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From: Darren New
Subject: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 27 Feb 2011 21:25:53
Message: <4d6b07b1$1@news.povray.org>
That's pretty cool.

http://foredecker.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/working-at-microsoft-day-to-day-coding/

Not unexpected, except for the bit that all the developers have all of the 
Windows source code available. I'm rather surprised it hasn't leaked 
already, if it has been the case for that long.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
  "How did he die?"   "He got shot in the hand."
     "That was fatal?"
          "He was holding a live grenade at the time."


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 04:07:44
Message: <4d6b65e0$1@news.povray.org>
> Not unexpected, except for the bit that all the developers have all of
> the Windows source code available. I'm rather surprised it hasn't leaked
> already, if it has been the case for that long.

Maybe they modify some random part of the code for each person who 
checks it out - so if it ever got leaked they know who stole it :-)

But seriously, this is totally the opposite of the company I work for, 
where it seems to be to hide everything from everyone unless they have a 
real good reason for wanting to see it and a few random managers agree 
that you can see it.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 05:09:55
Message: <4d6b7473$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/02/2011 09:07 AM, scott wrote:
>> Not unexpected, except for the bit that all the developers have all of
>> the Windows source code available. I'm rather surprised it hasn't leaked
>> already, if it has been the case for that long.
>
> Maybe they modify some random part of the code for each person who
> checks it out - so if it ever got leaked they know who stole it :-)

I was thinking maybe they inserted a faulty gene for the synthesis of 
lysine, so if the code ever escaped into the wild it would slip into a 
coma and die...

> But seriously, this is totally the opposite of the company I work for,
> where it seems to be to hide everything from everyone unless they have a
> real good reason for wanting to see it and a few random managers agree
> that you can see it.

Don't you just love the way this stuff is totally secret, but to access 
it you just need the approval of a bunch of people arbitrarily chosen at 
random?

It's like the story Feynmen told of an army general who's stuff was so 
secret that he had to get a specialist safe craned in... but he didn't 
bother to change the default combination. (??!)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 05:49:59
Message: <4d6b7dd7$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/02/2011 02:25 AM, Darren New wrote:
> That's pretty cool.

The idea of a computer having 8GB of RAM is strange and foreign to me. 
Much less a mere desktop PC. It's also news to me that it's even 
*possible* to have more than two monitors. (I'm still trying to figure 
out why you'd want two in the first place...)

[Also, I hadn't looked at this recently, but apparently SSDs are now 
available in capacities that might actually be useful. I.e., more than a 
piffling 8GB. Still bloody expensive though.]

I still find it scary that people have written C programs that take 
longer than 0.003 seconds to compile. How huge would they have to be?

Also links to some interesting stuff about source control. I'm presuming 
it's talking about the traditional, centralised kind, rather than the 
new-fangled "distributed version control", where every repository is a 
branch.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 06:35:58
Message: <4d6b889e$1@news.povray.org>
On 2/28/2011 4:09 AM, Invisible wrote:

> I was thinking maybe they inserted a faulty gene for the synthesis of
> lysine, so if the code ever escaped into the wild it would slip into a
> coma and die...

Oh, crap. Wrong codon. That one actually causes the velociraptor to lose 
its feathers!


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 06:40:43
Message: <4d6b89bb$1@news.povray.org>
On 2/28/2011 4:49 AM, Invisible wrote:

>
> I still find it scary that people have written C programs that take
> longer than 0.003 seconds to compile. How huge would they have to be?
>

Oh, please.... The soft synth program I've been playing around with 
takes about 10-15min to compile. Our flagship CAD and engineering app 
where I work takes a good 30-45min to do a full build.

> Also links to some interesting stuff about source control. I'm presuming
> it's talking about the traditional, centralised kind, rather than the
> new-fangled "distributed version control", where every repository is a
> branch.

The RCS he talks about is remarkably similar to how Accurev (the RCS we 
use) works. The only thing I think we're missing is the ability to run 
automated tasks when an item is checked in.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 06:40:56
Message: <4d6b89c8$1@news.povray.org>
On 28/02/2011 11:35 AM, Mike Raiford wrote:
> On 2/28/2011 4:09 AM, Invisible wrote:
>
>> I was thinking maybe they inserted a faulty gene for the synthesis of
>> lysine, so if the code ever escaped into the wild it would slip into a
>> coma and die...
>
> Oh, crap. Wrong codon. That one actually causes the velociraptor to lose
> its feathers!

And be 8 feet tall instead of 3 feet?

And for that matter, apparently reptiles (and indeed, most vertebrates) 
don't synthesize lysine *anyway*...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 06:42:21
Message: <4d6b8a1d@news.povray.org>
>> I still find it scary that people have written C programs that take
>> longer than 0.003 seconds to compile. How huge would they have to be?
>
> Oh, please.... The soft synth program I've been playing around with
> takes about 10-15min to compile. Our flagship CAD and engineering app
> where I work takes a good 30-45min to do a full build.

How huge is it? o_O

>> Also links to some interesting stuff about source control. I'm presuming
>> it's talking about the traditional, centralised kind, rather than the
>> new-fangled "distributed version control", where every repository is a
>> branch.
>
> The RCS he talks about is remarkably similar to how Accurev (the RCS we
> use) works. The only thing I think we're missing is the ability to run
> automated tasks when an item is checked in.

Well, you can script that from outside. (That is, you have a check-in 
tool that runs whatever tests you want, and then executes the actual RCS 
command to check stuff in.)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 07:02:02
Message: <4d6b8eba$1@news.povray.org>
> The idea of a computer having 8GB of RAM is strange and foreign to me.
> Much less a mere desktop PC.

I guess that's because you've never worked anywhere where they upgrade 
the hardware every 2 years :-)

BTW 8GB of RAM is about the same price as filling up your car with petrol!


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Coding at Microsoft
Date: 28 Feb 2011 07:17:48
Message: <4d6b926c@news.povray.org>
On 28/02/2011 12:02 PM, scott wrote:
> BTW 8GB of RAM is about the same price as filling up your car with petrol!

Gosh! You must have a big petrol tank. My 8 GB of DDR3 850 cost 260 GBP

-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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