>> What we're
>> debating is how many people earn such an insane amount of money that
>> thousands of pounds is nothing to them.
>
> Interesting how you see it. I thought that it was about how a few
> thousand pounds was not out of the price range of someone with a decent
> job.

By that analysis, I don't know *anybody* with "a decent job". (Or 
perhaps I just don't go around measuring everybody...)




Ah, Jobserve. If only these jobs actually existed. I loose track of how 
many of them I've applied for. :-/

>>> I can say, quite categorically, that you have met and had a drink with
>>> at least three people in that bracket.
>>
>> Really? How do you compute that?
>
> I remember meeting you along with Dr John and Steve. I won't speak for
> John but I know his what his job is and can guess what he earns,
> roughly. Steve's workshop had a turnover of 2.5 million pounds per year
> before he died. So even at 4% commission that put him in the six figure
> bracket. As for me, I'm an independent functional consultant for SAP.

Damn. I had no idea I was in the company of such giants! o_O

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>>> Perhaps for Time-Warner it isn't. For my local newspaper that employs
>>> maybe 20 people, it probably is.
>>
>> Do you have any idea how much it costs to employ 20 people?
>
> Given what it must cost to employ 20 people, and the pitiful amount of
> money the local newspaper presumably makes, I would imagine every last
> penny counts, yes.

Maybe it's news to you, but not every company makes negative or near 
zero profit.  Besides, you didn't answer my question, if you had 
correctly answered it you'd realise how tiny a one-off $1000 payment is 
compared to the other amounts dealt with when running a company of 20 
people.

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> By that analysis, I don't know *anybody* with "a decent job". (Or
> perhaps I just don't go around measuring everybody...)

FYI, results of the 2010 salary survey, with percentiles:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/ASHE-2010/tab1-7a.xls

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>>> It is your job. Your employers sound as if they are running the UK side
>>> of your company like an outsourced third world project.
>>
>> No no, they run the *entire* company like this.
>
> Get out before you are a statistic.

No kidding...

> Of course there are lots of poorly paid people. That does not meen that
> you have to be one of them.

Sure. That wasn't my point.

>>> The management of the company (Burroughs
>>> Corporation) knew that using inferior equipment would hamper the
>>> workforce in producing quality goods.
>>
>> Hah. Would that more companies thought this way...
>
> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.

Ah well, say "la V".

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On 11/02/2011 11:53 AM, scott wrote:
>>>> Perhaps for Time-Warner it isn't. For my local newspaper that employs
>>>> maybe 20 people, it probably is.
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea how much it costs to employ 20 people?
>>
>> Given what it must cost to employ 20 people, and the pitiful amount of
>> money the local newspaper presumably makes, I would imagine every last
>> penny counts, yes.
>
> Maybe it's news to you, but not every company makes negative or near
> zero profit.

For sure. But I would expect the local newspaper to be one of the ones 
that does have tiny profit margins.

> Besides, you didn't answer my question, if you had
> correctly answered it you'd realise how tiny a one-off $1000 payment is
> compared to the other amounts dealt with when running a company of 20
> people.

Well, when you put it that way, I guess it *is* only a one-off cost...

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On 11/02/2011 11:56 AM, scott wrote:
>> By that analysis, I don't know *anybody* with "a decent job".
>
> FYI, results of the 2010 salary survey, with percentiles:

Ooo, data. Interesting.

The (arithmetic?) mean and median are both around twenty-something, 

puts you in almost the 75th percentile. (I would have expected it to be 
much higher than that, actually.)

No surprises, but if you earn as little as me, you're in about the 30th 
percentile...

(It's not a lot of money, but there must be lots of other people doing 
unskilled temp work too, which is presumably why it's the 30th and not 
the 3rd.)

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On 10/02/2011 04:50 PM, Invisible wrote:

> You're obviously drastically richer than almost everybody I've ever met
> in my life then. :-P

Actually, as coincidence would have it, I recently had another one of 
those questionnaires from my university. They ask you all kinds of 
stuff. (I don't think I'll be putting anything in the "success stories" 
section. :-P ) One of the things they ask is how much you're earning.

It still amuses me that 6 months after graduating, I got this 
questionnaire, and there's a box for "more than £300,000/year". Let's 
think about this. How many graduates earn that kind of cash less than a 
year after graduating? :-P (Obviously it's simply a standard form that 
they send to everybody...)

The other interesting thing is that although there's about half a dozen 
boxes, there's only one single box for "less than £25,000/year". That's 
all one option; they don't even bother to split it out further - despite 
the fact that this is presumably the option that the majority of people 
will pick. (People who are temping while they look for the first "real" 
job, etc.)

I can't remember what the other categories are off the top of my head.

Then again, I suppose it depends on what they want the data *for*...

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On 11/02/2011 11:56 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> It is your job. Your employers sound as if they are running the UK side
>>>> of your company like an outsourced third world project.
>>>
>>> No no, they run the *entire* company like this.
>>
>> Get out before you are a statistic.
>
> No kidding...
>

The good folks here are not trying to put you down but are trying to 
help you. It can be frustrating at times when you display such a small 
town attitude but for your situation to change you will have to get out 
of your comfort zone and start to trust yourself.

>> Of course there are lots of poorly paid people. That does not meen that
>> you have to be one of them.
>
> Sure. That wasn't my point.
>

But it was mine.
*Your* sights are set too low if you think £1000 is out of you reach.

>>
>> Yes, but they were buggers to work for.
>
> Ah well, say "la V".

No! I said "goodbye".

-- 
Regards
     Stephen

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On 11/02/2011 11:51 AM, Invisible wrote:

>
> By that analysis, I don't know *anybody* with "a decent job".

Shame on you.

> (Or perhaps I just don't go around measuring everybody...)
>

A commendable attitude if you want to continue the way you are.



>
> Ah, Jobserve. If only these jobs actually existed. I loose track of how
> many of them I've applied for. :-/
>

You should keep track of them. Before I hit my current run of employment 
I had a database of all the jobs I had applied for.


> Damn. I had no idea I was in the company of such giants! o_O

You weren't in the company of anyone better than yourself. It is just 
some people take the opportunities available.

-- 
Regards
     Stephen

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> On 11/02/2011 10:41 AM, Bill Pragnell wrote:
>
> > And you don't even need to go that far. Double your salary, and you've probably
> > got at least 4x as much disposable income.
>
> That's an interesting statistic. I like that.

Well, it's only a very rough guess based on my situation. It will vary wildly
depending on your actual income and outgoings :)

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