 PM, Invisible wrote:
> On 18/10/2011 03:27 PM, Warp wrote:
>> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>> My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to
>>> watch.
>>> Very odd.
>>
>> Funny. I have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> I'm glad it's not just me...
http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/sony-tablet
http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/vaio-notebooks
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On 10/18/2011 2:31, Invisible wrote:
> On 18/10/2011 05:01 AM, Darren New wrote:
>> My new Sony had to reboot 3 times before it was actually ready to watch.
>> Very odd.
>
> New Sony... what?
Sorry. New Sony TV. Me culpa.
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On 10/18/2011 5:13, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Darren's 54" HD TV / portable phone / 18Mpixel DSLR camera / 5.1 surrond
> sound system combo device, of course.
46" actually. The condo isn't that big.
But yah, the new Sony Bravia. You turn it on, it bounces around a bit, says
"Hey, I'm a 46" TV! I'm gonna go black now to finish configuration of the
hardware..." It then reboots. Then it says "Hey, do the initial setup,
including telling me your network settings and all." Then it says "Thanks
for the configuration! Now I'm gonna reboot!" Then it comes back and says
"Hey, there's new firmware, do you want it?" 10%...30%...100%... "I'm gonna
reboot to install the firmware!"
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On 10/18/2011 7:27, Warp wrote:
> Funny. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Sorry. Sony TV. Had it been an actual computer or game system or something,
it would have been par for the course. But a TV? :-)
Oh, and it also has trouble responding promptly to user input for half a
minute after you turn it on, with menus scrolling inconsistently and remote
keystrokes getting queued.
It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad as
our sophisticated and flexible computers.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Oh, and it also has trouble responding promptly to user input for half a
> minute after you turn it on, with menus scrolling inconsistently and remote
> keystrokes getting queued.
> It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad as
> our sophisticated and flexible computers.
It's almost becoming full circle. Back in the 50's or so it would take
a TV half a minute to warm up before the picture came on.
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On 18/10/2011 05:09 PM, Darren New wrote:
> But yah, the new Sony Bravia. You turn it on, it bounces around a bit,
> says "Hey, I'm a 46" TV! I'm gonna go black now to finish configuration
> of the hardware..." It then reboots. Then it says "Hey, do the initial
> setup, including telling me your network settings and all." Then it says
> "Thanks for the configuration! Now I'm gonna reboot!" Then it comes back
> and says "Hey, there's new firmware, do you want it?"
> 10%...30%...100%... "I'm gonna reboot to install the firmware!"
That's just poor. No other way to describe it.
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On 10/18/2011 9:42, Warp wrote:
> It's almost becoming full circle. Back in the 50's or so it would take
> a TV half a minute to warm up before the picture came on.
Half a minute? Try at least 3 or 4 before the picture was actually stable. :-)
I *am* amused that one of the selling points on the box is that it turns on
some 30% faster than the previous model.
Granted, it's a sophisticated beast, with a decent web browser, a wireless
DLNA renderer, a camera to notice you aren't actually watching TV any more
and turn itself off, control via HDMI of other various devices (like, you
can turn off the PS3 and/or sound system by turning off the TV if you set it
up that way), etc. For a thing like that, it's actually pretty quick to
start up and be ready. Faster even than the previous TV that did much less,
and 10x as fast as my phone (which also has poor responsiveness for several
minutes after being started up - when will people learn that desktop OSes do
real-time very poorly?)
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On 10/18/2011 10:04, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 18/10/2011 05:09 PM, Darren New wrote:
>
>> But yah, the new Sony Bravia. You turn it on, it bounces around a bit,
>> says "Hey, I'm a 46" TV! I'm gonna go black now to finish configuration
>> of the hardware..." It then reboots. Then it says "Hey, do the initial
>> setup, including telling me your network settings and all." Then it says
>> "Thanks for the configuration! Now I'm gonna reboot!" Then it comes back
>> and says "Hey, there's new firmware, do you want it?"
>> 10%...30%...100%... "I'm gonna reboot to install the firmware!"
>
> That's just poor. No other way to describe it.
Yet, in practice, nobody really cares.
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>> That's just poor. No other way to describe it.
>
> Yet, in practice, nobody really cares.
EXCEPT ME, of course...
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> with a decent web browser
What does a TV need a web browser for?
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On 18/10/2011 06:42 PM, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> with a decent web browser
>
> What does a TV need a web browser for?
+1
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On 10/18/2011 10:42, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> with a decent web browser
>
> What does a TV need a web browser for?
Why not? It also has widgets. And you can listen to pandora and watch movies
and netflix and youtube and all that. I mean, that's the goal of OSS, yes?
To make stuff like that available everywhere?
And I can turn on my TV and browse the pictures on my phone without any
other devices. It's pretty awesome, actually.
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On 10/18/2011 12:45, Darren New wrote:
> And I can turn on my TV and browse the pictures on my phone without any
> other devices. It's pretty awesome, actually.
Oh, and in theory, I should be able to play my media off my media server
either on the TV or the phone, and be able to upload stuff from my phone to
my media server. DLNA is pretty cool, if people were to actually implement
all of it, but I'm waiting for my new computer before I try to build the
whole thing up to where I can tell for sure if I can upload wirelessly from
my phone to my media library on Windows or whether I'd need to get some sort
of stand-alone server (or Linux box, for that matter).
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> On 10/18/2011 10:42, Warp wrote:
> > Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >> with a decent web browser
> >
> > What does a TV need a web browser for?
> Why not?
A TV may not be the optimal platform for surfing the web because of
several reasons. For one, surfing the web is most convenient with a mouse
and keyboard, or a touchscreen. Surfing the web with a remote control is
not very convenient, to say the least.
Also, a TV is usually far from the user. Even if it's a big TV and has
a high resolution (ie. is a HD TV), it may still be difficult to read the
smallest text in web pages. Usually devices used to surf the web (such as
computers, laptops, tablets, cellphones) are held close for a reason.
Thirdly, surfing the web requires a computer. A computer requires
additional electricity (on top of what the display itself requires),
which seems a waste, especially in the modern world economic situation,
not to talk about the climate.
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On 10/18/2011 13:11, Warp wrote:
> A TV may not be the optimal platform for surfing the web because of
> several reasons. For one, surfing the web is most convenient with a mouse
> and keyboard, or a touchscreen. Surfing the web with a remote control is
> not very convenient, to say the least.
While true, it's also the case that I can use my phone to surf the web on
the TV, which is also cool. Especially since my phone has a real (almost)
keyboard on it. Or I can plug in a USB keyboard or bluetooth keyboard.
I wouldn't want to use it all the time, but if I wanted to show something on
a 46" screen, it's hard to beat it. :-)
> Also, a TV is usually far from the user. Even if it's a big TV and has
> a high resolution (ie. is a HD TV), it may still be difficult to read the
> smallest text in web pages. Usually devices used to surf the web (such as
> computers, laptops, tablets, cellphones) are held close for a reason.
Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading glasses
to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen two feet away. ;-)
> Thirdly, surfing the web requires a computer. A computer requires
> additional electricity (on top of what the display itself requires),
> which seems a waste, especially in the modern world economic situation,
> not to talk about the climate.
The TV already has a computer in it, to process the HDMI and all that other
stuff. And if you want to surf the web, then you need the screen *and* the
computer. And the screen could (if so designed) turn off the parts of the
computation devices that aren't being used for rendering when you're indeed
not using them. There's probably not much extra hardware involved if you
want the motion improvement, the play-from-a-USB-stick, the DLNA, etc. I
don't imagine they had to add more memory for webkit than they did for
youtube, for example.
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Le 2011-10-18 17:47, Darren New a écrit :
> Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading
> glasses to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen
> two feet away. ;-)
>
HD TV rule of thumb: Diagonal screen size X 3 = best viewing distance.
46" X 3 = 138"
138" / 6' X 1' / 12" = 1.91666666666667 times too close to the screen,
or as ym late mom would say "you're going to burn your eyes out!"
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On 10/18/2011 16:02, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Le 2011-10-18 17:47, Darren New a écrit :
>> Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading
>> glasses to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen
>> two feet away. ;-)
>>
>
> HD TV rule of thumb: Diagonal screen size X 3 = best viewing distance
.
Actually, some folks say 2x-3x or so, since the diagonal is longer compar
ed
to the size and the pixels are smaller. But of course it's the TV
manufacturers and salesmen telling you that.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000021501
It's actually closer to 8 feet for me, even counting the couch and such.
But
that wasn't really the point I was making. :-)
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And lo On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:09:54 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake thusly:
> On 10/18/2011 5:13, Francois Labreque wrote:
>> Darren's 54" HD TV / portable phone / 18Mpixel DSLR camera / 5.1 surrond
>> sound system combo device, of course.
>
> 46" actually. The condo isn't that big.
>
> But yah, the new Sony Bravia. You turn it on, it bounces around a bit,
> says "Hey, I'm a 46" TV! I'm gonna go black now to finish configuration
> of the hardware..." It then reboots. Then it says "Hey, do the initial
> setup, including telling me your network settings and all." Then it
> says "Thanks for the configuration! Now I'm gonna reboot!" Then it
> comes back and says "Hey, there's new firmware, do you want it?"
> 10%...30%...100%... "I'm gonna reboot to install the firmware!"
Probably two operating systems - hardware and user interfacing; the latter
can read but not write to the hardware and so it needs to reboot to the
other OS to save things. A bit like the PS3 updates.
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On 10/19/2011 4:31, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> Probably two operating systems - hardware and user interfacing; the latter
> can read but not write to the hardware and so it needs to reboot to the
> other OS to save things. A bit like the PS3 updates.
I was thinking that it was the same motherboard (for example) regardless of
the size of the screen, number of HDMIs, etc. So the easiest way to
configure is to have the start-up programs poll the hardware the first time,
configure things into flash, and then reboot to initialize everything.
For consumer electronics, there's often two boot partitions, and they get
updated in two separate steps of rebooting so if one fails, it still can
boot the other.
Interestingly enough, it turns out that when I turn on the TV, the screen
comes on within a couple of seconds, and the "select input" button (i.e.,
which HDMI port you're watching) goes active a couple seconds later, but if
you hit the menu key, the first 20 seconds it just says "Powering on, please
wait..." and then after that for another 20 or 30 seconds, you can watch the
menus getting populated one by one. The web browser is really slow (and
apparently not based on webkit, given the rendering flaws), so I wouldn't be
surprised if the whole UI is written in javascript.
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On 10/18/2011 12:12 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/18/2011 7:27, Warp wrote:
>> Funny. I have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> Sorry. Sony TV. Had it been an actual computer or game system or
> something, it would have been par for the course. But a TV? :-)
>
> Oh, and it also has trouble responding promptly to user input for half a
> minute after you turn it on, with menus scrolling inconsistently and
> remote keystrokes getting queued.
>
> It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad
> as our sophisticated and flexible computers.
>
Can't wait till the dish washer blue screens.....
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:12:44 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad
> as our sophisticated and flexible computers.
Indeed. Remember when you used to just be able to pick up a telephone
and get a dial tone? ;)
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:47:41 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>> Also, a TV is usually far from the user. Even if it's a big TV and
>> has
>> a high resolution (ie. is a HD TV), it may still be difficult to read
>> the smallest text in web pages. Usually devices used to surf the web
>> (such as computers, laptops, tablets, cellphones) are held close for a
>> reason.
>
> Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading
> glasses to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen
> two feet away. ;-)
Indeed, on our 8' screen, using the PS3 to surf isn't too bad and is
pretty easy to read. Though I wish Sony would update the web browser
(esp. flash) on the PS3, because many sites just won't render flash on it.
Jim
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>> It's getting to the point where our consumer electronics is just as bad
>> as our sophisticated and flexible computers.
>
> Can't wait till the dish washer blue screens.....
Our dish washer got to the point where every time you made it wash
something, it just said "ER99" and wouldn't do anything until you reboot it.
No, I'm not kidding.
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On 10/19/2011 11:56, Jim Henderson wrote:
> (esp. flash) on the PS3, because many sites just won't render flash on it.
I found it especially amusing that I had a gaming console hooked up to a
five-foot-wide TV, and the PS3 insisted on watching only the 240-pixel
resolution videos on youtube.
Fortunately, the new TV actually shows HD if possible.
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On 10/19/2011 11:52, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Indeed. Remember when you used to just be able to pick up a telephone
> and get a dial tone? ;)
Someone said something like "I used to wish my computer was as easy to use
as my phone. Unfortunately, my wish has come true."
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:53:33 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/19/2011 11:56, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> (esp. flash) on the PS3, because many sites just won't render flash on
>> it.
>
> I found it especially amusing that I had a gaming console hooked up to a
> five-foot-wide TV, and the PS3 insisted on watching only the 240-pixel
> resolution videos on youtube.
Yeah, that annoys me as well - it does the same thing when hooked up to
our projector.
I end up having to grab movie trailers from somewhere in order to see
them in full 1080p resolution. Kinda annoying.
> Fortunately, the new TV actually shows HD if possible.
That's pretty nice that it does that. :)
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:54:21 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> On 10/19/2011 11:52, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Indeed. Remember when you used to just be able to pick up a telephone
>> and get a dial tone? ;)
>
> Someone said something like "I used to wish my computer was as easy to
> use as my phone. Unfortunately, my wish has come true."
Be careful what you wish for. ;)
Reminds me of an X-Files episode.
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On 19/10/2011 09:41 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Our dish washer got to the point where every time you made it wash
> something, it just said "ER99" and wouldn't do anything until you reboot
> it.
In case anybody was wondering, the fix was quite simple: We took the
machine to the skip, and bought a new one.
Does anybody see how broken the world is becoming?
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And lo On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:56:10 +0100, Jim Henderson
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake thusly:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:47:41 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>
>>> Also, a TV is usually far from the user. Even if it's a big TV and
>>> has
>>> a high resolution (ie. is a HD TV), it may still be difficult to read
>>> the smallest text in web pages. Usually devices used to surf the web
>>> (such as computers, laptops, tablets, cellphones) are held close for a
>>> reason.
>>
>> Actually, I've found quite the opposite. Wait until you need reading
>> glasses to say a 46" screen six feet away is harder than a 21" screen
>> two feet away. ;-)
>
> Indeed, on our 8' screen, using the PS3 to surf isn't too bad and is
> pretty easy to read. Though I wish Sony would update the web browser
> (esp. flash) on the PS3, because many sites just won't render flash on
> it.
And on a smaller screen or at a greater distance R3 zooms in with L2 and
R2 controlling the level. Yes the NetFront browser is a pain for Flash; I
also often keep Javascript turned off due to the many lock-ups, slow-downs
and errors it can throw up.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
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On the gripping hand, I just did a factory-image-reinstall on my Win7
laptop, and it did five or six reboots before it got to the
hardware-specific part, and it looks like it's going to reboot for each of
the 73 hardware-specific device drivers too. Now *that* is getting a bit
silly. :-)
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
People tell me I am the counter-example.
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