On 06/10/2011 11:23 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:56:26 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 06/10/2011 7:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> There is. And when the BIOS runs, numlock is on. Once the Linux kernel
>>> finishes loading, it turns off. (And if you press the key to turn it
>>> back on, it stays on until you log into something...)
>>
>> Another reason to give Linux a miss.
>
> <shrug>   Works just fine for 99% of the users I've talked to.  And I've
> talked to a lot of Linux users. :)
>
Ye’r not biased by any chance?

Actually I can’t be bothered to learn another OS and like Andrew I’ve 
got lots of s/ware that works on Windoze.



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     Stephen

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On 05/10/2011 3:58 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I blame the education system. I don’t know what for but something is to
>> >  blame.
> Technology.  Why should one have to figure out how to do sums when
> everyone has a phone with a calculator built into it?

Basics?

And you don't want to look like a tosser walking around a supermarket 
with a calculator. Keep a running total in your head.

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     Stephen

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On 05/10/2011 4:50 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> (Then again, it'll take you 20 seconds just to cancel out of the random
>> >  submenu that the phone has opened in your pocket for no defined reason.)
> Well, that's why I put a shortcut on the screen for it.:)
>

In Windoze:

Start > type calc [enter]

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     Stephen

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:34:11 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 05/10/2011 3:58 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I blame the education system. I don’t know what for but something is
>>> to
>>> >  blame.
>> Technology.  Why should one have to figure out how to do sums when
>> everyone has a phone with a calculator built into it?
> 
> Basics?
> 
> And you don't want to look like a tosser walking around a supermarket
> with a calculator. Keep a running total in your head.

I rather have a shopping list. :)

And for something like a running total, round numbers are "good enough".

But one of the trends in learning in general is that people tend to not 
try to remember facts because they can be looked up so easily.  This is 
analogous to people not being able to do basic arithmetic because of the 
ubiquity of technology that makes it unnecessary.

I'm not saying it's a particularly good thing, but it's the way people 
tend to behave.

Jim

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:37:23 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 05/10/2011 4:50 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> (Then again, it'll take you 20 seconds just to cancel out of the
>>> random
>>> >  submenu that the phone has opened in your pocket for no defined
>>> >  reason.)
>> Well, that's why I put a shortcut on the screen for it.:)
>>
>>
> In Windoze:
> 
> Start > type calc [enter]

In Linux:

In the already running terminal window (on my system, I always have one 
running), "bc".

Jim

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:32:15 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 06/10/2011 11:23 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:56:26 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/10/2011 7:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> There is. And when the BIOS runs, numlock is on. Once the Linux
>>>> kernel finishes loading, it turns off. (And if you press the key to
>>>> turn it back on, it stays on until you log into something...)
>>>
>>> Another reason to give Linux a miss.
>>
>> <shrug>   Works just fine for 99% of the users I've talked to.  And
>> I've talked to a lot of Linux users. :)
>>
> Ye’r not biased by any chance?

Oh, yes, I'm biased, and I don't try to hide it. :)

> Actually I can’t be bothered to learn another OS and like Andrew I’ve
> got lots of s/ware that works on Windoze.

Whereas I can't be bothered to use Windows for the vast majority of what 
I use a computer for these days, and I don't have a collection of Windows 
software holding me back. <gd&rvvvf>

But my point above was that if you're citing "numlock doesn't behave the 
way I'm used to" as "another reason to give Linux a miss", it's not 
really that great of a reason. ;)

Jim

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On 10/6/2011 15:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
> <shrug>   Works just fine for 99% of the users I've talked to.

Other than audio and a couple other things, where I have a text file on the 
desktop with the command lines to fix the f'ing problem the three or four 
times a week it crops up.

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:38:21 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 10/6/2011 15:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> <shrug>   Works just fine for 99% of the users I've talked to.
> 
> Other than audio and a couple other things, where I have a text file on
> the desktop with the command lines to fix the f'ing problem the three or
> four times a week it crops up.

Which problem, numlock for you too?

I've got openSUSE or SLE installed on 4 systems here and never have had a 
problem with the numlock, and I can't recall ever seeing anyone ask a 
question about it on the openSUSE forums.

Jim

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On 10/6/2011 16:55, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:38:21 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2011 15:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> <shrug>    Works just fine for 99% of the users I've talked to.
>>
>> Other than audio and a couple other things, where I have a text file on
>> the desktop with the command lines to fix the f'ing problem the three or
>> four times a week it crops up.
>
> Which problem, numlock for you too?

No. Audio, and a few other things I probably shouldn't talk about. Along 
with random weird-ass flakiness in the alert bar thing, randomly moving 
things around, truncating them, duplicating them, etc. (The thing by default 
in the top-right corner of Ubuntu, for example, with the date and the login 
and the battery info, which just arbitrarily decides not to work on 
occasion. Almost as fucked as Windows Sidebar. :-)

Randomly deciding which audio device it's going to use is rather annoying 
when I'm trying to dial into a conference and I have to power-cycle the 
machine to get it to recognize USB ports again.

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   How come I never get only one kudo?

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:58:36 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> On 10/6/2011 16:55, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:38:21 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/6/2011 15:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> <shrug>    Works just fine for 99% of the users I've talked to.
>>>
>>> Other than audio and a couple other things, where I have a text file
>>> on the desktop with the command lines to fix the f'ing problem the
>>> three or four times a week it crops up.
>>
>> Which problem, numlock for you too?
> 
> No. Audio, and a few other things I probably shouldn't talk about. Along
> with random weird-ass flakiness in the alert bar thing, randomly moving
> things around, truncating them, duplicating them, etc. (The thing by
> default in the top-right corner of Ubuntu, for example, with the date
> and the login and the battery info, which just arbitrarily decides not
> to work on occasion. Almost as fucked as Windows Sidebar. :-)
> 
> Randomly deciding which audio device it's going to use is rather
> annoying when I'm trying to dial into a conference and I have to
> power-cycle the machine to get it to recognize USB ports again.

If it's openSUSE, we've got a guy who's really good with audio issues who 
probably can work out what the issue is.

Though given that you said Ubuntu, I'm guessing it's not openSUSE....

Some people have success IIRC by removing pulseaudio.  That seems to 
cause more issues than it resolves.

Jim

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