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OK, so I just finished watching Inception.
Initial thoughts: MY BRAIN! >_<
Also: I don't think normal people understand recursion...
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On 24/08/2011 09:57 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> OK, so I just finished watching Inception.
Well, now I can say that I've seen it. I don't think I will ever bother
watching it again. It was certainly an interesting idea for a story. And
the visual effects were pretty stunning. However, the actual story they
made and the way they chose to tell it weren't all that great. Not
/bad/, just not great.
The comparison to The Matrix seems unavoidable. I was worried that The
Matrix would end up being a gratuitous festival of "I'm going to
scramble your brain!" But actually it wasn't like that at all. Certainly
I didn't understand the significance of little detail the first time I
watched it, but I certainly wasn't anywhere near "lost" at any point.
The computer-generated world is pretty fantastical, but both the real
world and the imaginary one clearly follow a well-defined set of rules,
which you gradually come to understand as you watch the film. The way
they manage to explain all this at the same time as telling a story, not
to mention the order in which details are revealed, is stunning.
Inception, on the other hand, is kind of the film that I was worried
that The Matrix would be. Right up to the point at the end where
everybody lives happily ever after but they carefully imply that this
may or may not actually be the real world.
There's no clear delineation of what's real and what isn't. (That's kind
of the whole point.) A lot of the intense action comes across as
hurried, like it would have made much more sense if it happened more
slowly. I didn't get "lost", but from time to time I has having trouble
keeping up. The pacing isn't great; rather than a roller-coaster ride of
ups and downs, it's *all* ever-increasing drama. It constantly seems to
be building up to the final cataclysm, which takes forever to actually
arrive.
And then there's the fact that, at the very centre, it's a overly
sentimental story about True Love and unending regret. Perhaps more than
anything else, the overly emotional touchy-feely stuff puts me off.
Watching the psycho wife from hell just isn't very nice.
Also, the sucky noise that machine makes disturbs me slightly...
On the other hand, I was really impressed with how in the end they get
the guy to convince *himself* to do what they want him to. True
inception. I thought that /was/ rather nicely done.
Anyway, I don't know about you guys, but *my* dreams were /nothing like/
the real world. More like a random jumble of essentially unrelated ideas
that make no logical sense at all. I don't see people pointing guns at
me; I see flying pandas and molten biscuits. Every time I look in a
different direction, my surroundings have completely changed. All sorts
of weird stuff happens. And, most baffling of all, all of this seems
PERFECTLY NORMAL to me at the time.
And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
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Am 25.08.2011 13:52, schrieb Invisible:
> Inception, on the other hand, is kind of the film that I was worried
> that The Matrix would be. Right up to the point at the end where
> everybody lives happily ever after but they carefully imply that this
> may or may not actually be the real world.
>
> There's no clear delineation of what's real and what isn't. (That's kind
> of the whole point.)
I think that's pretty fitting for the plot.
> And then there's the fact that, at the very centre, it's a overly
> sentimental story about True Love and unending regret. Perhaps more than
> anything else, the overly emotional touchy-feely stuff puts me off.
> Watching the psycho wife from hell just isn't very nice.
I found the father-son relationship climax much more touching. And liked
it the way it is.
> Anyway, I don't know about you guys, but *my* dreams were /nothing like/
> the real world. More like a random jumble of essentially unrelated ideas
> that make no logical sense at all. I don't see people pointing guns at
> me; I see flying pandas and molten biscuits. Every time I look in a
> different direction, my surroundings have completely changed. All sorts
> of weird stuff happens. And, most baffling of all, all of this seems
> PERFECTLY NORMAL to me at the time.
>
> And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
Heh, I've recently started to dream pretty consistent movie plots now
and then, with a surprising level of detail.
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>> And then there's the fact that, at the very centre, it's a overly
>> sentimental story about True Love and unending regret. Perhaps more than
>> anything else, the overly emotional touchy-feely stuff puts me off.
>> Watching the psycho wife from hell just isn't very nice.
>
> I found the father-son relationship climax much more touching. And liked
> it the way it is.
Agreed. That was arguably the neatest part of the movie.
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 8/25/2011 9:54 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 25.08.2011 13:52, schrieb Invisible:
>> Inception, on the other hand, is kind of the film that I was worried
>> that The Matrix would be. Right up to the point at the end where
>> everybody lives happily ever after but they carefully imply that this
>> may or may not actually be the real world.
>>
>> There's no clear delineation of what's real and what isn't. (That's kind
>> of the whole point.)
>
> I think that's pretty fitting for the plot.
>
>> And then there's the fact that, at the very centre, it's a overly
>> sentimental story about True Love and unending regret. Perhaps more than
>> anything else, the overly emotional touchy-feely stuff puts me off.
>> Watching the psycho wife from hell just isn't very nice.
>
> I found the father-son relationship climax much more touching. And liked
> it the way it is.
>
>> Anyway, I don't know about you guys, but *my* dreams were /nothing like/
>> the real world. More like a random jumble of essentially unrelated ideas
>> that make no logical sense at all. I don't see people pointing guns at
>> me; I see flying pandas and molten biscuits. Every time I look in a
>> different direction, my surroundings have completely changed. All sorts
>> of weird stuff happens. And, most baffling of all, all of this seems
>> PERFECTLY NORMAL to me at the time.
>>
>> And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
>
> Heh, I've recently started to dream pretty consistent movie plots now
> and then, with a surprising level of detail.
I depends on if you tend to be a lucid dreamer, or just the normal
"random" sort. The later however is generally not "aware" of being in a
dream on any clear level, so the inconsistency shows up due to having
literally zero control. For a lucid dreamer, its different, more
consistent and logical, closer to a movie (at least for me). Not to say
I don't get thrown through loops some times, and find something either
not going as I want, or repeatedly forcing some pattern in that I know I
don't want, and try to rewrite, without any success. But, that tends to
be fairly rare, since it mostly.. go with the flow, while nudging things
more or less in a particular direction. lol
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>>> And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
>>
>> Heh, I've recently started to dream pretty consistent movie plots now
>> and then, with a surprising level of detail.
> I depends on if you tend to be a lucid dreamer, or just the normal
> "random" sort.
On a scale of one to ten, "lucid dreaming" sounds like the most
terrifying thing imaginable...
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:03:37 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>>> And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
>>>
>>> Heh, I've recently started to dream pretty consistent movie plots now
>>> and then, with a surprising level of detail.
>> I depends on if you tend to be a lucid dreamer, or just the normal
>> "random" sort.
>
> On a scale of one to ten, "lucid dreaming" sounds like the most
> terrifying thing imaginable...
Personally, I find it quite enjoyable.
Jim
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>> On a scale of one to ten, "lucid dreaming" sounds like the most
>> terrifying thing imaginable...
>
> Personally, I find it quite enjoyable.
According to scientists, we dream every single night, but some of us
rarely remember our dreams. And personally, not remembering my dreams is
COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME! Every time I dream, I have the kind of highly
disturbing dreams that make me afraid to sleep for months afterwards...
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:26:21 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> On a scale of one to ten, "lucid dreaming" sounds like the most
>>> terrifying thing imaginable...
>>
>> Personally, I find it quite enjoyable.
>
> According to scientists, we dream every single night, but some of us
> rarely remember our dreams. And personally, not remembering my dreams is
> COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME! Every time I dream, I have the kind of highly
> disturbing dreams that make me afraid to sleep for months afterwards...
That would explain your reaction to the idea, certainly.
But I have a feeling that the ones you remember are the disturbing ones,
but the ones you don't remember aren't disturbing at all. I find that
the ones I remember are the ones that have fairly strong imagery, just
not always disturbing.
The flying dreams are the ones I have the most fun with - I have those
quite frequently.
Jim
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On 26/08/2011 6:26 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> According to scientists, we dream every single night, but some of us
> rarely remember our dreams. And personally, not remembering my dreams is
> COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME! Every time I dream, I have the kind of highly
> disturbing dreams that make me afraid to sleep for months afterwards...
I've taught myself to wake up when I have dreams that I don't like.
I'm not too sure how I do it but it is a deliberate decision.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 8/26/2011 10:22, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Personally, I find it quite enjoyable.
I remember once being able to wake myself up and then fall back to sleep
into the same dream, and I asked the butler what happened when I woke myself
up. he told me I fell asleep in the dream. YMMV.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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On 27/08/2011 12:29 AM, Darren New wrote:
> On 8/26/2011 10:22, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Personally, I find it quite enjoyable.
>
> I remember once being able to wake myself up and then fall back to sleep
> into the same dream, and I asked the butler what happened when I woke
> myself up. he told me I fell asleep in the dream. YMMV.
>
What SF story does that remind me of?
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 8/26/2011 10:26 AM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> On a scale of one to ten, "lucid dreaming" sounds like the most
>>> terrifying thing imaginable...
>>
>> Personally, I find it quite enjoyable.
>
> According to scientists, we dream every single night, but some of us
> rarely remember our dreams. And personally, not remembering my dreams is
> COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME! Every time I dream, I have the kind of highly
> disturbing dreams that make me afraid to sleep for months afterwards...
>
Actually, in point of fact, **everyone** have about 90% of their dream
being negative, every night. The thing is, we only remember the ones
where we make a rapid transition from a dream state, to a nearly
conscious one. And since that only usually happens at the beginning, or
end, of the night's sleep, we just don't remember the rest of them at all.
Other interesting points - We suffer from moments of arousal several
times a night too, and most people don't bounce around in bed at night
due to sleep paralysis, a condition that keeps the body from responding
to what you are doing in those dreams. So.. If you ever wanted to know
what the concept of "succubi" came from, imagine being some celibate
twit, waking from a nightmare, which suffering sleep paralysis, and
having an erection. lol
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> According to scientists, we dream every single night, but some of us
> rarely remember our dreams. And personally, not remembering my dreams is
> COMPLETELY FINE WITH ME! Every time I dream, I have the kind of highly
> disturbing dreams that make me afraid to sleep for months afterwards...
I think you are having an unintentional choice bias here.
In general, during sleep dreams come in cycles. You have a dream, then
nothing, then you have another dream, and so on. If you wake up between
dreams you don't remember any. Only if you wake up during a dream, you
remember that one dream.
The likelihood to wake up during a nightmare is much higher than with
normal dreams, for obvious reasons. If you tend to have nightmares, then
it's likely that you will wake up during one. If this happens often, you
get the impression that you have nothing else than nightmares. However,
it's just that you don't remember the normal dreams because you didn't
wake up during them.
--
- Warp
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As usual, Randal is way ahead of me...
http://www.xkcd.com/776/
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 27/08/2011 04:54 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> As usual, Randal is way ahead of me...
Way, *way* ahead of me...
http://xkcd.com/269/
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 08/27/2011 08:00 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 27/08/2011 04:54 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> As usual, Randal is way ahead of me...
>
> Way, *way* ahead of me...
>
> http://xkcd.com/269/
>
"A big obstacle in experimenting with the mind's dream-simulation-engine
is holding onto the details as you wake up..."
This obstacle seems to be not that big,
if you can stop any body movements as you wake up
and just try to focus on tracing the dream details backwards
from the last you remember.
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Am 26.08.2011 22:07, schrieb Stephen:
> I've taught myself to wake up when I have dreams that I don't like.
> I'm not too sure how I do it but it is a deliberate decision.
I prefer to modify my dreams if I don't like them :-)
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Am 26.08.2011 10:03, schrieb Invisible:
>>>> And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
>>>
>>> Heh, I've recently started to dream pretty consistent movie plots now
>>> and then, with a surprising level of detail.
>> I depends on if you tend to be a lucid dreamer, or just the normal
>> "random" sort.
>
> On a scale of one to ten, "lucid dreaming" sounds like the most
> terrifying thing imaginable...
Imagine this: You're sitting in a kind of temple or church, made of all
black marble with plenty of golden decoration; you're touched by the
beauty of it, and are free to focus on details as you like. And all the
while you're like, "Gee, I want to remember this so that I can model it
in POV-Ray!"
Nothing terrifying in that - to the contrary :-)
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Am 27.08.2011 01:29, schrieb Darren New:
> On 8/26/2011 10:22, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Personally, I find it quite enjoyable.
>
> I remember once being able to wake myself up and then fall back to sleep
> into the same dream, and I asked the butler what happened when I woke
> myself up. he told me I fell asleep in the dream. YMMV.
That's pretty cool :-)
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On 28/08/2011 1:16 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 26.08.2011 22:07, schrieb Stephen:
>> I've taught myself to wake up when I have dreams that I don't like.
>> I'm not too sure how I do it but it is a deliberate decision.
>
> I prefer to modify my dreams if I don't like them :-)
Me too but sometimes the dark thread keeps returning so ENOUGH!
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 8/26/2011 16:29, Darren New wrote:
> I remember once
I also remember, not infrequently, reading something out of a book in a
dream. While I'm reading, it all makes sense, but if I look at the words one
at a time, I get nothing but a sequence of stop words. "The and that but or
then that..."
A very weird experience.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
How come I never get only one kudo?
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Le 2011/08/28 13:36, Darren New a écrit :
> On 8/26/2011 16:29, Darren New wrote:
>> I remember once
>
> I also remember, not infrequently, reading something out of a book in a
> dream. While I'm reading, it all makes sense, but if I look at the words
> one at a time, I get nothing but a sequence of stop words. "The and that
> but or then that..."
>
> A very weird experience.
>
Ever had a dream of reading a text in an unknown, but recognised, language?
I remember a dream where I was reading a some complexe intructions
writen in German while I never learned German.
Alain
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On 28-8-2011 19:36, Darren New wrote:
> On 8/26/2011 16:29, Darren New wrote:
>> I remember once
>
> I also remember, not infrequently, reading something out of a book in a
> dream. While I'm reading, it all makes sense, but if I look at the words
> one at a time, I get nothing but a sequence of stop words. "The and that
> but or then that..."
>
> A very weird experience.
My weirdest experience (i might have told before) is when I had a dream
were somebody unexpected was present. It turned out some time later
(say, an hour real time, much less dreamtime) that it was to make a lame
pun as a punchline (after which I woke up).
Which made me want to complain to the writer of my dreams. If only I
knew who that was.
--
Apparently you can afford your own dictator for less than 10 cents per
citizen per day.
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>> I prefer to modify my dreams if I don't like them :-)
>
> Me too but sometimes the dark thread keeps returning so ENOUGH!
The Dark Lord's connection to your mind is strengthening...
...uh, nothing.
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 8/25/2011 6:52 AM, Invisible wrote:
>
> Anyway, I don't know about you guys, but *my* dreams were /nothing like/
> the real world. More like a random jumble of essentially unrelated ideas
> that make no logical sense at all. I don't see people pointing guns at
> me; I see flying pandas and molten biscuits. Every time I look in a
> different direction, my surroundings have completely changed. All sorts
> of weird stuff happens. And, most baffling of all, all of this seems
> PERFECTLY NORMAL to me at the time.
>
> And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
My dreams often resemble the real world, but sometimes go off on bizarre
tangents. I generally don't dream about flying pandas throwing molten
biscuits (what we call cookies) at innocent bystanders. Though, One of
my more memorable dreams involved some sort of museum that was
absolutely huge, and had hidden underground passage ways, one of which
lead to a shopping mall. But, no flying pandas.
--
~Mike
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On 8/26/2011 3:03 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> And then I wake up and think "Flying pandas? What the HELL...?!"
>>>
>>> Heh, I've recently started to dream pretty consistent movie plots now
>>> and then, with a surprising level of detail.
>> I depends on if you tend to be a lucid dreamer, or just the normal
>> "random" sort.
>
> On a scale of one to ten, "lucid dreaming" sounds like the most
> terrifying thing imaginable...
What? Being able to control your world and do anything you want? Oh
hells no.
--
~Mike
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On 8/26/2011 6:32 PM, Stephen wrote:
> What SF story does that remind me of?
>
Um... Avatar?
--
~Mike
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