On 07/07/2011 03:16 PM, Mike the Elder wrote:

> I, too, am often annoyed with the inappropriate over-usage of the term
> "Classic".  "Classic Coke" was the one that really got to me.

In computing, "classic" is occasionally used to mean the same thing as 
"legacy". (AKA "the old crap we still have to support".)

For example, "in classic RISC designs, it worked like <X>, but in our 
new, modern design, it works like <Y>".

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On 07/07/2011 07:49 PM, nemesis wrote:

> Classical refers to a particular time period.  Classic means it's worthy enough
> to be talked about in studying classes.
>
> I don't think there'll ever be classic rap... :p

This.

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On 7/7/2011 9:46, Warp wrote:
>    It depends on the lifespan of the genre.

That's actually a pretty good analysis.


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On 7/7/2011 10:43, Warp wrote:
> Jim Holsenback<nom### [at] nomailcom>  wrote:
>> Now here's some cira 1965 rap for ya ;-)
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ujAXxNxU0
>
>    I like this one more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nej4xJe4Tdg

I don't think either of those are rap. They have music.

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On 07/07/2011 05:00 PM, Darren New wrote:
> On 7/7/2011 10:43, Warp wrote:
>> Jim Holsenback<nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
>>> Now here's some cira 1965 rap for ya ;-)
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ujAXxNxU0
>>
>> I like this one more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nej4xJe4Tdg
>
> I don't think either of those are rap. They have music.
>
rap and music aren't mutually exclusive terms (although some would 
debate that)

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> I don't think either of those are rap. They have music.

  Lots of rap has music. Ever heard eg. Eminem? (Try "Stan" and "Lose
Yourself" for starters.)

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On 7/7/2011 14:25, Warp wrote:
>    Lots of rap has music. Ever heard eg. Eminem? (Try "Stan"

There's music in the background. He's not singing.

Indeed, I'm pretty sure that the simplistic difference between "rap" and 
"hip hop" is whether the artist sings the words.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> On 7/7/2011 14:25, Warp wrote:
> >    Lots of rap has music. Ever heard eg. Eminem? (Try "Stan"

> There's music in the background. He's not singing.

  So your definition of "music" is that it must include singing?

  That's an odd definition.

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On 7/8/2011 0:11, Warp wrote:
> Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom>  wrote:
>> On 7/7/2011 14:25, Warp wrote:
>>>     Lots of rap has music. Ever heard eg. Eminem? (Try "Stan"
>
>> There's music in the background. He's not singing.
>
>    So your definition of "music" is that it must include singing?

No. My definition of rap is that the vocals are spoken instead of sung.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> On 7/8/2011 0:11, Warp wrote:
> > Darren New<dne### [at] sanrrcom>  wrote:
> >> On 7/7/2011 14:25, Warp wrote:
> >>>     Lots of rap has music. Ever heard eg. Eminem? (Try "Stan"
> >
> >> There's music in the background. He's not singing.
> >
> >    So your definition of "music" is that it must include singing?

> No. My definition of rap is that the vocals are spoken instead of sung.

  The original claim was that they are not rap because they have music.

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