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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 6 Oct 2011 13:59:26
Message: <4e8dec7e$2@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:18:55 -0400, Alain wrote:
>> Sure, there are benefits. I'd have to be stupid not to know *that*.
>>
>> Jim
>
> I've never ever seen any calculator with the 1 2 3 keys at the top.
> Phones, yes, always, calculators, never.
*headdesk*
You're right - I'm wrong. That's what I get for not having a calculator
in front of me. ;)
Jim
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 6 Oct 2011 14:00:08
Message: <4e8deca8$1@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:36:04 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>> Ever noticed that the keyboard has a calculator side pad?
>>>>
>>>> Not on my laptop.
>>>
>>> My new laptop does though. ;-)
>>
>> I've seen a few laptops that have them, but the vast majority
>> (especially if you have a 'standard' (as opposed to 'wide') screen.
>
> Uh... I /think/ I understand what you wrote...
The laptops that have them tend to be widescreen laptops, as that gives
more room for an extended keyboard.
>>> From what I've seen, both layouts are equally common.
>>
>> Not on a computer - at least not that I've ever seen. On a calculator,
>> that may be true - I've only got 2 or 3 actual calculators here.
>
> Yeah, the whole keyboard layout on an IBM PC is pretty much standard. I
> meant more generally on devices with 10-digit input. Telephones,
> calculators, combination locks, etc.
Yes, those do tend to vary.
Jim
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 6 Oct 2011 14:04:58
Message: <4e8dedca$1@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:38:22 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> I'm still trying to figure out how to make it permanently impossible
>>> to ever turn numlock off under any circumstances. Every single ****ing
>>> time I use Linux, I seem to have to turn numlock back on every 20
>>> seconds. I DO NOT EVER WANT IT TO TURN OFF!!!>_<
>>
>> It never changes state here for me automatically.
>
> Interesting. Every time I boot the PC, it turns off. Every time I log in
> to the shell, it turns off. Every time I start X, it turns off. Every
> time I stop X, it turns off. Every time I log out of the shell, it turns
> off. It /constantly/ turns off.
Mine never turns off on its own. Just switched between several VTs and
my X session, the state didn't change at all.
Now in YaST (openSUSE here, so it'll be somewhere else in other distros),
under the system keyboard, there is a setting for numlock state. Mine's
set to use the BIOS settings. Perhaps your setting is set to turn it on/
off or to leave it untouched. That might get you fixed for it.
> Wait for the PC to boot up, turn on numlock, log in, turn numlock back
> on, start X, turn numlock back on /again/. Teach the X configuration.
> Stop X. Turn numlock back on. Start KDM. Turn numlock back on. Log in as
> a user. Turn numlock on again. See the pattern here?
>
> I did once see somebody from the local LUG explain how to keep numlock
> permanently enabled in the shell, but it didn't seem to affect X.
"in the shell" - do you mean on a VT? Or is it changing when you open a
term window in X?
Jim
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On 06/10/2011 6:38 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Interesting. Every time I boot the PC, it turns off.
IIRC there should be a setting in the BIOS to turn it on at start up.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 06/10/2011 07:05 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 06/10/2011 6:38 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Interesting. Every time I boot the PC, it turns off.
>
> IIRC there should be a setting in the BIOS to turn it on at start up.
There is. And when the BIOS runs, numlock is on. Once the Linux kernel
finishes loading, it turns off. (And if you press the key to turn it
back on, it stays on until you log into something...)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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>> Interesting. Every time I boot the PC, it turns off. Every time I log in
>> to the shell, it turns off. Every time I start X, it turns off. Every
>> time I stop X, it turns off. Every time I log out of the shell, it turns
>> off. It /constantly/ turns off.
>
> Mine never turns off on its own. Just switched between several VTs and
> my X session, the state didn't change at all.
OK, well I guess it varies by distro then. This was, IIRC, Debian "potato".
>> I did once see somebody from the local LUG explain how to keep numlock
>> permanently enabled in the shell, but it didn't seem to affect X.
>
> "in the shell" - do you mean on a VT? Or is it changing when you open a
> term window in X?
I mean in the text-mode screen that appears before you tell X Windows to
start up. (I didn't have it configured to run at startup.)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 06/10/2011 7:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> There is. And when the BIOS runs, numlock is on. Once the Linux kernel
> finishes loading, it turns off. (And if you press the key to turn it
> back on, it stays on until you log into something...)
Another reason to give Linux a miss.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 06/10/2011 07:56 PM, Stephen wrote:
> On 06/10/2011 7:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> There is. And when the BIOS runs, numlock is on. Once the Linux kernel
>> finishes loading, it turns off. (And if you press the key to turn it
>> back on, it stays on until you log into something...)
>
> Another reason to give Linux a miss.
Linux is OK. The main reason I don't use it is that I have thousands of
pounds worth of software that only runs on Windows.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 6 Oct 2011 18:23:13
Message: <4e8e2a51$1@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:56:26 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 06/10/2011 7:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> There is. And when the BIOS runs, numlock is on. Once the Linux kernel
>> finishes loading, it turns off. (And if you press the key to turn it
>> back on, it stays on until you log into something...)
>
> Another reason to give Linux a miss.
<shrug> Works just fine for 99% of the users I've talked to. And I've
talked to a lot of Linux users. :)
Jim
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Is this the end of the world as we know it?
Date: 6 Oct 2011 18:24:19
Message: <4e8e2a93@news.povray.org>
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:50:34 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Interesting. Every time I boot the PC, it turns off. Every time I log
>>> in to the shell, it turns off. Every time I start X, it turns off.
>>> Every time I stop X, it turns off. Every time I log out of the shell,
>>> it turns off. It /constantly/ turns off.
>>
>> Mine never turns off on its own. Just switched between several VTs and
>> my X session, the state didn't change at all.
>
> OK, well I guess it varies by distro then. This was, IIRC, Debian
> "potato".
Possible. At the very least, there are ways to configure it to not do
what you're seeing, but not knowing Debian, I couldn't tell you how on
that distribution.
>>> I did once see somebody from the local LUG explain how to keep numlock
>>> permanently enabled in the shell, but it didn't seem to affect X.
>>
>> "in the shell" - do you mean on a VT? Or is it changing when you open
>> a term window in X?
>
> I mean in the text-mode screen that appears before you tell X Windows to
> start up. (I didn't have it configured to run at startup.)
That's a "virtual terminal" or VT. aka the "Console".
Jim
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