On 10/02/2011 04:50 PM, Invisible wrote:

> You're obviously drastically richer than almost everybody I've ever met
> in my life then. :-P

Actually, as coincidence would have it, I recently had another one of 
those questionnaires from my university. They ask you all kinds of 
stuff. (I don't think I'll be putting anything in the "success stories" 
section. :-P ) One of the things they ask is how much you're earning.

It still amuses me that 6 months after graduating, I got this 
questionnaire, and there's a box for "more than £300,000/year". Let's 
think about this. How many graduates earn that kind of cash less than a 
year after graduating? :-P (Obviously it's simply a standard form that 
they send to everybody...)

The other interesting thing is that although there's about half a dozen 
boxes, there's only one single box for "less than £25,000/year". That's 
all one option; they don't even bother to split it out further - despite 
the fact that this is presumably the option that the majority of people 
will pick. (People who are temping while they look for the first "real" 
job, etc.)

I can't remember what the other categories are off the top of my head.

Then again, I suppose it depends on what they want the data *for*...

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On 11/02/2011 11:56 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> It is your job. Your employers sound as if they are running the UK side
>>>> of your company like an outsourced third world project.
>>>
>>> No no, they run the *entire* company like this.
>>
>> Get out before you are a statistic.
>
> No kidding...
>

The good folks here are not trying to put you down but are trying to 
help you. It can be frustrating at times when you display such a small 
town attitude but for your situation to change you will have to get out 
of your comfort zone and start to trust yourself.

>> Of course there are lots of poorly paid people. That does not meen that
>> you have to be one of them.
>
> Sure. That wasn't my point.
>

But it was mine.
*Your* sights are set too low if you think £1000 is out of you reach.

>>
>> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.
>
> Ah well, say "la V".

No! I said "goodbye".

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Regards
     Stephen

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On 11/02/2011 11:51 AM, Invisible wrote:

>
> By that analysis, I don't know *anybody* with "a decent job".

Shame on you.

> (Or perhaps I just don't go around measuring everybody...)
>

A commendable attitude if you want to continue the way you are.



>
> Ah, Jobserve. If only these jobs actually existed. I loose track of how
> many of them I've applied for. :-/
>

You should keep track of them. Before I hit my current run of employment 
I had a database of all the jobs I had applied for.


> Damn. I had no idea I was in the company of such giants! o_O

You weren't in the company of anyone better than yourself. It is just 
some people take the opportunities available.

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Regards
     Stephen

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 11/02/2011 10:41 AM, Bill Pragnell wrote:
>
> > And you don't even need to go that far. Double your salary, and you've probably
> > got at least 4x as much disposable income.
>
> That's an interesting statistic. I like that.

Well, it's only a very rough guess based on my situation. It will vary wildly
depending on your actual income and outgoings :)

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>>> Get out before you are a statistic.
>>
>> No kidding...
>
> The good folks here are not trying to put you down but are trying to
> help you. It can be frustrating at times when you display such a small
> town attitude but for your situation to change you will have to get out
> of your comfort zone and start to trust yourself.

I'm not sure what you mean by "small town attitude", but anyway... It's 
a well-known fact that I'm under-paid, and that I have had exactly no 
success trying to get hired by anybody else. We've had this debate.

Actually, I was having this conversation with my girlfriend just the 
other day. Perhaps with her assistance I can get somewhere. (Let's face 
it, she's had more jobs that I've had hot dinners...)

>> Sure. That wasn't my point.
>
> But it was mine.
> *Your* sights are set too low if you think £1000 is out of you reach.

I *know* that £1k is out of my reach today. There's no thinking about 
it. ;-) What will be in reach if I ever get a real job... well, I 
wouldn't know.

>>> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.
>>
>> Ah well, say "la V".
>
> No! I said "goodbye".

Win.

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> (It's not a lot of money, but there must be lots of other people doing
> unskilled temp work too, which is presumably why it's the 30th and not
> the 3rd.)

There's a sheet for only full-time workers, which is probably more what 
you're looking for.

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On 11/02/2011 12:47 PM, scott wrote:
>> (It's not a lot of money, but there must be lots of other people doing
>> unskilled temp work too, which is presumably why it's the 30th and not
>> the 3rd.)
>
> There's a sheet for only full-time workers, which is probably more what
> you're looking for.

I'm loving how there's about a 50% difference in the average figures for 
men and women. Nothing sexist about that at all! ;-)

If you look at the male/full time stats, then the mean becomes a 

is now about the 60th percentile (rather than 75th or so). And, 
amusingly [or not?], my wage drops to around the 10th percentile...

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On 11/02/2011 12:30 PM, Invisible wrote:

> I'm not sure what you mean by "small town attitude", but anyway...

With luck, it'll will change. :-)

>
> Actually, I was having this conversation with my girlfriend just the
> other day. Perhaps with her assistance I can get somewhere. (Let's face
> it, she's had more jobs that I've had hot dinners...)
>

That sounds good, very good.

>>> Sure. That wasn't my point.
>>
>> But it was mine.
>> *Your* sights are set too low if you think £1000 is out of you reach.
>
> I *know* that £1k is out of my reach today. There's no thinking about
> it. ;-) What will be in reach if I ever get a real job... well, I
> wouldn't know.
>

But you will. Things change.
Do you remember one of our first conversations where I thought that you 
were gay because you said that you would never have a girlfriend?

>>>> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.
>>>
>>> Ah well, say "la V".
>>
>> No! I said "goodbye".
>
> Win.

It sounds good but I was full of doubts changing jobs where I had to 
take a bus 17 miles to Glasgow then 10 miles to East Kilbride.

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Regards
     Stephen

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On 11/02/2011 10:43 AM, scott wrote:
>> According to Wolfram, my employer lost almost 1 million USD last
>> financial year. Consequently, there is a spending freeze on *everything*.
>
> Don't worry, my employer lost 53 million USD last year :-)

Down the back of the sofa?

Seriously, that's a crapload of money. I've always wondered how you can 
lose that much money and not be shut down...

(Apparently *a lot* of companies lose millions of dollars and yet 
continue trading. But I have no idea how that's possible.)

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>> Don't worry, my employer lost 53 million USD last year :-)
>
> Down the back of the sofa?

I assume because not as many people bought stuff as they anticipated.

> Seriously, that's a crapload of money.

But you need to compare it to the revenue and value of the company.  A 
company that loses $50m but is only worth $150m is in trouble, but one 
worth $30000m probably doesn't need to worry about losing $50m in a bad 
year.

 > I've always wondered how you can
> lose that much money and not be shut down...

Because the shareholders believe you have a plan to make profit at some 
point...

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