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Have you noticed how this phrase is almost always the prelude to several
hours of exasperation? ;-)
OK, so check it out. For my dance competition next week, I want to wear
a black short-sleeved shirt. But apparently I don't possess one. I have
several nice black shirts, but they are all either patterned or
long-sleeved. A long-sleeved black shirt is OK as a fallback, but really
it'll be far, far too hot to dance in.
It's not a problem though. I just need to buy a suitable shirt. How hard
can it be?
Hah. Haha. Hahahahaha!
I started with one website. "Shop by brand" is going to be little or no
help; I don't give a fig who makes it, I just want a black shirt. So I
selected "shirts" and I selected "formal" and then I selected "black".
Of the 25 shirts shown, only three of them were actually, you know, *black*.
You would have thought showing only black shirts would be quite simple.
How hard can it possibly be? But... well, there was a shirt that had
bright orange and lime green stripes on a black background. There was a
shirt which was vivid yellow with faint black lines. There was a shirt
that was three shades of grey and white (but no pure black). In short,
the website seems to be showing me "shirts that have black or something
vaguely approaching black in their design", rather than "shirts which
are ACTUALLY BLACK". :-O
So the three black shirts. Two of them are long-sleeved. But the
short-sleeved one looks quite good. In fact, it looks like it might be
quite appropriate. OK, this shop is quite expensive. Most of the shirts
are sort of £30 each or something, which *is* quite steep, but I only
need one. So I-- WAH!! O_O I just noticed that the particular shirt that
I'm looking at is £130.
Yes, you read that correctly. Over a hundred pounds for *one shirt*. WTF?
Oh, I see. I says Armani on it. >facepalm<
[In case you're in the USA, that's apparently just over $200.]
Anyway, so there's one screwy website. So what? Well... every clothing
website I've looked at, I've found the same problems:
- Asking for "black shirts" shows you every shirt in the entire
catalogue that has a single stitch of black or grey in it.
- The cardinality of the set of /actually black/ shirts is very low.
- The cardinality of the set of "formal" shirts with short sleeves is
also quite low.
- The intersection of these two sets is nearly empty.
Almost all the short-sleeved shirts are big baggy casual things for
lounging around the house in. Almost all the formal shirts, especially
the /black/ formal shirts, are designed like something you'd wear to a
funeral. Thick, heavy fabric and fancy but inflexible tailoring.
My mother had a look around the physical shops in her lunch break and
couldn't find anything either.
My dad jokingly suggested I should try Amazon. (?!) Bizarrely, they have
the best range I've seen so far, by a mile...
They're coming to take me away, hehe, haha, hoho! :-D
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> Have you noticed how this phrase is almost always the prelude to several
> hours of exasperation? ;-)
>
> OK, so check it out. For my dance competition next week, I want to wear
> a black short-sleeved shirt. But apparently I don't possess one. I have
> several nice black shirts, but they are all either patterned or
> long-sleeved. A long-sleeved black shirt is OK as a fallback, but really
> it'll be far, far too hot to dance in.
>
> It's not a problem though. I just need to buy a suitable shirt. How hard
> can it be?
....
> - The cardinality of the set of /actually black/ shirts is very low.
>
> - The cardinality of the set of "formal" shirts with short sleeves is
> also quite low.
You could just buy a grey or white cotton shirt and then color it black
yourself. It's quite easy.
--
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com
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On 21/04/2011 09:29 PM, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> You could just buy a grey or white cotton shirt and then color it black
> yourself. It's quite easy.
I did think about that. But I'm guessing black is probably *the* hardest
colour to dye something. Chances are I'll end up with dark grey rather
than black...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:16:31 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 21/04/2011 09:29 PM, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>
>> You could just buy a grey or white cotton shirt and then color it black
>> yourself. It's quite easy.
>
> I did think about that. But I'm guessing black is probably *the* hardest
> colour to dye something. Chances are I'll end up with dark grey rather
> than black...
I'm sure a Google search could find you some information about how to do
it....
Jim
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Why not a long sleeved one and a sewing machine?
--
Apparently you can afford your own dictator for less than 10 cents per
citizen per day.
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On 21/04/2011 2:53 PM, Invisible wrote:
> They're coming to take me away, hehe, haha, hoho! :-D
To the happy farm ;-)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=buy+black+shirt&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1301&bih=641&tbm=shop&prmd=ivns
--
Regards
Stephen
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>> I did think about that. But I'm guessing black is probably *the* hardest
>> colour to dye something. Chances are I'll end up with dark grey rather
>> than black...
>
> I'm sure a Google search could find you some information about how to do
> it....
It's not complicated; you buy some bye and you apply it. But I doubt
anything you can buy in the shops matches the industrial-grade dyes they
use when making black fabric professionally.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 22/04/2011 10:05 AM, andrel wrote:
> Why not a long sleeved one and a sewing machine?
This is my backup plan, yes. ;-)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 22/04/2011 10:50 AM, Stephen wrote:
> To the happy farm ;-)
>
>
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=buy+black+shirt&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1301&bih=641&tbm=shop&prmd=ivns
You had to include the "safe=off", didn't you? :-P
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 23/04/2011 9:43 AM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> On 22/04/2011 10:50 AM, Stephen wrote:
>
>> To the happy farm ;-)
>>
>>
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=buy+black+shirt&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1301&bih=641&tbm=shop&prmd=ivns
>>
>
> You had to include the "safe=off", didn't you? :-P
>
;-)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:42:14 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> I did think about that. But I'm guessing black is probably *the*
>>> hardest colour to dye something. Chances are I'll end up with dark
>>> grey rather than black...
>>
>> I'm sure a Google search could find you some information about how to
>> do it....
>
> It's not complicated; you buy some bye and you apply it. But I doubt
> anything you can buy in the shops matches the industrial-grade dyes they
> use when making black fabric professionally.
I'll bet a Google search would clear up your doubts.
Jim
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Le 2011/04/23 04:43, Orchid XP v8 a écrit :
> On 22/04/2011 10:50 AM, Stephen wrote:
>
>> To the happy farm ;-)
>>
>>
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=buy+black+shirt&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1301&bih=641&tbm=shop&prmd=ivns
>>
>
> You had to include the "safe=off", didn't you? :-P
>
The secont of the first row is nice, but probably to osé to wear outside
of your house. I mean, bed room...
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>> You had to include the "safe=off", didn't you? :-P
>>
> The secont of the first row is nice, but probably to osé to wear outside
> of your house. I mean, bed room...
The Elvis shirt is what I probably *should* wear. ;-)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 21/04/2011 14:53, Invisible wrote:
> OK, so check it out. For my dance competition next week, I want to wear
> a black short-sleeved shirt.
In fact, it turns out that what you wear apparently makes *no difference*.
A couple of my classmates were entered for an event, but due to an
injury they weren't going to do it. Five minutes before the event, they
changed their minds, and just walked on wearing whatever random clothes
they happened to have on. Didn't even have dance shoes. This apparently
made no difference to their scoring.
Worth it...
(Makes you wonder why so many parents apparently spend £300 or more on a
fancy costume for their kids. Or WTF the *adults* typically spend on
theirs!)
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On Tue, 03 May 2011 09:47:27 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> This apparently made no
> difference to their scoring.
It strikes me that it would be nearly impossible to assert this without
having them perform twice, once with the 'random clothes' and once with
their 'dance clothes'.
Jim
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Le 2011/05/07 22:59, Jim Henderson a écrit :
> On Tue, 03 May 2011 09:47:27 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>
>> This apparently made no
>> difference to their scoring.
>
> It strikes me that it would be nearly impossible to assert this without
> having them perform twice, once with the 'random clothes' and once with
> their 'dance clothes'.
>
> Jim
But then, you can't keep the same juges. Ther first impression will
affect the second notes.
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On Mon, 09 May 2011 14:07:32 -0400, Alain wrote:
> Le 2011/05/07 22:59, Jim Henderson a écrit :
>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 09:47:27 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> This apparently made no
>>> difference to their scoring.
>>
>> It strikes me that it would be nearly impossible to assert this without
>> having them perform twice, once with the 'random clothes' and once with
>> their 'dance clothes'.
>>
>> Jim
>
> But then, you can't keep the same juges. Ther first impression will
> affect the second notes.
True, unless they have no way of knowing who the performers are. Maybe
the performers need to wear masks.
Jim
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