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OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
hide from the light!
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On 13/09/2011 09:32 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
> hide from the light!
BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
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On 09/13/2011 05:40 AM, Invisible wrote:
> On 13/09/2011 09:32 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
>> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
>> hide from the light!
>
> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>
yes ... and even if no one is there when a tree falls, it DOES make a noise
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On 13/09/2011 09:46 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> yes ... and even if no one is there when a tree falls, it DOES make a noise
And if a man speaks in a forest, he is still wrong, even if no woman is
there to hear him.
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On 13/09/2011 09:40 AM, Invisible wrote:
> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
...and now I'm listening to my TMBG collection. With all the constant
dictionary lookups that entails.
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On 09/13/2011 05:40 AM, Invisible wrote:
> On 13/09/2011 09:32 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
>> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
>> hide from the light!
>
> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>
ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
howling in the distance ;-)
lol ... it's going to be a good day ... I've started off with a laugh!
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On 13/09/2011 10:06 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 09/13/2011 05:40 AM, Invisible wrote:
>> On 13/09/2011 09:32 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
>>> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
>>> hide from the light!
>>
>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>
> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
> howling in the distance ;-)
It's a full moon here toooooooooooo
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On 13/09/2011 09:52 AM, Invisible wrote:
> ...and now I'm listening to my TMBG collection. With all the constant
> dictionary lookups that entails.
Suddenly "dictionary attack" takes on a whole new meaning. o_O
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Jim Holsenback <nom### [at] nomail com> wrote:
> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
> hide from the light!
In the original Dracula novel the eponymous character was not even
annoyed by sunlight. (But IIRC he was unable to transform.)
IIRC also in the original Dracula movie sunlight wasn't such a big
problem.
The whole sunlight thing was invented by the movie Nosferatu. For some
reason it stuck.
Comparing those two movies is actually interesting, as they both set
precedents that have lasted to this day. The former set the precedent for
an elegant suave aristocrat gentleman who would lure their victims using
his sheer charm and personality (with possible bits of hypnosis).
The latter set the precedent for the deformed, big-fanged, pointy-eared
(and hence more bat-like) vampire, which also sees its uses nowadays to
larger or lesser extent.
A mix between the two is also sometimes used, with the vampire transforming
between the two forms (like in Buffy). For some reason the lethality of
sunlight is (almost) always retained in both characterizations, though
(except for those few movies that try to be loyal to the original novel).
--
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On 13/09/2011 11:38 AM, Warp wrote:
> IIRC also in the original Dracula movie sunlight wasn't such a big
> problem.
>
> The whole sunlight thing was invented by the movie Nosferatu. For some
> reason it stuck.
I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
> Comparing those two movies is actually interesting, as they both set
> precedents that have lasted to this day. The former set the precedent for
> an elegant suave aristocrat gentleman who would lure their victims using
> his sheer charm and personality (with possible bits of hypnosis).
So, the "evil genius" character?
> The latter set the precedent for the deformed, big-fanged, pointy-eared
> (and hence more bat-like) vampire, which also sees its uses nowadays to
> larger or lesser extent.
Random monster.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 13/09/2011 11:38 AM, Warp wrote:
> > IIRC also in the original Dracula movie sunlight wasn't such a big
> > problem.
> >
> > The whole sunlight thing was invented by the movie Nosferatu. For some
> > reason it stuck.
> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
It's well known trivia.
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Le 2011/09/13 04:46, Jim Holsenback a écrit :
> On 09/13/2011 05:40 AM, Invisible wrote:
>> On 13/09/2011 09:32 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
>>> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
>>> hide from the light!
>>
>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>
> yes ... and even if no one is there when a tree falls, it DOES make a noise
No, it only make a noise if there is at least one person to perceive it
as a noise. Noise is a question of perception.
It ALWAYS make a _sound_.
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Le 2011/09/13 06:38, Warp a écrit :
> Jim Holsenback<nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
>> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
>> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
>> hide from the light!
>
> In the original Dracula novel the eponymous character was not even
> annoyed by sunlight. (But IIRC he was unable to transform.)
>
> IIRC also in the original Dracula movie sunlight wasn't such a big
> problem.
>
> The whole sunlight thing was invented by the movie Nosferatu. For some
> reason it stuck.
>
> Comparing those two movies is actually interesting, as they both set
> precedents that have lasted to this day. The former set the precedent for
> an elegant suave aristocrat gentleman who would lure their victims using
> his sheer charm and personality (with possible bits of hypnosis).
>
> The latter set the precedent for the deformed, big-fanged, pointy-eared
> (and hence more bat-like) vampire, which also sees its uses nowadays to
> larger or lesser extent.
>
> A mix between the two is also sometimes used, with the vampire transforming
> between the two forms (like in Buffy). For some reason the lethality of
> sunlight is (almost) always retained in both characterizations, though
> (except for those few movies that try to be loyal to the original novel).
>
In a variation, older master vampires are imune to Sun light, although
it may prevent them from using some abilities. It's assumed that they
protect themselves with their sheer will.
But, for lesser vampires that have been recently transformed, Sun light
can range from totaly debilitating, causing total paralisis, to
instantly deadly.
As new vampires ages, they may gain some progressive imunity to the Sun,
making it only harmfull rahter than deadly. Something like geting sun
burns in only a few seconds...
Alain
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Alain <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:
> In a variation, older master vampires are imune to Sun light, although
> it may prevent them from using some abilities. It's assumed that they
> protect themselves with their sheer will.
> But, for lesser vampires that have been recently transformed, Sun light
> can range from totaly debilitating, causing total paralisis, to
> instantly deadly.
> As new vampires ages, they may gain some progressive imunity to the Sun,
> making it only harmfull rahter than deadly. Something like geting sun
> burns in only a few seconds...
As a curious variation (minor spoiler alert), vampires in the Twilight
saga are impervious to sunlight, but they still avoid it because it makes
it very obvious that they are not normal.
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On 9/13/2011 10:05, Alain wrote:
> It ALWAYS make a _sound_.
How do you know?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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Invisible escreveu:
> On 13/09/2011 11:38 AM, Warp wrote:
>
>> IIRC also in the original Dracula movie sunlight wasn't such a big
>> problem.
>>
>> The whole sunlight thing was invented by the movie Nosferatu. For some
>> reason it stuck.
>
> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
People from this planet read and watch movies. Nosferatu is a
well-known classic movie.
--
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>> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
>
> It's well known trivia.
Your definition of "well known" terrifies me.
Then again, "well known" and "trivia" are practically antonyms, so...
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
> >
> > It's well known trivia.
> Your definition of "well known" terrifies me.
> Then again, "well known" and "trivia" are practically antonyms, so...
At this point it shouldn't be any surprise that you wouldn't fare very
well in quiz shows... ;)
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On 13/09/2011 07:58 PM, Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8<voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>>> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
>>>
>>> It's well known trivia.
>
>> Your definition of "well known" terrifies me.
>
>> Then again, "well known" and "trivia" are practically antonyms, so...
>
> At this point it shouldn't be any surprise that you wouldn't fare very
> well in quiz shows... ;)
Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things. There's "trivia"
and then there's "on which day of the week was J. S. Bach born?"
--
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Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things.
A much better movie than most shitty things these days.
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nemesis escreveu:
> Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
>> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things.
>
> A much better movie than most shitty things these days.
next you'll tell me you never watched any Hitchcock or Chaplin.
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
> > Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things.
> A much better movie than most shitty things these days.
I'd bet there's a lot of nostalgia filtering in that sentiment... :P
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On 9/13/2011 11:23, nemesis wrote:
> People from this planet read and watch movies. Nosferatu is a well-known
> classic movie.
It's one of those "culture" things that Andrew doesn't think are important. :-)
--
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How come I never get only one kudo?
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:12:31 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 13/09/2011 07:58 PM, Warp wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8<voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>>>> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
>>>>
>>>> It's well known trivia.
>>
>>> Your definition of "well known" terrifies me.
>>
>>> Then again, "well known" and "trivia" are practically antonyms, so...
>>
>> At this point it shouldn't be any surprise that you wouldn't fare
>> very
>> well in quiz shows... ;)
>
> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things. There's "trivia"
> and then there's "on which day of the week was J. S. Bach born?"
Wednesday. :)
Jim
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Warp escreveu:
> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
>>> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things.
>
>> A much better movie than most shitty things these days.
>
> I'd bet there's a lot of nostalgia filtering in that sentiment... :P
how come? Not even my mother was born then! :p
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>> It ALWAYS make a _sound_.
>
> How do you know?
If Schroeder's cat dies and no one observes it, is it still dead?
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>> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things. There's "trivia"
>> and then there's "on which day of the week was J. S. Bach born?"
>
> Wednesday. :)
Well, there's a 14% chance you're right...
(Or you just looked it up. Which you can't do on quiz shows, BTW.)
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On 13/09/2011 09:58 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 9/13/2011 11:23, nemesis wrote:
>> People from this planet read and watch movies. Nosferatu is a well-known
>> classic movie.
>
> It's one of those "culture" things that Andrew doesn't think are
> important. :-)
The best thing about cultures is that there's so many! :-P
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>> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
>
> People from this planet read and watch movies. Nosferatu is a well-known
> classic movie.
I can't even *pronounce* that...
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On 13-9-2011 11:06, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 09/13/2011 05:40 AM, Invisible wrote:
>> On 13/09/2011 09:32 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
>>> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
>>> hide from the light!
>>
>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>
> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
> howling in the distance ;-)
howling vampires???
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:46:15 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things. There's "trivia"
>>> and then there's "on which day of the week was J. S. Bach born?"
>>
>> Wednesday. :)
>
> Well, there's a 14% chance you're right...
>
> (Or you just looked it up. Which you can't do on quiz shows, BTW.)
There's a third option - I know the formula (yes, there is one) to
determine the day of the week mentally - so not a guess, but a
calculation.
(Though in this case, I will cop to having looked it up).
Jim
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:47:06 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> I'm almost afraid to ask how you know that...
>>
>> People from this planet read and watch movies. Nosferatu is a
>> well-known classic movie.
>
> I can't even *pronounce* that...
"nos-fer-ah-too"
Jim
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Le 2011/09/14 04:44, Invisible a écrit :
>>> It ALWAYS make a _sound_.
>>
>> How do you know?
>
> If Schroeder's cat dies and no one observes it, is it still dead?
Shroeder's cat is always both dead and alive untill someone does observe
it. Then, the cat is ether alive or dead.
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Alain <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:
> Le 2011/09/14 04:44, Invisible a écrit :
> >>> It ALWAYS make a _sound_.
> >>
> >> How do you know?
> >
> > If Schroeder's cat dies and no one observes it, is it still dead?
> Shroeder's cat is always both dead and alive untill someone does observe
> it. Then, the cat is ether alive or dead.
That's the copenhagen interpretation. It's not the only possibility.
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>>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>>
>> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
>> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
>> howling in the distance ;-)
>
> howling vampires???
I believe he's confusing vampires with werewolves...
--
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On 14/09/2011 05:56 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:46:15 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>>>> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things. There's "trivia"
>>>> and then there's "on which day of the week was J. S. Bach born?"
>>>
>>> Wednesday. :)
>>
>> Well, there's a 14% chance you're right...
>>
>> (Or you just looked it up. Which you can't do on quiz shows, BTW.)
>
> There's a third option - I know the formula (yes, there is one) to
> determine the day of the week mentally - so not a guess, but a
> calculation.
That's no help; you'd still have to know the date.
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On 14/09/2011 9:49 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> That's no help; you'd still have to know the date.
O_o
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On 09/14/2011 01:33 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 13-9-2011 11:06, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> On 09/13/2011 05:40 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> On 13/09/2011 09:32 AM, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>>> OK ... noticing times on some of these posts! LOL what a bunch of
>>>> vampires (me included) ... yikes the sun is about to rise. Quick ...
>>>> hide from the light!
>>>
>>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>>
>> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
>> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
>> howling in the distance ;-)
>
> howling vampires???
>
No silly ... last time I checked vampires didn't howl, but use your
imagination and I'm sure you can think of something that fits nicely
with the genre that's being discussed ;-)
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On 09/14/2011 05:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>>>
>>> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
>>> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
>>> howling in the distance ;-)
>>
>> howling vampires???
>
> I believe he's confusing vampires with werewolves...
well no ... you guys are the vampires ... I see myself more the werewolf
type
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On 14-9-2011 23:52, Jim Holsenback wrote:
> On 09/14/2011 05:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>>>>
>>>> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
>>>> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
>>>> howling in the distance ;-)
>>>
>>> howling vampires???
>>
>> I believe he's confusing vampires with werewolves...
>
> well no ... you guys are the vampires ... I see myself more the werewolf
> type
>
to quote the first post: "what a bunch of vampires (me included)"
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On 09/14/2011 07:09 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 14-9-2011 23:52, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>> On 09/14/2011 05:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since 3:30am,
>>>>> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
>>>>> howling in the distance ;-)
>>>>
>>>> howling vampires???
>>>
>>> I believe he's confusing vampires with werewolves...
>>
>> well no ... you guys are the vampires ... I see myself more the werewolf
>> type
>>
>
> to quote the first post: "what a bunch of vampires (me included)"
hey the moon is certainly to blame here ... since I'm able to see my
reflection in the mirror, I'll go ahead and opt out on the vampire thing ;-)
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:49:02 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 14/09/2011 05:56 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:46:15 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>>>> Well, yeah, but I don't bother watching those things. There's
>>>>> "trivia" and then there's "on which day of the week was J. S. Bach
>>>>> born?"
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday. :)
>>>
>>> Well, there's a 14% chance you're right...
>>>
>>> (Or you just looked it up. Which you can't do on quiz shows, BTW.)
>>
>> There's a third option - I know the formula (yes, there is one) to
>> determine the day of the week mentally - so not a guess, but a
>> calculation.
>
> That's no help; you'd still have to know the date.
True, and you could have memorised that.
Jim
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Le 2011/09/14 18:53, Jim Holsenback a écrit :
> On 09/14/2011 07:09 PM, andrel wrote:
>> On 14-9-2011 23:52, Jim Holsenback wrote:
>>> On 09/14/2011 05:48 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>>>>> BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S OUT OF SIGHT THE SUN SHINES NIGHT AND DAY!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ah ... yes you're +3 from my location. Well I've been up since
>>>>>> 3:30am,
>>>>>> the moon is full, and I just couldn't resist the sound of my kin folk
>>>>>> howling in the distance ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> howling vampires???
>>>>
>>>> I believe he's confusing vampires with werewolves...
>>>
>>> well no ... you guys are the vampires ... I see myself more the werewolf
>>> type
>>>
>>
>> to quote the first post: "what a bunch of vampires (me included)"
>
> hey the moon is certainly to blame here ... since I'm able to see my
> reflection in the mirror, I'll go ahead and opt out on the vampire thing
> ;-)
Well... Not all vampires don't cast a reflection in a mirror, especialy
if the mirror is silver free.
Back then, when the novels were writen, mirrors had a silver and mercury
reflective coating. Sime mercury was placed on the glass, then a foil of
silver was spread over it. The whole was then compressed in a stack with
felt cushions for something like 7 years. (the origin of the 7 years bad
luck for breaking a mirror, also the price as a commoner would need to
save for about 7 years to be able to buy one) Over 60% of the mirrors
ended up broken and unusable after that.
In modern mirrors, the silver and mercury are mostly gone.
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Alain <aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:
> Back then, when the novels were writen, mirrors had a silver and mercury
> reflective coating. Sime mercury was placed on the glass, then a foil of
> silver was spread over it. The whole was then compressed in a stack with
> felt cushions for something like 7 years. (the origin of the 7 years bad
> luck for breaking a mirror, also the price as a commoner would need to
> save for about 7 years to be able to buy one) Over 60% of the mirrors
> ended up broken and unusable after that.
I'm not saying I doubt that, but I have seen so many urban legends that
this kind of thing immediately tingles my BS detector. I would love to see
some credible reference to this. :)
--
- Warp
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On 9/14/2011 11:46, Alain wrote:
> Shroeder's cat is always both dead and alive untill someone does observe it.
I think most people miss the point of this question, which is to ask whether
the *cat* observes itself.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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On 9/14/2011 11:49, Warp wrote:
> That's the copenhagen interpretation. It's not the only possibility.
Well, that's the *measurable* interpretation. :-) Speculating on why the
measurements are what they are is unscientific unless one comes up with a
way of testing the speculations.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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On 15/09/2011 09:12 PM, Warp wrote:
> Alain<aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:
>> Back then, when the novels were writen, mirrors had a silver and mercury
>> reflective coating. Sime mercury was placed on the glass, then a foil of
>> silver was spread over it. The whole was then compressed in a stack with
>> felt cushions for something like 7 years. (the origin of the 7 years bad
>> luck for breaking a mirror, also the price as a commoner would need to
>> save for about 7 years to be able to buy one) Over 60% of the mirrors
>> ended up broken and unusable after that.
>
> I'm not saying I doubt that, but I have seen so many urban legends that
> this kind of thing immediately tingles my BS detector. I would love to see
> some credible reference to this. :)
I can find plenty of references to the idea that your reflection is a
representation of your "soul", and breaking it is therefore bad luck.
And the Romans believed that every seven years the soul was renewed.
Or that mirrors used to be extremely expensive, so if you broke
somebody's mirror, you might have to work for them for seven years to
repay them for it.
But basically every Google result claims that the true origins are "vague".
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On 09/15/2011 05:12 PM, Warp wrote:
> Alain<aze### [at] qwertyorg> wrote:
>> Back then, when the novels were writen, mirrors had a silver and mercury
>> reflective coating. Sime mercury was placed on the glass, then a foil of
>> silver was spread over it. The whole was then compressed in a stack with
>> felt cushions for something like 7 years. (the origin of the 7 years bad
>> luck for breaking a mirror, also the price as a commoner would need to
>> save for about 7 years to be able to buy one) Over 60% of the mirrors
>> ended up broken and unusable after that.
>
> I'm not saying I doubt that, but I have seen so many urban legends that
> this kind of thing immediately tingles my BS detector. I would love to see
> some credible reference to this. :)
>
You guys are cracking me up here ... this thread started as a purely
tongue in cheek observation of nocturnal posting habits. I'm amazed at
the over analysis that's going on now. Have mercy ... some of you could
drain every ounce of fun out of a rousing game of trivial pursuit.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> On 9/14/2011 11:46, Alain wrote:
> > Shroeder's cat is always both dead and alive untill someone does observe it.
> I think most people miss the point of this question, which is to ask whether
> the *cat* observes itself.
Isn't the interpretation such that the state of the particle/molecule/cat
is relative, not absolute? From the cat's own point of view it's definitely
alive or dead, but from an outside frame of reference both states are
superposed until observation from that frame of reference in question.
I think that the question presented by the original thought experiment is
that, if quantum superposition is indeed the correct interpretation, whether
such superpositions apply to macroscopic objects.
--
- Warp
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Jim Holsenback <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
> You guys are cracking me up here ... this thread started as a purely
> tongue in cheek observation of nocturnal posting habits. I'm amazed at
> the over analysis that's going on now. Have mercy ... some of you could
> drain every ounce of fun out of a rousing game of trivial pursuit.
Nothing is funnier than overanalyzing things.
--
- Warp
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