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Anyone know something cheap, that actually works, can, maybe, recode
things a bit to make them fit, if needed, and won't bloody crash on me?
Made a DVD a while back from the clips for Colour of Magic (thanks
britain, I love not being able to just buy this stuff some place...).
Its 22 segments, for a total of about 3 hours. So far I have tried:
Nero Recode + Super - Super produces almost the same quality of video,
but I am short of space on my C drive (stupid choices made when setting
up the OS), and it doesn't let you set the temp folder any place but the
default C:/Windows/System/Temp... So, even if I go for a lower quality
copy, I can't translate it to VOB, so I can put it on the DVD.
Seemed to work, with each segment as a separate file (22 segments, for
about 3 hours), once recoded to fit, but I didn't try it in every
player, so when someone else borrowed it, it played on their computer,
but not their DVD player. Since Nero doesn't seem to bloody include
anything to a) combine them, b) burn more than one of the original mpgs
to DVD as VOB (assuming it even converts), or c) let you create any sort
of damn menu. Oh, and why the hell is the only frakking option in Nero
for creating things from other classes of files either "DATA", or
"VCD/Super VCD". They even have this listed under "create a DVD", or the
like, but the bloody thing a) doesn't list it as an option, and b) its
"make your own video", which lets you clip stuff together, won't produce
the same quality as the original (sigh..), and only saves to disk, not
to a DVD. It just drops you back to the menu, then lets you pick between
VCD/SuperVCD. If you don't same the video first, while in edit, after
editing, you can't even do that. Bad Nero! This is shitty design, and
confusing even to someone that has *some* clue what they are doing.
Tmpgenc - Can concatenate the original 1080p video into like 360p
(ugh..) Fails to play them, no matter settings used, in the updated
Windows Media Player, does in WMP Classic... See above for the result of
trying to use Super to convert to VOB (complete failure). According to
the site it comes from, I just wasted my money, because its encoder
sucks, tends to desync, and the "replacement" is like $100. :head desk:
DVDStyler - Had high hopes. Crashes at odd times. Failed when starting
to burn, without saying why exactly, then crashed again, when I tried to
remove some of the segments, and make 2 DVDs instead (on the chance that
was the problem). If they fixed the damn thing so it worked right,
warned you about some things, and didn't crash, this looks like it would
be a damn good one. That said...
Blaze Media Pro (test version) - Ate 90% of CPU time, took 6 hours, with
6 more to go, when I killed the process. O.o Slow much?
CopyToDVD - Don't remember, but it sucked too. Think it might have been
that it refused to support anything close to the original video
resolution, didn't include "cram to fit", and was almost as slow as
Blaze Media. I.e., shitty video, just like Tmpgenc.
Anyone know how the frak do you do this and have it not either drive you
nuts, take more time than a POVRay render with radiocity + IOR +
mirrors, maintain some semblance of video quality (hell, I would even go
for 720p at this point, if it bloody worked right, and the options to do
that where not just a list of sizes, and some option to pick aspect
ratio, I presume 720x576 16:9 is 720p???), and have the final result
*actually* play in things?
But, basically, so far, everything I have tried seems to suck at it.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 20-2-2011 19:26, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Anyone know something cheap, that actually works, can, maybe, recode
> things a bit to make them fit, if needed, and won't bloody crash on me?
>
> Made a DVD a while back from the clips for Colour of Magic (thanks
> britain, I love not being able to just buy this stuff some place...).
It is not an answer, but I bought it at amazon (.co.uk) and I am not
living in Britain (Great or otherwise). So I guess it is the NTSC that
is the problem... hmm .co.uk has offers an US import NTSC version, so it
is probably available in the US too... Yes, it is. Then the problem is
either patience or money ;)
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citizen per day.
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Its 22 segments, for a total of about 3 hours.
I don't think you're going to fit three hours onto one DVD. Why not use two
DVDs?
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"That was fatal?"
"He was holding a live grenade at the time."
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
> > Its 22 segments, for a total of about 3 hours.
> I don't think you're going to fit three hours onto one DVD.
I think it's possible (at least if it's a double-layered DVD), but the
image quality might be less than perfect.
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Le 20/02/2011 20:44, Darren New a écrit :
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Its 22 segments, for a total of about 3 hours.
>
> I don't think you're going to fit three hours onto one DVD. Why not use
> two DVDs?
>
>
Well, a full-rate DVD (10 Mbits/s) would last about 60 minutes on a 4.4
GB DVD(-/+)R(W).
3 hours means an average encoding at 3.2 Mbits/s which is still possible
if you do not take more than a stereo sound and no fast scene change
(with a Mpeg2 encoder good enough for P & B frames).
A DVD-DL would be about 8.5 GB and hold 114 minutes at full rate. 3
hours would be fine with an average at 6.5 Mbits/s, which is rather good.
Now the question can be: is it really needed to have a true DVD format ?
Or can it just be a storage DVD with mpeg4 on it ?
--
Software is like dirt - it costs time and money to change it and move it
around.
Just because you can't see it, it doesn't weigh anything,
and you can't drill a hole in it and stick a rivet into it doesn't mean
it's free.
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Le 20/02/2011 19:26, Patrick Elliott a écrit :
>
> Nero Recode + Super - Super produces almost the same quality of video,
> but I am short of space on my C drive (stupid choices made when setting
> up the OS), and it doesn't let you set the temp folder any place but the
> default C:/Windows/System/Temp... So, even if I go for a lower quality
> copy, I can't translate it to VOB, so I can put it on the DVD.
Have you checked the environment variables TMP & TEMP ?
(in the system & user profiles)
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On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 20-2-2011 19:26, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Anyone know something cheap, that actually works, can, maybe, recode
>> things a bit to make them fit, if needed, and won't bloody crash on me?
>>
>> Made a DVD a while back from the clips for Colour of Magic (thanks
>> britain, I love not being able to just buy this stuff some place...).
>
> It is not an answer, but I bought it at amazon (.co.uk) and I am not
> living in Britain (Great or otherwise). So I guess it is the NTSC that
> is the problem... hmm .co.uk has offers an US import NTSC version, so it
> is probably available in the US too... Yes, it is. Then the problem is
> either patience or money ;)
>
>
Hmm.. So, you can get it in the US, but the US site only shows Wyrd
Sisters and Soul Music (both animated).... Thanks. Was damned annoyed
that I couldn't find it.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 2/21/2011 1:43 AM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 20/02/2011 20:44, Darren New a écrit :
>> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>> Its 22 segments, for a total of about 3 hours.
>>
>> I don't think you're going to fit three hours onto one DVD. Why not use
>> two DVDs?
>>
>>
> Well, a full-rate DVD (10 Mbits/s) would last about 60 minutes on a 4.4
> GB DVD(-/+)R(W).
>
> 3 hours means an average encoding at 3.2 Mbits/s which is still possible
> if you do not take more than a stereo sound and no fast scene change
> (with a Mpeg2 encoder good enough for P& B frames).
>
> A DVD-DL would be about 8.5 GB and hold 114 minutes at full rate. 3
> hours would be fine with an average at 6.5 Mbits/s, which is rather good.
>
> Now the question can be: is it really needed to have a true DVD format ?
> Or can it just be a storage DVD with mpeg4 on it ?
>
>
Recoding is *supposed* to fix that, and did, except it then wouldn't
play on a DVD player. But, yeah, its a bit tight trying to fit that much
on a DVD. Need to look at splitting it where it was split already,
(think the originals where like two 1:30 shows), or just buy the damn
thing, now that I know where the hell to find it.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 2/21/2011 1:47 AM, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Le 20/02/2011 19:26, Patrick Elliott a écrit :
>>
>> Nero Recode + Super - Super produces almost the same quality of video,
>> but I am short of space on my C drive (stupid choices made when setting
>> up the OS), and it doesn't let you set the temp folder any place but the
>> default C:/Windows/System/Temp... So, even if I go for a lower quality
>> copy, I can't translate it to VOB, so I can put it on the DVD.
>
> Have you checked the environment variables TMP& TEMP ?
> (in the system& user profiles)
Hmm. There is a thought. I tried hunting the registry for where Super
handled it, but couldn't find anything. Didn't think about looking
there. What I really need to do is remake my whole system again, but I
despise having to reinstall things. Invariably end up forgetting about
something I use, but rarely, then having to figure out how to get it
installed again. lol
Still. Just bloody wish Nero wasn't so obtuse about DVDs, which is to
say you can recode shit from video, etc., to VCD or SuperVCD, but for
some frakking reason you can't do the same with DVD (that I could find).
Found one case, which I don't remember how to get back to, where you
could add in a video, but then it refused to add more than one video...
Nice burner, but the stuff missing from it some times is just hair pulling.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 21/02/2011 5:19 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Hmm.. So, you can get it in the US, but the US site only shows Wyrd
> Sisters and Soul Music (both animated).... Thanks. Was damned annoyed
> that I couldn't find it.
On Amazon.com I see it @ $7.93
http://www.amazon.com/Color-Magic-David-Jason/dp/B002436WFI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1298312882&sr=8-5
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Recoding is *supposed* to fix that, and did, except it then wouldn't
> play on a DVD player.
That's part of the problem. Not all DVD players handle all different
encoding rates, etc. You can encode things in the right standard format, but
if you go outside the parameters that are required of DVD players, some of
them might not work.
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"How did he die?" "He got shot in the hand."
"That was fatal?"
"He was holding a live grenade at the time."
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Invariably end up forgetting about
> something I use, but rarely, then having to figure out how to get it
> installed again. lol
I usually go through my start menu and my add/remove list and write
everything down, making sure i have the install media for each before I wipe
anything out.
Plus, I keep copies of the install media for everything I've bought on a
particular partition on a removable disk, so I don't have to go hunting. :-)
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"How did he die?" "He got shot in the hand."
"That was fatal?"
"He was holding a live grenade at the time."
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On 21-2-2011 19:30, Stephen wrote:
> On 21/02/2011 5:19 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Hmm.. So, you can get it in the US, but the US site only shows Wyrd
>> Sisters and Soul Music (both animated).... Thanks. Was damned annoyed
>> that I couldn't find it.
>
> On Amazon.com I see it @ $7.93
>
http://www.amazon.com/Color-Magic-David-Jason/dp/B002436WFI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1298312882&sr=8-5
>
If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that tell us
about Amazon?
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On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
> If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that tell us
> about Amazon?
I don't know, enlighten me.
BTW If Patrick wants it bought from here I'm willing to do it. I suppose
it can be delivered to him. I know it can if he opens a wish list.
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Stephen <mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
> On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
> > If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that tell us
> > about Amazon?
> I don't know, enlighten me.
It's a pretty long river.
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On 21/02/2011 9:10 PM, Warp wrote:
> It's a pretty long river.
To be sure!
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On 21-2-2011 22:10, Warp wrote:
> Stephen<mcavoys_at@aoldotcom> wrote:
>> On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
>>> If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that tell us
>>> about Amazon?
>
>> I don't know, enlighten me.
>
> It's a pretty long river.
>
And a water that I intend to meet again soon.
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On 21-2-2011 21:19, Stephen wrote:
> On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
>> If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that tell us
>> about Amazon?
>
> I don't know, enlighten me.
In that case it looks like Amazon is filtering results based on IP
number. In this case apparently to prevent US citizens to obtain highly
subversive material.
> BTW If Patrick wants it bought from here I'm willing to do it. I suppose
> it can be delivered to him. I know it can if he opens a wish list.
I was thinking the same. Yet, it would be silly to be forced to buy from
Europe something in the US to be delivered to a US mailbox. There must
be a less roundabout way.
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andrel wrote:
> On 21-2-2011 21:19, Stephen wrote:
>> On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
>>> If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that tell us
>>> about Amazon?
>>
>> I don't know, enlighten me.
>
> In that case it looks like Amazon is filtering results based on IP
> number. In this case apparently to prevent US citizens to obtain highly
> subversive material.
The link works fine for me.
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"That was fatal?"
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> writes:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Its 22 segments, for a total of about 3 hours.
>
> I don't think you're going to fit three hours onto one DVD. Why not use
> two DVDs?
Sure he can. I've got plenty of 4.x GB DVD's with over 3 hours of
video.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> writes:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Recoding is *supposed* to fix that, and did, except it then wouldn't
>> play on a DVD player.
>
> That's part of the problem. Not all DVD players handle all different
> encoding rates, etc. You can encode things in the right standard format,
> but if you go outside the parameters that are required of DVD players,
> some of them might not work.
Oh, I see your point.
Perhaps. None of the DVDs I've created that have over 3 hours of video
have failed to work on any DVD player I or someone else has tried them
in, though.
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On 21-2-2011 23:34, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 21-2-2011 21:19, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
>>>> If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that tell us
>>>> about Amazon?
>>>
>>> I don't know, enlighten me.
>>
>> In that case it looks like Amazon is filtering results based on IP
>> number. In this case apparently to prevent US citizens to obtain
>> highly subversive material.
>
> The link works fine for me.
good to hear (assuming you can also 'find' it, as that was what Patrick
claimed to be the problem). So it might not be subversive afterall.
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On 2/21/2011 11:30 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 21/02/2011 5:19 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Hmm.. So, you can get it in the US, but the US site only shows Wyrd
>> Sisters and Soul Music (both animated).... Thanks. Was damned annoyed
>> that I couldn't find it.
>
> On Amazon.com I see it @ $7.93
>
http://www.amazon.com/Color-Magic-David-Jason/dp/B002436WFI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1298312882&sr=8-5
>
Wasn't seeing it before, but then I think I was looking for a different
one at the time. Seems they *don't* have Going Postal, though a movie by
the same name is misclassified in search when trying to find that, nor
is Guards! Guards!, both of which you can find Youtube trailers for, and
the former of which is included in the "collection" listed prominently
at the top of the UK list of shows. Frakking region coding. WTF is the
US entirely separate in the DVD classifications (except maybe Canada),
and lumped in with like Japan and China, rather than Europe, when
looking at BluRay? Bloody stupid if you ask me. Sigh...
Well, at least I can get some of them. Though, somehow being able to
watch BluRay region A/1 versions of Japanese porn, with all the actual
stuff happening blurred out, somehow doesn't *quite* seem to make up for
not being able to get British TV and movies, especially since some of
the more interesting (in being bizarre, if still blurred) stuff they do
on TV in Japan is *banned* due to what people are asked to do on some of
the shows. lol
But, yeah. Definitely not real happy that I either need a chipped
player, or wait around for someone to license the stuff here, to get 99%
of it.
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If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 2/21/2011 4:01 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 21-2-2011 23:34, Darren New wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>> On 21-2-2011 21:19, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
>>>>> If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that
>>>>> tell us
>>>>> about Amazon?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, enlighten me.
>>>
>>> In that case it looks like Amazon is filtering results based on IP
>>> number. In this case apparently to prevent US citizens to obtain
>>> highly subversive material.
>>
>> The link works fine for me.
>
> good to hear (assuming you can also 'find' it, as that was what Patrick
> claimed to be the problem). So it might not be subversive afterall.
>
Snort. As I said, I wasn't specifically looking for that one, at the
time, and if I was... I may have been looking through some other method,
like Pratchett, instead of Discworld. Hell, Amazon has "Going Postal"
listed in his movies, and its not even the one based on *his* book, but
some other one that just happens to share the name. Biggest issue with
search engines, no matter whose, is sometimes the apparently obvious
request sends you to the far corners of nowhere, or worse. lol
In any case, I originally found some of the stuff via Youtube, and
thought, "Hmm. Didn't see that the last time I looked for some of them,
but maybe I could get it free this way." Turned out that it was also the
*only* complete one on Youtube, other than the two animated ones. You
can just figure I didn't look too hard. In my experience finding
*anything* that isn't from the US is like throwing a dart, blindfolded,
while someone moves the dart board, in another room, and trying to bank
the shot off a door that is swinging open and closed. You might get
lucky, or you might find that everything from the direction you are
facing, to the position of the door, to the fact that the guy holding
the board set it down to take a lunch break, all conspire to refuse you. ;)
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If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 2/21/2011 12:00 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Invariably end up forgetting about something I use, but rarely, then
>> having to figure out how to get it installed again. lol
>
> I usually go through my start menu and my add/remove list and write
> everything down, making sure i have the install media for each before I
> wipe anything out.
>
> Plus, I keep copies of the install media for everything I've bought on a
> particular partition on a removable disk, so I don't have to go hunting.
> :-)
>
Yeah. All well in theory, but a lot of stuff is downloads, others are
from discs that I may not know the location of, and still others are
just cases where a reconfigured things six ways to Sunday, and getting
them back up in that state is a pain in the ass. How hard would it have
really been to track which changes a specific application made to the
registry, then let you "migrate" the damn things by processing out the
registry data for it. But, you know.. that would require them having a
clue themselves how the thing worked. lol
Still Definitely need to do something, fairly soon. Got at least two
games so far, one that won't even start, and the other than runs like
hell, and that both are horrid ports of the console version is less an
issue than that I know I would be better off if I actually *had* more
than one core, more memory, and wasn't tacking on external drives to
make up for how much room I don't have on the main one. :p
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> nor is Guards! Guards!, both of which you can find Youtube trailers for,
Just FYI, finding a trailer on YouTube for a movie doesn't mean the movie
was ever made or even planned. It just means someone felt like making a
trailer for a movie they'd like to see.
The tailer for Batman vs Predator was pretty good too, but I don't expect to
ever see a full-length movie.
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"That was fatal?"
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Yeah. All well in theory, but a lot of stuff is downloads, others are
> from discs that I may not know the location of,
Sure. I'm just saying that when I install crap, one of the install steps is
"store this on the "S:\Software" drive along with a text file saying any
particular pain I had in installing it." It's advice for next time, not
this time. :-)
> How hard would it have
> really been to track which changes a specific application made to the
> registry, then let you "migrate" the damn things by processing out the
> registry data for it.
The problem with third-party apps is ensuring they only write to the areas
they're supposed to write to. It would be pretty trivial if you could count
on apps only storing stuff in the parts of the file system and registry
where they're supposed to.
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"How did he die?" "He got shot in the hand."
"That was fatal?"
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On 22-2-2011 3:51, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> On 2/21/2011 4:01 PM, andrel wrote:
>> On 21-2-2011 23:34, Darren New wrote:
>>> andrel wrote:
>>>> On 21-2-2011 21:19, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 21/02/2011 7:34 PM, andrel wrote:
>>>>>> If you can see that and I can, but Patrick can't what does that
>>>>>> tell us
>>>>>> about Amazon?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know, enlighten me.
>>>>
>>>> In that case it looks like Amazon is filtering results based on IP
>>>> number. In this case apparently to prevent US citizens to obtain
>>>> highly subversive material.
>>>
>>> The link works fine for me.
>>
>> good to hear (assuming you can also 'find' it, as that was what Patrick
>> claimed to be the problem). So it might not be subversive afterall.
>>
> Snort. As I said, I wasn't specifically looking for that one, at the
> time, and if I was... I may have been looking through some other method,
> like Pratchett, instead of Discworld. Hell, Amazon has "Going Postal"
> listed in his movies, and its not even the one based on *his* book, but
> some other one that just happens to share the name. Biggest issue with
> search engines, no matter whose, is sometimes the apparently obvious
> request sends you to the far corners of nowhere, or worse. lol
Wasn't it Gilles that once remarked that you should always look for
Parus major and Equus africanus by their latin names?
Anyway this changes the whole thread IMO
> In any case, I originally found some of the stuff via Youtube, and
> thought, "Hmm. Didn't see that the last time I looked for some of them,
> but maybe I could get it free this way."
See why I think it changed? I am surprised the whole movie is on
youtube, and even more surprised that someone in this newsgroup decides
to download it even if it can easily be bought.
> Turned out that it was also the
> *only* complete one on Youtube, other than the two animated ones. You
> can just figure I didn't look too hard.
yes, I figure you didn't. ;)
> In my experience finding
> *anything* that isn't from the US is like throwing a dart, blindfolded,
> while someone moves the dart board, in another room, and trying to bank
> the shot off a door that is swinging open and closed. You might get
> lucky, or you might find that everything from the direction you are
> facing, to the position of the door, to the fact that the guy holding
> the board set it down to take a lunch break, all conspire to refuse you. ;)
Nice hyperbole but I don't think the nationality of the maker has
anything to do with how easily you can find it. If it is not from the US
the exposure in the US in other media will in general (but not e.g.
Harry Potter) be lower and you may not know about it's existence, but it
shouldn't influence results too much.
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On 2/22/2011 1:04 AM, andrel wrote:
>> In my experience finding
>> *anything* that isn't from the US is like throwing a dart, blindfolded,
>> while someone moves the dart board, in another room, and trying to bank
>> the shot off a door that is swinging open and closed. You might get
>> lucky, or you might find that everything from the direction you are
>> facing, to the position of the door, to the fact that the guy holding
>> the board set it down to take a lunch break, all conspire to refuse
>> you. ;)
>
> Nice hyperbole but I don't think the nationality of the maker has
> anything to do with how easily you can find it. If it is not from the US
> the exposure in the US in other media will in general (but not e.g.
> Harry Potter) be lower and you may not know about it's existence, but it
> shouldn't influence results too much.
>
This was in reference to search in general *not* to searching for
something from another country. If you don't have the exact search
right, often what you end up with is a disaster. Had that issue looking
for books for my mother's Kindle for her. Last name got it, usually, but
sometimes listed like 495 books. The title, not so much, the first *and*
last name... don't bet on it always working, if at all. Drives me nuts
how bad search can be a lot of the time.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 2/21/2011 8:11 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> nor is Guards! Guards!, both of which you can find Youtube trailers for,
>
> Just FYI, finding a trailer on YouTube for a movie doesn't mean the
> movie was ever made or even planned. It just means someone felt like
> making a trailer for a movie they'd like to see.
>
> The tailer for Batman vs Predator was pretty good too, but I don't
> expect to ever see a full-length movie.
>
In this case, I tend to suspect they "do" exist. Some of them mention
they planned, but hadn't yet made them, but that was true of Going
Postal, yet, it seems to have actually been made, since you can buy it,
at least over there. Now, something like Batman Vs. Predator.. I would
suspect not happening anyway, no matter how good it looked.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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On 2/21/2011 8:13 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Yeah. All well in theory, but a lot of stuff is downloads, others are
>> from discs that I may not know the location of,
>
> Sure. I'm just saying that when I install crap, one of the install steps
> is "store this on the "S:\Software" drive along with a text file saying
> any particular pain I had in installing it." It's advice for next time,
> not this time. :-)
>
>> How hard would it have really been to track which changes a specific
>> application made to the registry, then let you "migrate" the damn
>> things by processing out the registry data for it.
>
> The problem with third-party apps is ensuring they only write to the
> areas they're supposed to write to. It would be pretty trivial if you
> could count on apps only storing stuff in the parts of the file system
> and registry where they're supposed to.
>
Well, that is true, but they built this mess, and then didn't even
consider that an audit log of some sort might be *vaguely* helpful. Just
saying...
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Well, that is true, but they built this mess, and then didn't even
> consider that an audit log of some sort might be *vaguely* helpful. Just
> saying...
There *is* an audit log. However, given all possible third-party apps,
saying "just move the registry entries" doesn't work. If you go from
\documents and settings\... to \users\... all your registry entries will be
wrong.
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"That was fatal?"
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On 23-2-2011 4:16, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> On 2/22/2011 1:04 AM, andrel wrote:
>>> In my experience finding
>>> *anything* that isn't from the US is like throwing a dart, blindfolded,
>>> while someone moves the dart board, in another room, and trying to bank
>>> the shot off a door that is swinging open and closed. You might get
>>> lucky, or you might find that everything from the direction you are
>>> facing, to the position of the door, to the fact that the guy holding
>>> the board set it down to take a lunch break, all conspire to refuse
>>> you. ;)
>>
>> Nice hyperbole but I don't think the nationality of the maker has
>> anything to do with how easily you can find it. If it is not from the US
>> the exposure in the US in other media will in general (but not e.g.
>> Harry Potter) be lower and you may not know about it's existence, but it
>> shouldn't influence results too much.
>>
> This was in reference to search in general *not* to searching for
> something from another country. If you don't have the exact search
> right, often what you end up with is a disaster. Had that issue looking
> for books for my mother's Kindle for her. Last name got it, usually, but
> sometimes listed like 495 books. The title, not so much, the first *and*
> last name... don't bet on it always working, if at all. Drives me nuts
> how bad search can be a lot of the time.
>
It is one of those skills, aka black arts.
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On 2/23/2011 9:50 AM, Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Well, that is true, but they built this mess, and then didn't even
>> consider that an audit log of some sort might be *vaguely* helpful.
>> Just saying...
>
> There *is* an audit log. However, given all possible third-party apps,
> saying "just move the registry entries" doesn't work. If you go from
> \documents and settings\... to \users\... all your registry entries will
> be wrong.
>
Hmm. To an extent, yeah. But something that could use the audit log of
what got changed, by who, means you could move files like that and
"point" the directory at the right place, at least in principle. Once in
a while you get something that won't play right, but, in general, this
isn't an issue. What bugs me is that even when you *have* the option to
move such things, three things happen:
1. The pointer gets moved.
2. The files don't (gee.. you would think this *might* cause some sort
of issue, maybe?).
3. Some small number of applications will use their registry entry for
where those where, instead of asking the system where they should be now.
These are fixible. My point is, if you know where the damn files where
supposed to be, according to the assumption of the application, and its
changable, you should be able to have that change go through by doing 2
and 3 properly at the same time, since you know there are files in there
the damn thing wrote, and you *also* know while applications are looking
in their *for* those files (at least in principle).
Yeah, you might break something some place, like an app that looks into
someone else's data, which you put in there, but is now looking in the
wrong place, or some cases where more than one is sharing a common
folder, but in that later case, you should know, from any sort of audit
log, which of those files *it* created, so would need to have moved.
Point is, this monolithic mess pretty much precludes any sort of easy
reinstall of *anything*, since any reinstall you make, unless the thing
being altered is *purely* data, not configuration, or other things you
need to work when moved, you are hosed. Got a MySQL thing on here I
don't even want to contemplate installing to a new machine. Not because
I doubt its hard, just likely to be more complicated than it first
seems, precisely *because* its frakking Windows that the thing is
installed on, and that just really makes things way more interesting
when do this stuff. lol
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> you should know, from any sort of audit
> log, which of those files *it* created, so would need to have moved.
Not really. If a program invokes BITS (or wget) to download files it needs,
it's not going to get audited. If it creates an index file, then later fills
the index with the names of files you created, that's not going to get
copied properly. If you use the SQL server engine to create a database for
your document indexer, is that the SQL server or the document indexer
creating that file?
> Point is, this monolithic mess pretty much precludes any sort of easy
> reinstall of *anything*, since any reinstall you make, unless the thing
> being altered is *purely* data, not configuration, or other things you
> need to work when moved, you are hosed.
You're oversimplifying. And it's certainly not easy to come up with a
standard way of moving such things.
> Got a MySQL thing on here I
> don't even want to contemplate installing to a new machine. Not because
> I doubt its hard, just likely to be more complicated than it first
> seems, precisely *because* its frakking Windows that the thing is
> installed on, and that just really makes things way more interesting
> when do this stuff. lol
Except MySql is originally UNIX code. It's just as hard to move the
installation of something complex in UNIX as is it in Windows. If everyone
follows the rules about where to put things, it's *easier* to move it under
Windows than under UNIX, since there's actually specific places reserved for
various kinds of internal data that come with a program in Windows, while
there's no good standard on (for example) how to name a dot-file in the home
directory or a config file in /etc to define what program it's configuring.
Trust me: Moving a MySql installation actually requires you to know where
all the configuration information for MySql is stored and how on Linux as
well as Windows. :-) If a program goes outside of where it's supposed to be
storing configuration information, it's no easier to find it in Linux than
in Windows. (Altho the Singularity OS from Microsoft is actually making
good strides towards fixing this, since permissions are based not only on
users but on programs as well.)
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"That was fatal?"
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On 2/23/2011 1:57 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> you should know, from any sort of audit log, which of those files *it*
>> created, so would need to have moved.
>
> Not really. If a program invokes BITS (or wget) to download files it
> needs, it's not going to get audited. If it creates an index file, then
> later fills the index with the names of files you created, that's not
> going to get copied properly. If you use the SQL server engine to create
> a database for your document indexer, is that the SQL server or the
> document indexer creating that file?
>
Umm.
In the first case, you adjust BITS, or wget, so it logs the audit with
which application asked it to install the stuff, or something. This
isn't impossible, its just lazy, and has been for so long that the
problem has grown out of proportion to any relatively minor issues that
might have cropped up as a result of trying to do it right in the first
place.
In the second case, SQL, since your application should only care how to
talk to, and maybe where, the SQL is not where the documents end up.
But, yeah, it can get complex.
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> In the first case, you adjust BITS, or wget, so it logs the audit with
> which application asked it to install the stuff, or something.
If you distinguish "install" from "write files", it's easier, yes. OK, so
firefox downloads and installs Adobe, which includes a plug-in for firefox.
Then you uninstall firefox. What happens? :-)
> In the second case, SQL, since your application should only care how to
> talk to, and maybe where, the SQL is not where the documents end up.
My point is that you wind up having to copy specific records out of a SQL
database when you move the files those records refer to, etc.
Singularity addresses this problem. You have clear distinctions between
executable code and data files and configuration files. You can't install
executable code without it being in a manifest, which gets checked when you
install it to make sure it's compatible with everything else. The
application doesn't get handles to any part of the file system it didn't ask
for in the manifest, so it can't spew config files in odd places. Etc etc
etc. The only problem is you have to throw out all that code you already have.
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"That was fatal?"
"He was holding a live grenade at the time."
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