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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 2 May 2011 15:28:46
Message: <4dbf05ee$1@news.povray.org>
So for those who have been following the Novell saga, Attachmate closed 
the deal last Wednesday.

And layoffs were today.  I was one of the 'casualties'.

I'm working through the end of the week, and already do have some leads 
on positions that might be a good fit (in fact, it's possible the UK move 
*could* be back on again, we'll see).

But it's sad to see so many good people leaving (I've heard a figure, but 
don't think it's public so I'll not share just yet).  Gonna miss the 
people, that's for sure.

If anyone knows of a position that might be a good fit (I'm on LinkedIn 
if you want to see my CV, feel free to send me a request to connect), it 
can't hurt to see what opportunities are out there.

Thanks,

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 2 May 2011 16:00:45
Message: <4dbf0d6d$1@news.povray.org>
On 02/05/2011 8:28 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> So for those who have been following the Novell saga, Attachmate closed
> the deal last Wednesday.
>
> And layoffs were today.  I was one of the 'casualties'.

My congratulations! When I was laid off 20 years ago it turned out to be 
the best thing that could have happened to me.

I should/maybe be in NM late June, could see you then.

BTW Are you
Jim Henderson

Course Development Functional Lead at Novell?

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 2 May 2011 16:24:53
Message: <4dbf1315$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 02 May 2011 21:00:44 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 02/05/2011 8:28 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> So for those who have been following the Novell saga, Attachmate closed
>> the deal last Wednesday.
>>
>> And layoffs were today.  I was one of the 'casualties'.
> 
> My congratulations! When I was laid off 20 years ago it turned out to be
> the best thing that could have happened to me.

Yep, if I can find something quickly, that definitely means that this 
will be a positive move.  I'm facing it with optimism, and the optimism 
is warranted - I've got probably half a dozen leads already through my 
professional network.  Whether they'll pan out or not remains to be seen.

But 5 months' severance (more or less) will make this much easier than 
the last time I left a job without anywhere to go.  And my experiences at 
Novell have put me in a good position to find something else - ready to 
start in management and with good technical background, I think my skills 
are a good fit for a lot of different types of organizations.

> I should/maybe be in NM late June, could see you then.

Sounds good, we'll have to play it by ear as it's possible (though I 
think unlikely because of the work we need to do on the house still) that 
I may have relocated by then.

> BTW Are you
> Jim Henderson
> 
> Course Development Functional Lead at Novell?

That would be me. :)

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 2 May 2011 16:33:34
Message: <4dbf151e@news.povray.org>
On 02/05/2011 9:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> BTW Are you
>> >  Jim Henderson
>> >
>> >  Course Development Functional Lead at Novell?
> That would be me.:)

It's now past my bedtime as I'm travelling tomorrow.
I'll reply as soon as I can.
Keep your pecker up. ;-)

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 2 May 2011 16:45:09
Message: <4dbf17d5$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 02 May 2011 21:33:32 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 02/05/2011 9:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> BTW Are you
>>> >  Jim Henderson
>>> >
>>> >  Course Development Functional Lead at Novell?
>> That would be me.:)
> 
> It's now past my bedtime as I'm travelling tomorrow. I'll reply as soon
> as I can.

Sounds good.  Have safe travels, my friend - the world got a little safer 
yesterday and a lot more dangerous, I expect.

> Keep your pecker up. ;-)

O_o

Well, OK.... ;)

Jim


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 3 May 2011 10:50:36
Message: <4dc0163c$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/2/2011 2:28 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> So for those who have been following the Novell saga, Attachmate closed
> the deal last Wednesday.
>
> And layoffs were today.  I was one of the 'casualties'.
>
> I'm working through the end of the week, and already do have some leads
> on positions that might be a good fit (in fact, it's possible the UK move
> *could* be back on again, we'll see).
>
> But it's sad to see so many good people leaving (I've heard a figure, but
> don't think it's public so I'll not share just yet).  Gonna miss the
> people, that's for sure.
>
> If anyone knows of a position that might be a good fit (I'm on LinkedIn
> if you want to see my CV, feel free to send me a request to connect), it
> can't hurt to see what opportunities are out there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim


Awwwwww.. That sucks. AT least you have a few good leads to start. Good 
Luck!


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~Mike


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 3 May 2011 16:06:22
Message: <4dc0603e$1@news.povray.org>
oh, good luck there, Jim!

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 4 May 2011 00:13:13
Message: <4dc0d259$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 May 2011 09:50:36 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> Awwwwww.. That sucks. AT least you have a few good leads to start. Good
> Luck!

Thanks, Mike!  I'm feeling pretty positive, but I have a couple of days 
left; most people who were laid off left yesterday, but I was afforded 
the opportunity to hand things off to those who remain, something that I 
consider very important for my own sense of 'doing the right thing'.

Tough day today and tomorrow is more of the same.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 4 May 2011 00:13:20
Message: <4dc0d260$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 May 2011 17:06:22 -0300, nemesis wrote:

> oh, good luck there, Jim!

Thanks!

Jim


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 4 May 2011 01:10:09
Message: <web.4dc0deeaae904e57b68ddeb0@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 May 2011 21:33:32 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> > Keep your pecker up. ;-)
>
> O_o
>
> Well, OK.... ;)

ahahaha

he said "laid off", not "laid down"... :p


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 5 May 2011 23:13:20
Message: <4dc36750$1@news.povray.org>
Last day today - actually feeling pretty good.  I've got a discussion 
that'll happen tomorrow, and interview on Monday, and a couple other very 
promising leads.  The question will really be if we can live where we 
want to with any of these positions.

The discussion tomorrow will be interesting, because it's not that I've 
applied for a position, but I had an 'aha' moment about 2 AM this morning 
and e-mailed someone I know at the company asking "who do I need to talk 
to about 'a', 'b', 'c', and 'd', because I think they could be really 
valuable to your organization and I know how to make them happen", and I 
got a response saying that they've got 3 high-level people who are *very* 
interested in these ideas.  So I'm going to need to organise my thoughts 
fairly quickly (high-level) to pitch the ideas, and then get into the 
details probably next week.

Pretty psyched about this one.  I'm thinking that getting laid off may 
well be the best possible thing to have happened now.

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 6 May 2011 08:34:20
Message: <4dc3eacc@news.povray.org>
On 06/05/2011 4:13 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Last day today - actually feeling pretty good.  I've got a discussion
> that'll happen tomorrow, and interview on Monday, and a couple other very
> promising leads.

Good luck with these.

> The question will really be if we can live where we
> want to with any of these positions.
>

At least you will have options.

> The discussion tomorrow will be interesting, because it's not that I've
> applied for a position, but I had an 'aha' moment about 2 AM this morning
> and e-mailed someone I know at the company asking "who do I need to talk
> to about 'a', 'b', 'c', and 'd', because I think they could be really
> valuable to your organization and I know how to make them happen", and I
> got a response saying that they've got 3 high-level people who are *very*
> interested in these ideas.  So I'm going to need to organise my thoughts
> fairly quickly (high-level) to pitch the ideas, and then get into the
> details probably next week.
>

Well done! And again good luck.

> Pretty psyched about this one.

You can do it. :-D

> I'm thinking that getting laid off may
> well be the best possible thing to have happened now.
>

If you have a positive outlook it can very well be. Sometimes we get 
stuck in a rut and need a push to go forward.
I'm sure that you will do well and I hope that you get to live where you 
want. What about the rest of your family hoe are they taking it?


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 6 May 2011 08:37:05
Message: <4dc3eb71$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/05/2011 1:34 PM, Stephen wrote:
> hoe are they taking it?

Or "how  are they taking it?", even. LOL

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     Stephen


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 6 May 2011 10:34:42
Message: <op.vu2dgaqnufxv4h@go-dynamite>
On Fri, 06 May 2011 14:37:03 +0200, Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:

> On 06/05/2011 1:34 PM, Stephen wrote:
>> hoe are they taking it?
>
> Or "how  are they taking it?", even. LOL
>

"hoe" means "how" in my language - pronounced the same as "who"
:)

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 6 May 2011 11:34:46
Message: <4dc41516@news.povray.org>
On 06/05/2011 3:34 PM, Nekar Xenos wrote:
> On Fri, 06 May 2011 14:37:03 +0200, Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2011 1:34 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>> hoe are they taking it?
>>
>> Or "how are they taking it?", even. LOL
>>
>
> "hoe" means "how" in my language - pronounced the same as "who"
> :)
>

What an intellectual I am. ;-)

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     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Just found out I'm being laid off
Date: 6 May 2011 17:55:51
Message: <4dc46e67@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 06 May 2011 13:34:17 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 06/05/2011 4:13 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Last day today - actually feeling pretty good.  I've got a discussion
>> that'll happen tomorrow, and interview on Monday, and a couple other
>> very promising leads.
> 
> Good luck with these.

Thanks!

>> The question will really be if we can live where we want to with any of
>> these positions.
>>
>>
> At least you will have options.

Options are good.  Unless something that is "an offer I can't refuse" 
comes up in the short term, I'm probably going to take my time and pick 
something that's a good fit.  We can make it for about 6 months on the 
severance package if we mind our expenses well, but I'd go nuts if it 
took that long.  But having the time to explore the opportunities 
thoroughly means I can really find something that's right for us, in 
terms of position, responsibility, and location.

>> The discussion tomorrow will be interesting, because it's not that I've
>> applied for a position, but I had an 'aha' moment about 2 AM this
>> morning and e-mailed someone I know at the company asking "who do I
>> need to talk to about 'a', 'b', 'c', and 'd', because I think they
>> could be really valuable to your organization and I know how to make
>> them happen", and I got a response saying that they've got 3 high-level
>> people who are *very* interested in these ideas.  So I'm going to need
>> to organise my thoughts fairly quickly (high-level) to pitch the ideas,
>> and then get into the details probably next week.
>>
>>
> Well done! And again good luck.

Slight change in plans, which actually is going to work out better - the 
first discussion will take place next week.  That means I have a little 
breathing room to actually organize my thoughts rather than just talk to 
what I dreamed up at 2 AM Thursday morning.  I'll be able to focus the 
ideas better and ensure that I'm talking 'big picture' rather than 
details (for a couple of reasons), given my audience.  I'm also going to 
have to see if I can find out who exactly the audience is - I have a few 
guesses as to names at the company, but knowing for sure would be better.

>> Pretty psyched about this one.
> 
> You can do it. :-D

The funny thing is this - I know I *can* do it.  I have a very unique 
background and skill set that has just brought all these ideas together, 
and to me, the high level design looks pretty simple, but that's because 
of my knowledge and experience.

>> I'm thinking that getting laid off may well be the best possible thing
>> to have happened now.
>>
>>
> If you have a positive outlook it can very well be. Sometimes we get
> stuck in a rut and need a push to go forward. I'm sure that you will do
> well and I hope that you get to live where you want. What about the rest
> of your family hoe are they taking it?

Everyone's concerned, of course, largely because I really loved working 
on the team I worked on - having the respect of your teammates and 
coworkers is something that cannot be taken for granted.  There was an 
initial "Oh no" reaction (well, more than that), but things are coming 
back to a normal sense of things here and we're seeing it as an 
opportunity to really do the right thing, take the time, and see what we 
can find that lets us do what we want to, not just in terms of my work, 
but in terms of really "writing the next chapter" for us.

Since Ken's done with university classes this summer (he went through the 
graduation ceremony this morning, but he has 8 credits left before he 
gets the degree), the timing was *almost* perfect for us.

Jim


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